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Wait wait wait.. MSB initially attacked Majeerteens with the help of the Red Berets. Who were mostly composed of Hawiye. They systematically killed civilians in Gaalkayco. But did we start a clan war and attack civilians? No.Twisted_Logic wrote:The genocidal massacres of the people of Somaliland by the regime is what triggered the Somali Civil War.
Twisted_Logic wrote:aka-peace- wrote:twisted logic
one has to salute your indefatigability, to sustain the most tedious and absurd of theories. like i have stated earlier it is dangerous to argue with idiots because not only are you unlikely to persuade them, but you are likely to lose sight of what was valuable and significant in your first argument. there is no reasoning, since you dont stop to consider facts. there is no point reasoning or arguing with you. like the African proverb goes "when arguing with a chicken a grain of corn is always wrong”
there is no point in killing members you excruciating and tedious posts that you keep regurgitating. so I'm going conclude this discussion concerning this alleged genocide. this is the question i asked you 'Do you believe that it was official Somali government’s (which contented most of Somaliland's prominent officials today) policy to systematically, bureaucratically exterminate wholly or in part the isaaq people, in order to plan other clans their land?.A simple yes or no will do and then we will let others form their own views on it. and your answer to this question is YES and I quote "I have posted wide range of sources to prove that what the Barre regime did amounted to a clear attempt to wipe out an entire group people". that shows the reality of your world and your poisons hatred has consumed your mind.
case closed........
as for the USC, your apologetic rants defending the unspeakable crimes and then blaming the symptoms of those brutalities on MBS shows you inferiority complex and the sense of victim hood that has unrealistic and exaggerated beliefs and paradoxical striving for morally superiority.you try to justify and rationalise , the massacres, the rapes, the looting, the thuggery,the banditry and the ethnic cleansing by blaming it all MSB. this clear case of victim-hood psychology, we killed, rape and looted because we were brutalise by MSB and his clan, which real shows where the origins your of disgusting bigoted prejudice, and hatred stems from. then you have the nerve to speak of bigotry. by the way how can one get more bigoted then thisBut these animosities were planted by the Barre regime and many respectable leaders have warned the dictatorship precisely of these kinds of turmoil
"who in their right mind would accuse and entire clan on committing a crime against humanity. a one that is full of hatred and blinded by bigotry. you have exposed yourself again to show how sick and disgusting your views are and where the origins of views are grounded.. by the way I do condemn the crimes of the Somali government and this is evident to moral gab between you and i. i can condemn the actions of legitimate government , whereas you can even condemn the crimes of a pack of uncivilised, wirld vigilants, without blaming othersJustice is what you are after, eh. Let’s see you condemn the dictator and your clan for these crimes against humanity. We wanna see what you are made up of"
the reality is that president mohamed siyaad barre governments brought many advances to the Somali people, it built schools, hospitals and roads, it provided education to millions of illiterate Somalis for the first time ever giving them the opportunities to be doctors, engineers and lawyers. His regime brought healthcare and live hood to millions. the government provided law and order and protected the territorial integrity of the public of somalia both on sea and on land. those were the achievements.
now lets compare siyaad's somalia to todays somalia from when your 'freedom fighter' liberated the country. somalia has became a hell on hell on earth ( especially the south). millions of somalis have being killed or have starved to death, thousands have perished in the high sea. millions are internal displaced (mostly southerners) across the country, hundreds live undignified live life's as refugees in neighbouring countries and millions of others are scattered all over the world homeless. today is somali is a country in all but name. her sea are the world dumping ground and her land is an environmental disaster. the south of somalia the heart land of your freedom fighters is the worst part in the worst country in the world. murders, rapes, looting, suicides bombing, shelling, roads bombs are all daily occurrences. WPF provides food to 2/3 OF the population in what it describes as the worlds worst humanitarian disaster. or are these MSB fault too.
there is no point arguing for argument sake because at the end of the day one has to justify and defend the people he supports by present the achievements of those people. now suppose that USC was a noble movement. suppose that the massacres, the rapes, the looting and the ethnic cleansing were a 'tit-for-tat acts of injustice and brutality against civilians' furthermore lets say for the sake of argument that crimes were legitimate response MSB and his evil and corrupt clan brutality. when while we are exploring the rounds of absurdity, by rationalising the most illogical, illiberal ludicrously looney theories by supposing they were fighting for freedom. after deposing the evil dictator, what have those freedom fighters brought for your people in terms of peace, education, healthcare, infrastructure, development, security, law and order and jobs. how many schools, universities, hospitals and roads have they built and is life better today in muqdisho without MSB?
go on embarrass yourself again by trying to answer that question?
GOOD BYE,
Talk about a spectacular fall from grace. After denying the massacres and genocides of the Barre regime for 10 pages now, this -aka-peace creature finally rests him entire bogus revisionism of history on a false dilemma- the weakest of all moral arguments. His basic assumptions is this: The Barre regime might have bad but the USC was worse (which is not true by the way) so this vindicates the crimes of the Barre dictatorship. How does this justify the genocidal massacres of that bigoted regime?
Throughout this discussion I have presented a litany of evidence of to support my argument that the Barre regime did in fact aim to wipe out an entire group of people. How does he counter this? Deny the legitimacy of renowned International Human Rights Organizations while still failing to provide a single source for his theories. He claimed that it was only the USC that was responsible for the crimes against the people of Bay and Bakool, when I presented a strong evidence by the Amnesty International, how does he counter this? He simply denies it. Denial is the reality for revisionist. Just deny your way out of any argument. It is simply, all you have to say or do " I deny the legitimacy of the source" and that is it, the case is close. But too bad for him, this doesn't make the reality go away
Congratulations in immersing yourself in shame
soomaalidu waxaay ku maahmaahda dooqoni waxay leedahay laba iyo toban indhoo, laakin hal mid bey waxa ku aragtaa. by the look of things kani ishaana uu layahay.Siyad Barre and his cronies are singularly responsible for the destruction of the Somali State and the Barre regime did in fact aim to wipe out an entire group of people
waxaan maqli jiray dadkana waxaa ugu muran badan jaxar iyo jaahil. dameer foqol dameer..........you have expose yourself for the pathetic sad cudaad ridden bigoted fool you are 
I like your revisionist history, whatever makes you go to sleep at night.sadeboi wrote:Twisted-logic, as of yet, you have not presented any facts to your idiotic claim. The center theme for this argument was to prove that the regime amounted to wipe out an entire group of people. You have not yet done so, and no agency, nor any government has labeled the late regime of doing so. The battle with the SNM started in the early eighties, if the regime's aim was to systematically kill people who hail from the Isaq clan, why did they not do it all along? Why were there no battles, no "merciless killings" and military activities in Hargiesa in 1982 and so on, when the SNM was fighting within the Ethiopian border? It was not until 1988 when the rebels deiced to come into the cities and engage in warfare, that such claims where made, which obviously proofs the governments aim to get rid of the rebels and not a systematic killing of an entire clan. I won't even bother to talk to you about the USC, because the ones who were affected most where the moryons relatives.
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,, ... b13,0.htmlIn January 1990, Africa Watch published a 268-page report on the war in northern Somalia, which had broken out in May 1988. By the beginning of 1990, an estimated 50,000 to 60,000 had been killed and nearly half a million had fled the country, the majority for Ethiopia. Entitled A Government at War with Its Own People: Testimonies About the Killings and the Conflict in the North, the report was based on research and interviews with newly arrived refugees in August 1989 in Djibouti and from June to October 1989 in England and Wales, where a sizeable refugee community had also gathered. The report provided eyewitness accounts of the human rights abuses that preceded the outbreak of war, and examined the conduct of the war by government forces and SNM insurgents.
In July 1990, Africa Watch issued a press release on the massacre of over 100 unarmed civilians at a soccer stadium in Mogadishu. In August, Africa Watch issued a press release drawing attention to the August 16 massacre in Berbera. A 30-page newsletter published in September exposed the superficiality of the government's "improvements" and documented a wide range of recent government abuses, including several massacres of unarmed civilians and the detention and torture of political opponents.
Africa Watch published an article in the November edition of Africa Events underlining the limitations of the government's campaign of reform. An article in The Christian Science Monitor, also in November, drew attention to the plight of Somali refugees in Ethiopia and the displaced within Somalia, particularly the deliberate denial of food by the government to the displaced. And an article by Africa Watch in December, describing the acceleration and abuses of the war in Mogadishu, appeared in The Guardian of London.
Listen here you emotional iidoor, khat intaad soo cuntid meesh nac-nac ha illa imaan, do you think this habro setting? I SAID BRING ME EVIDENCE, so do so, or either keep your red-stain mouth shut.Cali_Gaab wrote:This sadeboi kid waa xayawaan xayawaan dhalay walahi.
'Present proof that bombing were indiscriminate and not targeted kulaha'.
The desperate measures you're willing to take in order to legitimize the actions taken by your leader is pathetic in its purest form. Why did those pilots decide not to bombard Hargeysa and flew to Djbouti instead? Did you not hear their stories of how they were told to level the cities? Why did the female diplomat in Londons embassy deny claims of aerial bombardments despite being shown pictures? Why were entire cities levelled to the ground including schools and masjids? Here we have men alive today that went through those ordeals firsthand and here we have a teenager in America that cant even visit his own damn tuulos claiming he knows better.
Xayraanka ku dhalay wasse sheekadaasi mar dambe ha ila iman qaxbad yahey.
No matter how much you try to paint your afweyne & co as angels, hooyadii wasahu fled to Nigeria and died a lonely and miserable death while the SNM are wearing suits walking around their own land. Payback is a bitch and you'll remain in a limbo forever.
@ dictatorship. 
Where is the research, do you have that source present it, listen kids this is not a coffe shop tale. From the source you brought, stated that the African Watch estimated that about 50,0o0 to 60,000 died, AND EXAMINED THE CONDUCT OF GOVERNMENT FORCES AND SNM. There is no claim in there that the government or the SNM solely were responsible for the killing of those people. Nor do we have any evidence to show how the african watch came to that census, what did their research include besides TESTIMONIES by Somalis Isaqs? It would be better if you presented the AFrican Watch document, because there is still no evidence the government killed all those people and systematically wanted to do that.Samatr wrote:I like your revisionist history, whatever makes you go to sleep at night.sadeboi wrote:Twisted-logic, as of yet, you have not presented any facts to your idiotic claim. The center theme for this argument was to prove that the regime amounted to wipe out an entire group of people. You have not yet done so, and no agency, nor any government has labeled the late regime of doing so. The battle with the SNM started in the early eighties, if the regime's aim was to systematically kill people who hail from the Isaq clan, why did they not do it all along? Why were there no battles, no "merciless killings" and military activities in Hargiesa in 1982 and so on, when the SNM was fighting within the Ethiopian border? It was not until 1988 when the rebels deiced to come into the cities and engage in warfare, that such claims where made, which obviously proofs the governments aim to get rid of the rebels and not a systematic killing of an entire clan. I won't even bother to talk to you about the USC, because the ones who were affected most where the moryons relatives.
This for those that what to know what really happened.
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,, ... b13,0.htmlIn January 1990, Africa Watch published a 268-page report on the war in northern Somalia, which had broken out in May 1988. By the beginning of 1990, an estimated 50,000 to 60,000 had been killed and nearly half a million had fled the country, the majority for Ethiopia. Entitled A Government at War with Its Own People: Testimonies About the Killings and the Conflict in the North, the report was based on research and interviews with newly arrived refugees in August 1989 in Djibouti and from June to October 1989 in England and Wales, where a sizeable refugee community had also gathered. The report provided eyewitness accounts of the human rights abuses that preceded the outbreak of war, and examined the conduct of the war by government forces and SNM insurgents.
In July 1990, Africa Watch issued a press release on the massacre of over 100 unarmed civilians at a soccer stadium in Mogadishu. In August, Africa Watch issued a press release drawing attention to the August 16 massacre in Berbera. A 30-page newsletter published in September exposed the superficiality of the government's "improvements" and documented a wide range of recent government abuses, including several massacres of unarmed civilians and the detention and torture of political opponents.
Africa Watch published an article in the November edition of Africa Events underlining the limitations of the government's campaign of reform. An article in The Christian Science Monitor, also in November, drew attention to the plight of Somali refugees in Ethiopia and the displaced within Somalia, particularly the deliberate denial of food by the government to the displaced. And an article by Africa Watch in December, describing the acceleration and abuses of the war in Mogadishu, appeared in The Guardian of London.
^No amount revisionist history can change what really happened, fortunately in the west they document atrocities instead of sweeping it behind the rug and defending incompetent governments that bombard it's own people indiscriminately.
The_Emperior5 wrote:oke they just died a normal death, Do u really believe that sade boi.
