Are Embryos Haraam????

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Question :

We have been married for some time, and Allaah has not blessed us with children until now. We are going to carry out an artificial insemination procedure, but the appointment for this procedure will be in the blessed month of Ramadaan. This is because of the ovulation cycle. This means that my wife and I will not be in a state of tahaarah (purity) and we will break our fast during Ramadaan. I do not know what to do. Will Allaah forgive us because we have to do this, and is there any expiation?.


Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Artificial insemination involves many things that are wrong. It has been proven that some doctors deliberately switch the sperm, either because they are evil themselves, or because they are certain that the man’s sperm is not fit for fertilization, and their greed for money leads them to do this.

It has been proven that in many hospitals mistakes have been made and samples have been switched. Hence the scholars’ view on this matter is strict and they have stated that it is not permissible if the samples are stored and inserted into the woman’s uterus at a later date. Others have said that it is not allowed at all, because of the inherent dangers of error in this method which may lead to mingling of lineages and many other evils.

Secondly:

This insemination is not a case of necessity whereby a man and his wife may break their fast. It can be delayed until night or until after Ramadaan.

What we advise you to do is to be patient and accept the decree of Allaah, and to apply the shar’i means of producing offspring. If you insist on artificial insemination then you have to take the strictest precautions to keep an eye on the sample and ensure that it is inserted immediately in your wife’s uterus by a female doctor whose religious commitment is trustworthy. And you should avoid doing this during the day in Ramadaan because there is no urgency.

And Allaah knows best.


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[Mowhawk]

Sister Jazaaka Allah qeeyr, and the post was a good read. Let me be Cawar's devil advocate, this issue is not about cloning, but rather is about gene therapy, and is intended, to cure illnesses for the benefits of humanity (especiall those who can afford, 1% of humanity).

"........rather it has to be beneficial knowledge which serves the interests of mankind and protects them from harm; this knowledge has to protect the dignity of man and the lofty purpose for which Allaah created him."

Cawar

I will be back to this topic, but first, let me go out and make some money, and sell fake insurance policies to a couple of pensioners, otherwise my landlord will kick me out tomorrow.

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Question :

If the one who will carry a pregnancy – i.e., the one in whose womb the man’s sperm or the gamete will be implanted – is the wife of the man who produces the sperm, and that sperm is placed directly in her womb by medical means, noting that the man is unable to place his sperm there in the natural manner for some reason, what is the ruling on this case?


Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Concerning the situation mentioned in the question, there has been a great deal of discussion amongst the scholars of the current age. Some say that it is permissible, some say that it is forbidden, and some say that we cannot comment either way. Among those who said that we cannot comment either way was Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). The researcher thought that the view of the majority of modern scholars is most likely to be correct, but subject to certain conditions, namely:

(a) urgent need, i.e., when it is not possible to achieve pregnancy by natural means

(b) the doctor dealing with the case should think it most likely that no harm will be caused by doing this procedure

(c) there should be no room for sperm (lit. lineages) to be mixed

The ruling on the case mentioned is the same as the ruling on a case where sperm is taken from a man and an egg from his wife, then the egg is fertilized in a test tube and returned to the uterus. The most correct view is that this is permissible, subject to the conditions mentioned above.


Majallah al-Da’wah, issue no. 1796, p. 20 (www.islam-qa.com)

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[Mowhawk]

SoMaLiSiZz

That post of mine was in reply to your first post.

Ignore Dhuusa.

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Mowhawk Barak Allahu feek brother ==>

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Mowhawk"]SoMaLiSiZz

Ignore Dhuusa.[/quote]

Hey, scared aren't ya? C'mon be man admit you see nothing but dead-end alleys in the arguement I've constructed.

Scientific evidence is presented to you showing that in first trimaster approx. 50% of fertilized eggs fail. THAT is abortion. Who is responsible for them?

If you guys reject stem cell research on the grounds it will destroy embryos, why don't you be fair and honest and hold Allah responsible for all the aborted embryos.

[generalka]

[quote]We have been married for some time, and Allaah has not blessed us with children [/quote]
Why did I find this extremely funny? Damn! Can't you just say "I have't been able to have kids"?????

Somalisizz, please dont flood the forums by copy and pasting stuff to prove your point. Actually, no one will read anything that long. You posted so much crap and at the same time its like you haven't gotten your point throught.

As for the abortion thing, it dosn't matter if they fail or not. It isnt alive anyway so it really isn't abortion.

[Mowhawk]

Dhuusa

I appreciated pointing out to Suhayle for her mix-up with me and Xiddigta. Thanks. In this issue, I'm only interested in my fellow Muslims point of view.

Cawar

We don’t have a unified "fatwa" or view of scholars on stem-cell. This is a new topic, though the opinions vary, they are gradually gaining momentum. So let us (a plea to all participants) avoid name calling and respect the varrying opinions presented here.

Cawar, Bro, some of the links that I read so far;

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... 9503545118

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/englis ... waID=67904

This link is from the North American Fiqh Council, the Islamic legal scholars of Canada and the US, which applies to you guys.

http://www.imase.org/index.php?fcontent ... ontent=yes

Or this one, there are many other links on the issue:

http://www.pfaith.org/islam.htm

I will be back to this topic, one more fake insurance policy to sell to a loaded pensioner. Just a silly joke.

[Cawar]

Moe

I was waiting for your opinion according to what you knew before the search. Well i havent read the links you provided yet, I will tomorrow Insha Allah...but I satnd by my earlier decision...thus far.


Somaliz

Thanks for the links and explanations...but Moe is right I was not talking about human cloning at all or even abortion...I am just interested in this topic of stem cell research and frozen embryos...as i watched a documentry and a debate about it some time ago here in America(its still a hot issue)...and wanted the Islamic stand on this issue...if we muslims are to get involved in this subject in the future...even on a individual level...like participating in a research of that kind.


Dhuusa

For the gazillionth time...and for the last time...try harder a little and come up with something readable and appropriate to the topic(any given topic has a different issue)...otherwise there is nothing wrong in not posting or simply saying I know nothing about the issue...thats not ceeb you know. You dont have to rub your nose into every hole.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Cawar"]
Dhuusa

For the gazillionth time...and for the last time...try harder a little and come up with something readable and appropriate to the topic(any given topic has a different issue)...otherwise there is nothing wrong in not posting or simply saying I know nothing about the issue...thats not ceeb you know.[/quote]

Ok, I lay down a challenge for you if you're ballsy enough. SHOW ME where I wrote anything extraneous to the topic being discussed or where I display lack of knowledge as you allege.


I DARE YOU to do that! Just once.

[SoMaLiSiZz]

[quote="generalka"][quote]We have been married for some time, and Allaah has not blessed us with children [/quote]
Why did I find this extremely funny? Damn! Can't you just say "I have't been able to have kids"?????

Somalisizz, please dont flood the forums by copy and pasting stuff to prove your point. Actually, no one will read anything that long. You posted so much crap and at the same time its like you haven't gotten your point throught.

As for the abortion thing, it dosn't matter if they fail or not. It isnt alive anyway so it really isn't abortion.[/quote]


I am not flooding the thread this is fatawa you know the once the knowledgeable sheikhs gives ( not Crap as you say Acuzbillah only a jaahila would say that) the types you and me cant give when it comes to xalaal and xaraam

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="SoMaLiSiZz"] I am not flooding the thread this is fatawa you know the once the knowledgeable sheikhs gives ( not Crap as you say Acuzbillah only a jaahila would say that) the types you and me cant give when it comes to xalaal and xaraam [/quote]

Arab shiekhs command your obedient loyalty, no surprise there. Just one question: if you take what to believe, what's haram/xalaal, from them what is the quran for?

Why don't you just throw away the Quran and start worshiping hairy arab men?

[Cawar]

^^ I am not here to play tic tac toe with you. However....

Your above post should be proof enough to show how off topic and out of substance you are all the time......Participate or Abstain...why is that so hard to understand???

This is about Frozen Embryos...not about abortion and certainly not about 2/3 or 3/4 of fertilized eggs or wasted sperm!!!! Is it that hard???

[Suhaylah]

Generally speaking, Is it Haraam donating unfertilized female gamete or sex cell (egg)?

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Cawar"] Your above post should be proof enough to show how off topic and out of substance you are all the time......Participate or Abstain...why is that so hard to understand???

This is about Frozen Embryos...not about abortion and certainly not about 2/3 or 3/4 of fertilized eggs or wasted sperm!!!! Is it that hard???[/quote]

Out of substance? You think so?

Didn't you ask whether it is Islamically OK to do stem cell research on frozen embryos. Frozen embryos are fertilized eggs. The whole fuss is centered around this issue of destroying embryos (that is what happens when stem cells are extracted from embryos), which is tantamount to killing the unborn. If it wasn't for this, they'd be no debate.

Accordingly my broaching of the stat of every 2/3 fertilized eggs failing is pertinent to the discussion. It demonstrates that 'abortion' is rampant in nature, that embryos are destroyed alot of the times with little or no fuss. How many anti-abortionists bombed Allah's head office?

So instead of being all over the place, saying nothing of substance like a chicken without a head... either admit I'm right or don't make accusation you can't back up.