I condemn Sacads exacting their vicious revenge, what Sacad has done to Mx is beyond brutal barbarism...

[Gubbet]

What Sacad did was a fate worst than death for
those poor women. Wallahi i personally will donate thousands to my reer ayeeyo for revenge. Wiilasha Cumar Dheer oo fara fuduud wala fasaxay. Its over, it will turn to an all out war now, never mess with MX women Wagardhac wa u dhimanaya waxaan…

And the killing of the pregnant ladies and fetuses earlier this week by our side?

War meeshaas masiibo ayaa ka socota. Intaan naqiin way dhaaftay.

This is no longer about land and politics.

This is central African Rwandan Genocide type barbarism.

Waxaan ku oran lahaa take a step back and do not allow yourself to become emotionally invested.

Wallahi balaayaa soo socoto and it will not be 1 event or 2 or 3 or a year or two or three.

The road between Wagardhac and Hawiye will become the road of misery.

[BigBreak]

Somalia is finished, yet there are idiots who still think Somaliland will reunite with this 4th world failed state?

[Kees70]

What Sacad did was a fate worst than death for
those poor women. Wallahi i personally will donate thousands to my reer ayeeyo for revenge. Wiilasha Cumar Dheer oo fara fuduud wala fasaxay. Its over, it will turn to an all out war now, never mess with MX women Wagardhac wa u dhimanaya waxaan…

I condemn both sides but don't act holier than thou, marexaan started this attacks on children and women of Sacad and knowing Sacads they took this attack on them personally and repaid it back tenfold to an whole new level of brutality and savagery on the marexaan.

I hope the brutal Sacad attack on marexaan will serve as an deterrence from future marexaan attacking again women and children.

If anyone starts attacking women and children, than don't cry when your own children and women are attacked, as simple as that.

[Gubbet]

What Sacad did was a fate worst than death for
those poor women. Wallahi i personally will donate thousands to my reer ayeeyo for revenge. Wiilasha Cumar Dheer oo fara fuduud wala fasaxay. Its over, it will turn to an all out war now, never mess with MX women Wagardhac wa u dhimanaya waxaan…

I condemn both sides but don't act holier than thou, marexaan started this attacks on children and women of Sacad and knowing Sacads they took this attack on them personally and repaid it back tenfold to an whole new level of brutality and savagery on the marexaan.

I hope the brutal Sacad attack on marexaan will serve as an deterrence from future marexaan attacking again women and children.

If anyone starts attacking women and children, than don't cry when your own children and women are attacked, as simple as that.

To my read, it seems as though you are celebrating. I don't imagine this will last very long, precisely because you do not understand what "deterrence" means.

Deterrence is really about "limitation" or practically about "means."

It is not about barbarism or doing horrible things to each other. The men that killed pregnant women and cut out the fetus are still in the other side. Do you think you can be more cruel or that whatever can be done by your side will shock them?

You haven't "deterred" those men. You have given them license to be more barbaric.

Sxb, deterrence is really about "limitations" of means. In other words when "nothing" that one has can forcefully impact a change in the other.

This would be amount or type of weapons. It can even be the amount and type of battle ready human resource.


When all of USC attacked Balanbale and even 300 of Balanbale's women took up arms and USC was defeated---that was deterrence. In a 1/1000 year chance of the type of Hawiye unity we saw in USC vs Balanbale, it meant Cayr should never attempt to go towards Balanbale themselves.

When Marehan Mudug invaded Xeraale and could not dislodge Dir, that was deterrence. You will never find another Marehan campaign with the military objective of uprooting the Dir who live with them.

These malacculturation happening between Sacad and Wagardhac is not about deterrence. It is not about war or politics or even land really anymore.

This is pure hate between these people.

With how long they have been fighting and how brutally even the events of the last decade, there is a new generation reaching adulthood who are even orphaned or family victims.

There are angry, violent, and vengeful young men among both Dhabad and Gelinsoor who are two sides of the same coin who will be bringing both clans down to sorrow in their vicious "gang" type of warfare.

This will be a headache I imagine in the next 6-9 years until both clans become resistant enough against the elements among them that they start "controlling" the excesses of their bad behavior.

We will see.

[grandpakhalif]

What Sacad did was a fate worst than death for
those poor women. Wallahi i personally will donate thousands to my reer ayeeyo for revenge. Wiilasha Cumar Dheer oo fara fuduud wala fasaxay. Its over, it will turn to an all out war now, never mess with MX women Wagardhac wa u dhimanaya waxaan…

And the killing of the pregnant ladies and fetuses earlier this week by our side?

War meeshaas masiibo ayaa ka socota. Intaan naqiin way dhaaftay.

This is no longer about land and politics.

This is central African Rwandan Genocide type barbarism.

Waxaan ku oran lahaa take a step back and do not allow yourself to become emotionally invested.

Wallahi balaayaa soo socoto and it will not be 1 event or 2 or 3 or a year or two or three.

The road between Wagardhac and Hawiye will become the road of misery.

Brother before that event many MX birmageeyo were attacked including Cayr killing a whole family in Garasle. Why are you seperating the two, it seems like both events are inter corelated. HG have had a “Kill Innocents” policy against MX for quite a few years now. Did you know a Wagardhac lady and her husband were killed near Galgalad prior to that attack in Mircawleed?

Wagardhac did not start this but felt compelled to go down to their level. I guarantee you Wagardhac will never forgive this, rape as a weapon is not in their cards but now Sacad has opened that very dangerous door. In fact I believe rape is worst than death.

[Gubbet]

So if you notice, before the pregnant ladies, there were two underage boys killed by our side prior to that;

I condemn in the strongest possible terms the killing of 2 HG youths allegedly by MX.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=408036

There was also a pregnant lady also killed prior to that.

Similarly the 3 Cayr that killed the Marehan herding family are all practically teenagers and they were prior victims;

-Bilal Ahmed Adan, 20, his older brother previously killed by MX
-Abdishakur Macalin, 23, his father Macalin Xayir previously killed by MX
-Abdi Hosh Jama, 21, his adopted uncle and family patriarch previously killed by MX

Rape is not worse than death. That's what men looking for license to vengeance say. It is not worse than family losing their two boys to dil wadareed, it is not worse than a family losing their pregnant wife, sister, mother and their unborn child to a dil wadareed.

Essentially, I am not at all excusing or engaging in whataboutism and you know from my covering of the Gelinsoor grazing issue just how strong my position has been---

---but I am telling you, probably BECAUSE I am not consumed in the detail and have been looking at the picture, that there is something "different" that has been manifesting itself in the last 6 months and as you can see from my post above---I have condemned our side's participation in bringing this to fruition so strongly and fundamentally that I cannot find myself in good conscious as purely "innocent" or the aggrieved party.

The clan is not innocent, the children and the ladies, both from our side AND the other side are the innocents. The Hawiye woman, the Marehan woman, the families be they Hawiye or Marehan, the children of the same---they are all innocent.

But my clan isn't innocent. And neither is the other clan.

And I believe until and unless both clans decide to extricate themselves from culpability by arresting THEIR OWN elements among them who have implicated this unprecedented inhumanity they will be racing to the bottom for quite some time.

When our side was implicated in the barbarism towards the pregnant mothers earlier this week, I washed my hands off of this.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=409494

I do not support and will not condone any of this from any side.

[Hulkujir]

They legit kidnapped young girls between the ages 10-14 who were with their goats, they stripped them naked and took them to a moriyaan den where the girls were brutally raped and beaten half dead.

Sacad started a new thing, I hope it doesn't become trend. very nasty disgusting.

[Kees70]

They legit kidnapped young girls between the ages 10-14 who were with their goats, they stripped them naked and took them to a moriyaan den where the girls were brutally raped and beaten half dead.

Sacad started a new thing, I hope it doesn't become trend. very nasty disgusting.

[Gubbet]

Chatter is saying Wagardhac is going to birth a "dhacdo ugub" ah or "unprecedented."

What happened and things I cannot even say---but implicated in "emasculation."

Somali way yaabi doontaa.

[Miles8]

Sacad is very emotional as usual but doesn't exclude them from wrongdoing as for MX they shouldn't have targetted these women which has triggered an emotional Sacad but nonetheless overexaggerated reactions should be condemned. I think both sides should talk things thru and don't put innocent at harms way.. They should either fight it out or sit it thru in dialogue but don't include the innocents

[Gubbet]

Do you know why women and children were targeted? Because more sadistic minds than the rest saw it as a "shortcut" to a long goal---completely pushing Hawiye back across the north/south highway. If the men just fight and the Hawiye families keep herding west towards MX grazing, they thought it would be dusting sand against the wind. In other words, you swipe away and the wind sends more towards you.

The targeting of the families drastically reduced heading west but since this event, every single Hawiye has left west of the road. In Caabudwaaq they are saying all the Hawiye mothers even have fled to their kin fearing reprisal. One Wagardhac militia leader infamous in the Dacdheer fights laughed "if all it took is 'dhawr gabdho la fuulay' to finally have them east of the highway, maybe we need 'different' kind of war."

Earlier I said to Kees this isn't deterrence, but I was wrong. This is "conditioning" implicating 'deterrence.' It has been seen how Hawiye have reacted to the fear of reprisal for what they have done---so now Wagardhac is being "conditioned" to adopt IT as "deterrence." There will be rape to out rape, sexual violence to out sexual violence. Women, girls, boys---elderly men. No Hawiye will be caught dead west of the highway and no Wagardhac east of the highway. That is essentially the MX side political AND security objective---conversely it is what Hawiye has been fighting against. How ironic wallahi.

[Miles8]

Do you know why women and children were targeted? Because more sadistic minds than the rest saw it as a "shortcut" to a long goal---completely pushing Hawiye back across the north/south highway. If the men just fight and the Hawiye families keep herding west towards MX grazing, they thought it would be dusting sand against the wind. In other words, you swipe away and the wind sends more towards you.

The targeting of the families drastically reduced heading west but since this event, every single Hawiye has left west of the road. In Caabudwaaq they are saying all the Hawiye mothers even have fled to their kin fearing reprisal. One Wagardhac militia leader infamous in the Dacdheer fights laughed "if all it took is 'dhawr gabdho la fuulay' to finally have them east of the highway, maybe we need 'different' kind of war."

Earlier I said to Kees this isn't deterrence, but I was wrong. This is "conditioning" implicating 'deterrence.' It has been seen how Hawiye have reacted to the fear of reprisal for what they have done---so now Wagardhac is being "conditioned" to adopt IT as "deterrence." There will be rape to out rape, sexual violence to out sexual violence. Women, girls, boys---elderly men. No Hawiye will be caught dead west of the highway and no Wagardhac east of the highway. That is essentially the MX side political AND security objective---conversely it is what Hawiye has been fighting against. How ironic wallahi.

Why you keep saying Hawiye first of all this is Sacad and besides they aren't on the other side of the road. They settle both sides of the road just because major cities are on the road doesn't mean they aren't on the other side of the road.

They either fight thru to the last man or sit down there is nothing in between but targetting innocents is nonsense which was initiated by MX they should shoulder the responsibility.. Also don't you think Mx come frequently to the major cities on the road and back again it is open country both ways for people to move around.. There is nothing called space of limitions.. HG have families in Balanbale, Cabuudwaaq and vice versa.

The only place Sacad or HG don't settle is your cities closer to the border but they settle on both sides of the road

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Do you know why women and children were targeted? Because more sadistic minds than the rest saw it as a "shortcut" to a long goal---completely pushing Hawiye back across the north/south highway. If the men just fight and the Hawiye families keep herding west towards MX grazing, they thought it would be dusting sand against the wind. In other words, you swipe away and the wind sends more towards you.

The targeting of the families drastically reduced heading west but since this event, every single Hawiye has left west of the road. In Caabudwaaq they are saying all the Hawiye mothers even have fled to their kin fearing reprisal. One Wagardhac militia leader infamous in the Dacdheer fights laughed "if all it took is 'dhawr gabdho la fuulay' to finally have them east of the highway, maybe we need 'different' kind of war."

Earlier I said to Kees this isn't deterrence, but I was wrong. This is "conditioning" implicating 'deterrence.' It has been seen how Hawiye have reacted to the fear of reprisal for what they have done---so now Wagardhac is being "conditioned" to adopt IT as "deterrence." There will be rape to out rape, sexual violence to out sexual violence. Women, girls, boys---elderly men. No Hawiye will be caught dead west of the highway and no Wagardhac east of the highway. That is essentially the MX side political AND security objective---conversely it is what Hawiye has been fighting against. How ironic wallahi.

Why you keep saying Hawiye first of all this is Sacad and besides they aren't on the other side of the road. They settle both sides of the road just because major cities are on the road doesn't mean they aren't on the other side of the road.

They either fight thru to the last man or sit down there is nothing in between but targetting innocents is nonsense which was initiated by MX they should shoulder the responsibility.. Also don't you think Mx come frequently to the major cities on the road and back again it is open country both ways for people to move around.. There is nothing called space of limitions.. HG have families in Balanbale, Cabuudwaaq and vice versa.

The only place Sacad or HG don't settle is your cities closer to the border but they settle on both sides of the road

There are no hg savages in cabudwaaq or Balanbale xaraanyahay..with the 100 usernames. … marehan did not start none …but they will finish it .

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Do you know why women and children were targeted? Because more sadistic minds than the rest saw it as a "shortcut" to a long goal---completely pushing Hawiye back across the north/south highway. If the men just fight and the Hawiye families keep herding west towards MX grazing, they thought it would be dusting sand against the wind. In other words, you swipe away and the wind sends more towards you.

The targeting of the families drastically reduced heading west but since this event, every single Hawiye has left west of the road. In Caabudwaaq they are saying all the Hawiye mothers even have fled to their kin fearing reprisal. One Wagardhac militia leader infamous in the Dacdheer fights laughed "if all it took is 'dhawr gabdho la fuulay' to finally have them east of the highway, maybe we need 'different' kind of war."

Earlier I said to Kees this isn't deterrence, but I was wrong. This is "conditioning" implicating 'deterrence.' It has been seen how Hawiye have reacted to the fear of reprisal for what they have done---so now Wagardhac is being "conditioned" to adopt IT as "deterrence." There will be rape to out rape, sexual violence to out sexual violence. Women, girls, boys---elderly men. No Hawiye will be caught dead west of the highway and no Wagardhac east of the highway. That is essentially the MX side political AND security objective---conversely it is what Hawiye has been fighting against. How ironic wallahi.

Why you keep saying Hawiye first of all this is Sacad and besides they aren't on the other side of the road. They settle both sides of the road just because major cities are on the road doesn't mean they aren't on the other side of the road.

They either fight thru to the last man or sit down there is nothing in between but targetting innocents is nonsense which was initiated by MX they should shoulder the responsibility.. Also don't you think Mx come frequently to the major cities on the road and back again it is open country both ways for people to move around.. There is nothing called space of limitions.. HG have families in Balanbale, Cabuudwaaq and vice versa.

The only place Sacad or HG don't settle is your cities closer to the border but they settle on both sides of the road

There are no hg savages in cabudwaaq or Balanbale xaraanyahay..with the 100 usernames. … marehan did not start none …but they will finish it .

Of course. Long term strategic game:

“QAAN MAREEXAAN WAA QAAXO KUGU MAQAN”

[Kees70]