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S-D-M wrote:

Ducaysane_87 wrote:

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Mareexans didn't live anywhere near saylac so how did they think axmed gurey was mareexan.

this people are stupid - ahmed guray was either gadabursi , cisse ama isaaq - or he could even be non somali - but never marexaan who fed them those fake propagenda i guess the former regime. just because the only famous 1 was siad bare - doesnt mean they should lie about ahmed guray - the closet marexaan came was in sool and nugaal

Do you have prove that he was any of these qabils? If you can bring any prove forward wallahi just bring it. Otherwise iska aamus......nacaskasta wuu hadlikaraa lakin nin figrat leh baa hadal murti leh golaha layimaado....waan hadli karaa looma hadlo

did i said he was any qabil - i said it was more likely he was a tribe from the gadabursi , cisse , isaaq - dont come with your Sadistic propagenda that he was Marexaan all somali maxamed knows its fabricated - there could be possibilities the guy wasnt even a somali but harari let alone a marexaan what a laughable joke

siren wrote:Why do people reply to this Idiot D87?

whats your problem get off the computer and go wash the plates for your mother

There were three elements in Adal ifaat dir somalis, arabs-(i.e. Ahlul bayt of the rasuul scws), the axumites. The foundation of the Ifaat was axumites, and the foundation of Adal was the Ahlul bayt..namely sheekh yessif Al-kowneyn who united tmuch of the somali speaking regions in the horn. The Two states merged through intermarriages of the main families. it became later zeylac and Berbera/Harar regions...the zeylac sultanate descending from sheekh yessif who was not a cousin of sheikh isxaq but a descendant continues still with the cisse sultanate, the berbera/harar corridor of Axmed Gurey had Toljecle sultans.

consider for example the ethnic makeup of djibouti today and how it may eventually look 100s of years from now if it survives in the current cisse, canfar and arab population united by history of french colonialism. The same thing in Adal/ifat except it was united in an Islamic renaissance led by sheikh isxaq rc who married from the axumites and may be also the dir (I m not sure if the name habr gerxajis refers to a gurage mother or is a dir). The point is that Somalis were cushitic people shaped by Islam and not by western colonialism as it is today and the sultanates in the area despite their ethnic makeups had a common spiritual and economical bond and at times even very strong political unity like at the time of Al-kowneyn and Axmed Gurey.

guryasame wrote:There were three elements in Adal ifaat dir somalis, arabs-(i.e. Ahlul bayt of the rasuul scws), the axumites. The foundation of the Ifaat was axumites, and the foundation of Adal was the Ahlul bayt..namely sheekh yessif Al-kowneyn who united tmuch of the somali speaking regions in the horn. The Two states merged through intermarriages of the main families. it became later zeylac and Berbera/Harar regions...the zeylac sultanate descending from sheekh yessif who was not a cousin of sheikh isxaq but a descendant continues still with the cisse sultanate, the berbera/harar corridor of Axmed Gurey had Toljecle sultans.

consider for example the ethnic makeup of djibouti today and how it may eventually look 100s of years from now if it survives in the current cisse, canfar and arab population united by history of french colonialism. The same thing in Adal/ifat except it was united in an Islamic renaissance led by sheikh isxaq rc who married from the axumites and may be also the dir (I m not sure if the name habr gerxajis refers to a gurage mother or is a dir). The point is that Somalis were cushitic people shaped by Islam and not by western colonialism as it is today and the sultanates in the area despite their ethnic makeups had a common spiritual and economical bond and at times even very strong political unity like at the time of Al-kowneyn and Axmed Gurey.

U look great with this name and with xino and blue sky dirac

guryasame wrote:There were three elements in Adal ifaat dir somalis, arabs-(i.e. Ahlul bayt of the rasuul scws), the axumites. The foundation of the Ifaat was axumites, and the foundation of Adal was the Ahlul bayt..namely sheekh yessif Al-kowneyn who united tmuch of the somali speaking regions in the horn. The Two states merged through intermarriages of the main families. it became later zeylac and Berbera/Harar regions...the zeylac sultanate descending from sheekh yessif who was not a cousin of sheikh isxaq but a descendant continues still with the cisse sultanate, the berbera/harar corridor of Axmed Gurey had Toljecle sultans.

consider for example the ethnic makeup of djibouti today and how it may eventually look 100s of years from now if it survives in the current cisse, canfar and arab population united by history of french colonialism. The same thing in Adal/ifat except it was united in an Islamic renaissance led by sheikh isxaq rc who married from the axumites and may be also the dir (I m not sure if the name habr gerxajis refers to a gurage mother or is a dir). The point is that Somalis were cushitic people shaped by Islam and not by western colonialism as it is today and the sultanates in the area despite their ethnic makeups had a common spiritual and economical bond and at times even very strong political unity like at the time of Al-kowneyn and Axmed Gurey.

sxb i think their mother was gurage and not Dir - since Habar Magado was 1 -

S-D-M wrote:

guryasame wrote:There were three elements in Adal ifaat dir somalis, arabs-(i.e. Ahlul bayt of the rasuul scws), the axumites. The foundation of the Ifaat was axumites, and the foundation of Adal was the Ahlul bayt..namely sheekh yessif Al-kowneyn who united tmuch of the somali speaking regions in the horn. The Two states merged through intermarriages of the main families. it became later zeylac and Berbera/Harar regions...the zeylac sultanate descending from sheekh yessif who was not a cousin of sheikh isxaq but a descendant continues still with the cisse sultanate, the berbera/harar corridor of Axmed Gurey had Toljecle sultans.

consider for example the ethnic makeup of djibouti today and how it may eventually look 100s of years from now if it survives in the current cisse, canfar and arab population united by history of french colonialism. The same thing in Adal/ifat except it was united in an Islamic renaissance led by sheikh isxaq rc who married from the axumites and may be also the dir (I m not sure if the name habr gerxajis refers to a gurage mother or is a dir). The point is that Somalis were cushitic people shaped by Islam and not by western colonialism as it is today and the sultanates in the area despite their ethnic makeups had a common spiritual and economical bond and at times even very strong political unity like at the time of Al-kowneyn and Axmed Gurey.

U look great with this name and with xino and blue sky dirac

I am shaking my head wallahi. If I had known this guy is a badow straight from his clan tuulo, this discussion would not have taken this long. No wonder they said aragti comes through experience. Waa hadii laygu qabto kan iyo waxa kula position ah inaan mar danbe dood caalami ah kala qayb qaato.

Voltage wrote:

S-D-M wrote:

guryasame wrote:There were three elements in Adal ifaat dir somalis, arabs-(i.e. Ahlul bayt of the rasuul scws), the axumites. The foundation of the Ifaat was axumites, and the foundation of Adal was the Ahlul bayt..namely sheekh yessif Al-kowneyn who united tmuch of the somali speaking regions in the horn. The Two states merged through intermarriages of the main families. it became later zeylac and Berbera/Harar regions...the zeylac sultanate descending from sheekh yessif who was not a cousin of sheikh isxaq but a descendant continues still with the cisse sultanate, the berbera/harar corridor of Axmed Gurey had Toljecle sultans.

consider for example the ethnic makeup of djibouti today and how it may eventually look 100s of years from now if it survives in the current cisse, canfar and arab population united by history of french colonialism. The same thing in Adal/ifat except it was united in an Islamic renaissance led by sheikh isxaq rc who married from the axumites and may be also the dir (I m not sure if the name habr gerxajis refers to a gurage mother or is a dir). The point is that Somalis were cushitic people shaped by Islam and not by western colonialism as it is today and the sultanates in the area despite their ethnic makeups had a common spiritual and economical bond and at times even very strong political unity like at the time of Al-kowneyn and Axmed Gurey.

U look great with this name and with xino and blue sky dirac

I am shaking my head wallahi. If I had known this guy is a badow straight from his clan tuulo, this discussion would not have taken this long. No wonder they said aragti comes through experience. Waa hadii laygu qabto kan iyo waxa kula position ah inaan mar danbe dood caalami ah kala qayb qaato.

Sade idiots

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Imam Axmed Gurey was born near saylac* therefore he was either a Gadabursi, Ciise or Isaaq end of topic!

*Btw, no mareexans from saylac.

Neither Ciise nor Gedabursi are mentioned in the Futah, mentioned in any historical texts, or reevaluated history. This is to say they had absaloutely nothing to do with Ahmed Gurey or his era. As for the Isaaq, the clan mentioned is the Habar Magaadla which I am told is the opposite of the Habar Xabuusheed (who also are not mentioned in any historical text and have nothing to do with it) and the Habar Magaadle mentioned are strictly on the basis of fulfiling solider recruits. Way dagaalameen ragaasi but gaal dil gartiisana sii that is about their importance to the over history.

As for degaan, understand this. The people who led the Ahmed Gurey campaigns (who are all mentioned in these historical texts) would naturally come from warrior people who who specialize in conquering and pioneering right? The history of Mareexaan in the last 150 years actually REINFORCES the historical position of these texts which says places this clan in the center of those campaigns.

When the British were coming to the north, Mareexaan was here (within the borders of what would nominally be considered "British Somaliland".:




By 1940, Mareexaan had taken over the width of northern Italian Jubbaland


With the live observations of the colonialists being:

It is written in The New Encyclopaedia Britannica Issue 1974:

"To the east the Somalis were once more on the move. After 1850 one of the Darod Somali groups, the Marehan crossed the Juba in force. In 1865 they went on to break the Tana Galla and by 1880 had turned on the Boran. Pagan peoples in this region were now being dominated by Muslims, and peasants by nomads from the north."

Only in the last 150 years has this clan undertook such a push, are you attempting to discuss 400 years ago?

Some source Warsame101

Voltage wrote:

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Imam Axmed Gurey was born near saylac* therefore he was either a Gadabursi, Ciise or Isaaq end of topic!

*Btw, no mareexans from saylac.

Neither Ciise nor Gedabursi are mentioned in the Futah, mentioned in any historical texts, or reevaluated history. This is to say they had absaloutely nothing to do with Ahmed Gurey or his era. As for the Isaaq, the clan mentioned is the Habar Magaadla which I am told is the opposite of the Habar Xabuusheed (who also are not mentioned in any historical text and have nothing to do with it) and the Habar Magaadle mentioned are strictly on the basis of fulfiling solider recruits. Way dagaalameen ragaasi but gaal dil gartiisana sii that is about their importance to the over history.

As for degaan, understand this. The people who led the Ahmed Gurey campaigns (who are all mentioned in these historical texts) would naturally come from warrior people who who specialize in conquering and pioneering right? The history of Mareexaan in the last 150 years actually REINFORCES the historical position of these texts which says places this clan in the center of those campaigns.

When the British were coming to the north, Mareexaan was here:




By 1940, Mareexaan had taken over the width of northern Italian Jubbaland


With the live observations of the colonialists being:

It is written in The New Encyclopaedia Britannica Issue 1974:

"To the east the Somalis were once more on the move. After 1850 one of the Darod Somali groups, the Marehan crossed the Juba in force. In 1865 they went on to break the Tana Galla and by 1880 had turned on the Boran. Pagan peoples in this region were now being dominated by Muslims, and peasants by nomads from the north."

Only in the last 150 years has this clan undertook such a push, are you attempting to discuss 400 years ago?

cisse and gadabuursi are not mentioned because they were not nationalized like your savage clan idiot, there were already states in the f-king area wtf, oh and btw the habar xabuusheed were the axumite and the ahlulbayt leadership, they hardly qualified for a naked savages

Why stop there why not say mareexan had degaan over north, west, central, east and south africa too. Walle dadkan waa cajiib they would even say a rock was mareexan if it did something metionable.

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Why stop there why not say mareexan had degaan over north, west, central, east and south africa too. Walle dadkan waa cajiib they would even say a rock was mareexan if it did something metionable.

Cayga iska tir sxb.

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Why stop there why not say mareexan had degaan over north, west, central, east and south africa too. Walle dadkan waa cajiib they would even say a rock was mareexan if it did something metionable.

They are mentally handicapped due to kacaan kool-aid

Here is a section of an epic poem defining the papacy and portuguese il-fated hope and savage push into region:

This Hero shall his flutt'ring ensigns raise,
And spread the terror of his name, along
Arabia's coast. Hateful Medina, then,
With Mecca, Gedda, and the coast extreme
Of Abyssinia, with fear shall quake,
And Barbora, the fate of Zeila
Destroy'd, shall apprehend. The noble Isle,
Taprobane, fam'd for its ancient name,
And proud that nature still on her bestows
With lib'ral hand her aromatic gifts,
Shall of these rich and costly products pay
Abundant tribute to her Conqueror,
When Lusia's banners shall triumphant wave,
Inspiring fear, upon Columbo's tow'rs.

Sequeira shall the Erythraean waves'8
Defy, and a new passage shall explore
Tow'rds the Great Empire, which with pride may
boast
The birth of Sheba, and of Candace.
Massuah's Island, with capacious tanks
Fill'd from the clouds, and the contiguous port
Of Arekea he shall see, and isles
Remote, which various wonders shall disclose.
Menezes on the scene shall then appear, 1T
And with his sword already nobly prov'd
In Africa, shall punish the revolt
Of Ormuz with redoubled penalties.
Thou, too, illustrious Gama, shalt receive 18
The just reward due for this banishment,
And grac'd with titles of nobility
Shalt o'er thy own discover'd regions rule
With delegated Sov'reignty. At length,
That fate, from which no mortal is exempt,
Shall from this world and all its vanities
Ev'n thee from thy vice-regal throne remove

This Guryasame person did not provide any evidence to what ever he/she is arguing about.
But on the other hand Voltage provided sources that prove and agree with his argument.

I cant hate. Voltage is providing concrete evidence. I too think Ahmed Gurrey was Marehan, if not Harti.