Darwin Dismantled

[dhuusa_deer]

This is article Cawar used to support his, "Darwinism Dismantled" title. Please note that the article doesn't dispute evolution theory at all. Cawar sniffed that out of thin air or maybe Jinn whispered it into his ear.


Darwin's warm pond theory tested
By Rebecca Morelle
BBC News science reporter



The organic compounds cling too tightly to the clay
Life on Earth was unlikely to have emerged from volcanic springs or hydrothermal vents, according to a leading US researcher.

Experiments carried out in volcanic pools suggest they do not provide the right conditions to spawn life.

The findings are being discussed at an international two-day meeting to explore the latest thinking on the origin of life on Earth.

It is taking place at the Royal Society in London.

Darwin's theory

David Deamer, emeritus professor of chemistry at the University of California at Santa Cruz, said ahead of his presentation: "It is about 140 years since Charles Darwin suggested that life may have begun in a 'warm little pond'. We are now testing Darwin's idea, but in 'hot little puddles' associated with the volcanic regions of Kamchatka [Russia] and Mount Lassen [California, US]."

Understanding how life emerged on Earth within 1,000 million years of its formation is a fascinating scientific problem

Prof Ian Smith, University of Cambridge

"The results are surprising and in some ways disappointing. It seems that hot acidic waters containing clay do not provide the right conditions for chemicals to assemble themselves into 'pioneer organisms.'"

Professor Deamer said that amino acids and DNA, the "building blocks" for life, and phosphate, another essential ingredient, cling to the surfaces of clay particles in the volcanic pools.

"The reason this is significant is that it has been proposed that clay promotes interesting chemical reactions relating to the origin of life," he explained.

"However," he added, "in our experiments, the organic compounds became so strongly held to the clay particles that they could not undergo any further chemical reactions."

Martian existence?

While our understanding of the world is rapidly increasing, the answer to how life began on Earth remains elusive.

The conference, involving more than 200 leading international scientists, will also explore other theories including whether life arrived from space.


Scientists see evidence of early life in ancient rocks

"It is presumed that life arose in a soup rich in carbon compounds, but where did these organic molecules come from?" said Dr Max Bernstein from the US-based Seti Institute.

He believes the answer may lie in interstellar dust, and will be talking about the possibility that a comet or asteroid may have provided Earth with the raw ingredients needed for life.

The researchers will also be asking whether life could exist elsewhere in the Universe.

Professor Monica Grady from the UK's Open University will explore the possibility of a Martian existence at the meeting.

She will discuss whether a Martian biosphere once existed by examining research into the carbon chemistry of Mars.

Professor Ian Smith, from the University of Cambridge, the organiser of the conference said: "Understanding how life emerged on Earth within 1,000 million years of its formation is both a fascinating scientific problem and an essential step in predicting the presence of life elsewhere in the Universe."

Professor Deamer said that his research, which is not yet published, will help to narrow down the theories about how life on Earth emerged.

"One possibility is that life really did begin in a 'warm little pond', but not in hot volcanic springs or marine hydrothermal vents," he added.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="AMAT-ALLAH"]^^So you saying just because monkeys share similar biological traits as humans that we decent from them? [quote]

No! We didn't descend from monkeys. You didn't get that from studying evolution theory, maybe from your local Imaam or evangelical xtrians. Why don't you study, understand then and ONLY then either reject or accept it? It clearly evident that you don't know much about Evolution theory other than it conflicts with your Holy Book's version of life's history. But why pretend? Why ask evidence for evolution if you have, priori, decided to reject the theory out of hand.

[dhuusa_deer]

Has anybody seen Cawar?

[dhuusa_deer]

Darwin's most trusted Bulldog wants to play. Anyone? Cawar?

[Cawar]

You are being Bombarded with no mercy in other threads...is this a distraction??? what have you been taking notes the last few days???

Anyways I tell you what ....we will continue on this ...but not tonight...i'll stay one more hr at max...and have a movie to watch..."The Man". Ok??? happy?? Ok then go and find a way to avoid the bunker-busting bombs in the other threads if you want to continue to post in this thread in the future.

[dhuusa_deer]

Cawar,

Again you're running! You're a coward par excellence.

You mounted egregious, fraudulent attack on a bona fide scientific theory. I showed how you dishonestly misrepresented what the article said -- that Darwin's Pond Theory being questioned and NOT Darwinism or Evolution theory itself. Instead of cutting your loses and accepting a defeat you disappear hoping I'll forget. You got no shred of self respect or honesty.

Be a man. Either accept defeat or defend your claim that Darwinism is DISMANTLED.

[Cawar]

Rain Man

There is no winning or defaet here...you think you showed me something, while I think you farted all over the place....However and for the Nth time....I have nothing to run from..not from you...not even from a worthy and loyal foe...you're just a second hand remember???

Your only joy is when someone like me actually engages in a debate with you...so relax...and i promise that i will continue at least this time...to entertain your farting for a little while...untill you start banging your head on the wall and keep mimicking the same words again and again and agian...just like The Autistic boy you are....capisci?? or there is not even a single neuron in your brain to grasp what I am saying???

[LionHeart-112]

Cawar...be gentle with the autistic fu.ck. He has no friends in real life and this the only interaction and debate he engages with human beings....

[ABSAME']

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Cawar"]Rain Man

There is no winning or defaet here...you think you showed me something, while I think you farted all over the place[/quote]


Of course there is winning -- telling the truth. There are no personal prices to be won on a discussion forum, the only winner is the truth. Your worst enemy. You lie and lie to support whatever cause you got axe-to-grind with.

To reiterate this what you initially claimed: DARWINISM DISMANTLED. To support it you referenced a BBC article which mentioned how new evidence sheds some doubt on Darwin's Pond Theory. But either out of ignorance or more likely due to dishonesty you equated that 'doubt' on NON-DARWINISM Theory (Darwin's Pond Theory -- which deals with abiogenesis) with Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I, in subsequent posts, illustrated where you were wrong, perhaps deliberately. Instead of being honourable man cutting your losses, licking your wounds and accepting defeat you scamper off to oblivion hoping it's all forgotten about.

You really need to find your moral spine.

[Caydid]

Dhuusaaye, I find it funny that you believe the writings of 19th century anthropologist who found the relationship between different species of reptiles and birds while disbelieving islam ( a religion that is second to none by any standards), the holly Quraan (by far the best book ever written) and the believe in one God, Allah.


You need to read alot more before Darwin becomes your prophet, Evolutionary theory your book and science your god. Too little knowledge is dangarous and that is what you have so far demonstrated.

[dhuusa_deer]

Caydiid,

I DON'T worship ANY man. My motto is the one at display in the Royal Society (Britian): Nullius in Verba. You know what it means? Its short form for: take no man's word for it. I don't just accept anything said by any man without first and foremost studying it from every concievable angle and then looking at the evidence for it. I beleive evolution theory not becuz I have inordinate believe in science but it is a inconvertible FACT.

All you and other anti-evolutionist offer is peddling of old creationist theoreis. When that track fails you launch ad hominem attacks to smear your opponents. Why can't you debate the substance of the issue of Evolution? If you can't why bother attempting half-hearted attacks at all.

[generalka]

you know i'm really open to all theories wether they be scientific or philosophical, however I find the Theory of Evolution hard to believe. How come we haven't evolved? You can argue it takes millions of years for such a feat, however I know there are many animals that are millions of years old. How come we dont see them evolve?

[Caydid]

Dhuusaaye, you blv in Darwin. I have used evolutionary perspective on almost everything. Evolution as a concept is to analyse things is ok. But using biological evolutionary to question faith is a wrong thing.

I have yet to see you discuss Darwin from a biological evolutionary perspective. All your DHuuso concerns using darwinian arguments to bad mouth faith.

dhuusadaada meesha kala tag. Darwinian theory has no relation to Faith or the existence of God. It is about finding relationships between species.

[dhuusa_deer]

Caydiid,

Of course you don't see me using biological terms, what's the use. This is discussion among common ppl some with science knowledge others with none. There is no point using terminology very few are familiar with. Having said that I DO defend evolution theory WITH sceince. It is impossible not to.

What I find objectionable is the continuous, often dishonest, attack on Evolution theory by ppl who can't even defend what they sputtering. Why bother?