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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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Murax wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:15 am Avoiding the FKD frame Skywalker put this in, Original Dervish is dead wrong with insinuating Isaaq were not an integral part of many positive aspects of Somalia’s history. My Dad who was a young man at the time told me how no other clan bled more for Somalia and ironically DDSI in particular than Isaaq. To discount this is silly.



My only gripe with Isaaqs is they strike me as very emotional sometimes and not clear thinking. What do I mean? They don’t realize that instead of begging these gaalo for ictiraaf they won’t do it if they haven’t done it by now in 40 years. Why not walaaliin IRIR (Hawiye) wax la qeybsatiin and get full 100% autonomy and end this never ending cycle?
First and foremost, I wish to commend you for your gracious words regarding the Isaaq and Sadaat people of Somaliland. It is indeed accurate that the animosity between Somalis and Ethiopians was largely propagated by Somalilanders. During the conflicts of 1964 and 1977, the primary defensive positions of the Somali nation were situated in Somaliland, spanning from Wajaale to Kala Baydh and other border regions. Esteemed officers from Somaliland, such as Colonel Asker and General Ali Hussein, played pivotal roles in leading these efforts. Your acknowledgment of these contributions is greatly appreciated and deserves recognition.

Furthermore, it must be stated unequivocally that we in Somaliland are not seeking favours; we simply demand what is rightfully ours—diplomatic recognition. We have built a nation from scratch, without external assistance, and it is high time this achievement is recognised. Frankly, there is no functioning Somali state in Mogadishu that can offer us anything beyond hollow promises and the empty ideology of Somaliweyn, which they themselves scarcely believe in. Their primary concern lies in aid money and similar benefits.

In the absence of sincerity and political honesty on their part, and given that they have nothing of value to offer us, there is no basis for meaningful dialogue. The so-called talks between Somalia and Somaliland were insincere, aimed merely at wasting time and negotiating from a perceived position of strength. This strategy has backfired, as Somalia has grown weaker, with numerous states now pursuing their own foreign policies.

Regarding the notion of making peace with our so-called Irir brothers, it must be clarified that there is no such thing as an Irir identity from a clan perspective. The Memorandum of Understanding has revealed this truth. The Hawiye have been particularly disturbed since its signing, not out of a sense of Somali nationalism or allegiance to Somaliweyn, but because they resent the advantages we stand to gain from our deal with Ethiopia. They are now pleading with Ethiopia to take Hobyo, leaving little room for genuine dialogue.

Your argument advocating for full autonomy is equally flawed. Somaliland is already a de facto state, and there is nothing to be gained from an autonomous status. On the contrary, it would be a significant downgrade from our current position. We already receive aid from numerous European countries, and recognition would only enhance our capacity to attract investment. Even without recognition, we have secured a half-billion dollar port investment. Therefore, what benefit would autonomous status bring us?

Finally, it is important to note that all African nations that have fought for independence have ultimately achieved their goals, such as South Sudan and Eritrea. Somaliland’s case for independence is even stronger than theirs. South Sudan was never a state with colonial boundaries, and Eritrea was part of Abyssinia prior to Italian colonisation. In contrast, Somalia and Somaliland never shared a unified country prior to colonialism. While Eritrea did develop a distinct Italian colonial identity, it was part of Abyssinia before the Italian occupation, with its lords paying tribute to the Abyssinian kings. Somalia and Somaliland, however, have always been distinct entities, never sharing a nation before 1960 and certainly not before 1884.
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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Marka lasoo ururiyo almuhim isaaqu waa dad iimaan la,a oo waxay liqaan iyo nolol raadisa. Somaliduna wax na deeqa ma hayso. Oo yagiiba bakhtigu xalaal u yahay. Waa halkii xaafe " aynu Kala qaraab tagno" :lol:
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Khalid I said loose confederation, we would retain our independence but we have deep relations with our dear neighbour Ethiopia we must work together against our common enemy Somalia. Ethiopia is our best bet to protect our independence as well as fully restore our territorial integrity by crushing the Dhofar Darod terrorists with their Xaartumo nonsense
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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Skywalker, Khalid Ali


What you did here is you lazily put me in a box, dictated my motive, and thus argument based on my clan. That said I actually don’t blame you because 99.9% of Somalis you need dig no deeper than that.

You think I am so delusional, unaware that I am not aware that the ‘Somaliweyn’ ‘Somali unity’ BS is 100% hypocrisy coming from the mouths of Non-Slanders in this case. Nobody cares for Laa Maritime agreement, walaa Xabashi influence the slightest but only because one of their clan foes (Isaaq) are the subject of it. Somali hypocrites are use fake ‘Somalinimo’ BS only when it benefits their clan narrative never anytime else so I don’t blame you saying F off.


I have zero doubt that even Culusow, and his Gov don’t care one bit about ‘sanctity’ of the Gulf of Aden other than this diminishes their power and financial windfall they get from being the administrators of that region if only in name.


That said if anything consider me a sincere advisor: There is nothing worse than permanent limbo. Like I mentioned before Kurdistan, Iraq today have their own parliament, Government, language, constitution and the shiico raafido in Baghdad can’t tell them squat. They are pumping their Oil, living large. Who cares if they’re officially not a country? That could be you.

Look at Irbil, Kurdistan it looks like Europe!

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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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Khalid Ali wrote: [
BigBreak wrote: Khalid I said loose confederation, we would retain our independence but we have deep relations with our dear neighbour Ethiopia we must work together against our common enemy Somalia. Ethiopia is our best bet to protect our independence as well as fully restore our territorial integrity by crushing the Dhofar Darod terrorists with their Xaartumo nonsense
https://english.news.cn/20240707/f4d395 ... a27/c.html

Look at this article brother Khalid, countries are coming together in different ways. These 3 countries in West Africa are forming a confederation which doesn't mean they are all becoming one single country but it means they can have the closest possible relationships with each other and protect each other from all threats whilst each retaining their respective independence. I want Somaliland and Ethiopia as well as possibly Djibouti and Eritrea too to forge a loose confederation but Somalia must not be allowed to join however
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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Murax that Kurdistan argument should be pointed to parts of Somalia itself like so called Puntland rather than Somaliland which is already independent and is not even like Kurdistan since the Iraqi central government as well as neighbouring countries eg Turkey and Iran will object to Kurdish separation by all means where as nobody in Somaliweyne or beyond can do anything about ending Somaliland's independence.

It is insulting for any independent country to demote its status to just become some region, once you declare full independence there's no going back
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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That's right.....keep up the international isolation.
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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original dervish wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:38 am That's right.....keep up the international isolation.
Actually we are the most international Somalis. The most westernised at the same time the most radical. Iidoor isagoo gaalada khamriga la cabaya buu dhinaca kalena jihaad kaga jiraa. Waa wada edna iyo godane. :lol: weji malihin. Xitaa qiirada somalinimada Iidoor kaa ugu horeeya. Ilmada dubbe Ka qubatay mareexan baa yaabay. Seef la boodnimada coldoon dabcasar baa Ka yaabay.
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Re: 5 reasons why Ethiopia is closer to Somaliland then Somalia

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