The Hawd Region.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

The Denseness is too real. Look at the Ugaas trying to pass with his convoy back in Dharwanaji. 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fLghhXKWI


Off he went to Jigjiga, a city inhabited for centuries by Gadabursi and the other clans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wlzXY0kE4

[AwRastaale]

Roble,

Relax kid.

You were talking about AwBare compared to Harshin. Of course Harshin is 3 times bigger.

Dembel is only 3,000 more and that's one bus load from Wajaale.

It is also Issa woreda not Samaroon. Get yourself a little educated if you going to do empty faan/boasting.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Dembal is Gadabuursi woreda.

You are trolling

Deuces.

[samatar133]

Rooble, I don't think anyone in this thread including you have a real knowledge about the region. Mida kale, quoting a 200 year old book as an evidence for the current reality on the ground is not really a persuasive way of arguing. I will be disingenuous myself if I pretend to be an expert on the issue. My understanding of the region and its clan population distribution is shaped mainly by two sources, Ethiopian statistical agency and many conversations I had with different people who have lived, worked and are every knowledgeable about the region. Odayaal meesha tuulo tuulo iyo jilibyada daga iyo isbadaladii taariikheed ee deegaanka soo maray si qoto-dheer u og. Coupled that with my general knowledge about where clans live, I can produce my estimates.

For example, what I know about Awbare is that JB live the sub district in Awbare that generates the highest tax income for the whole kilil5 and the most densely populated, Wajaale. When I go there in this summer I will definitely update you with my unbiased observation about the region and what I have learned.

If there is anything, I suspect that Ethiopia exaggerates its population estimation including those in Killil5 for aid reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if Ethiopian population turns out to be no more than 70 million rather than the near 90 million it claims. Another thing, you should be aware of is that estimation is not a census and that leaves room for an error.
About your other point of GB living more in Ethiopia than Somaliland, that is not true at at all. Do you know that according to Ethiopian statistical agency, Dharwanaaje which is the most populated GB town in the region has only 14,000 people. Compare that to Borama which can easily be home to more than 150,000 people.
http://www.csa.gov.et/images/documents/ ... /total.pdf

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Rooble, I don't think anyone in this thread including you have a real knowledge about the region. Mida kale, quoting a 200 year old book as an evidence for the current reality on the ground is not really a persuasive way of arguing. I will be disingenuous myself if I pretend to be an expert on the issue. My understanding of the region and its clan population distribution is shaped mainly by two sources, Ethiopian statistical agency and many conversations I had with different people who have lived, worked and are every knowledgeable about the region. Odayaal meesha tuulo tuulo iyo jilibyada daga iyo isbadaladii taariikheed ee deegaanka soo maray si qoto-dheer u og.

For example, what I know about Awbare is that JB live the sub district in Awbare that generates the highest tax income for the whole kilil5 and the most densely populated, Wajaale. When I go there in this summer I will definitely update you my unbiased observation and what I learn.

If there is anything, I suspect that Ethiopia exaggerates its population estimation including those in Killil5 for aid reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if Ethiopian population turns out to be no more than 70 million rather than the near 90 million it claims. Another thing, you should be aware of is that estimation is not a census and that leaves room for an error.
About your other point of GB living more in Ethiopia than Somaliland, that is not true at at all. Do you know that according to Ethiopian statistical agency, Dharwanaaje which is the most populated GB town in the region has only 14,000 people. Compare that to Borama which can easily be home to more than 150,000 people.
http://www.csa.gov.et/images/documents/ ... /total.pdf

Indeed it's not a persuasive way of arguing as I always tell your kinsmen that whenever they start fanning and screaming and I have to remind them to bring some recent documents or information.

Me I am a man of reality and the present.

First you have to understand there are rural and urban. Leave Borama out of this and 160k population is wrong. We're talking DDSI.

Samatar133 your people live at the border, you can hope it's not true, but it is.
I wish you the best in your travels to DDSI, where you yourself will notice who dominates Awbarre.

It's funny you try to claim Awbarre when everyone knows it's a Gadabuursi degmo.


Thank you for giving me acces to a even better Ethiopian document. Which shows 2015.


Are you saying Addis Ababa works with Beesha Samaroon and is inflating the numbers lol ? Some Illuminate shit huh?

Samatar walaal stop dreaming about my Woreda. Be proud of Harshin.

Me I inhabit Gursum, Jigjiga woreda and Aysha woreda. I move all the way to Dire Dawa and beyond.

How can Wajaale be the most important town in the Woreda when it didn't even have a city status until this year. As you yourself can see it's not even listed as a city in your document. My friend this year it was granted CITY STATUS so it's obvious your argument is invalid and the towns in DDSI are still young even the capital of the State is not that big. Plus you can't claim full ownership of Wajaale in the Ethio borders.


Who is Madaxweyne ku xigeen, waa Samaroon.
Who was previous ambassador to Kenya of Ethiopia, it was Samaroon.
Who was governor of Faafan zone, it was Samaroon.

[drobbah]

Anyways aside from this insecure Samarone screaming for attention.

Any of the Isaaq guys here know where Jibril Abokor live in the Hawd?

[samatar133]

Rooble, do you know that Ethiopian side of Wajaale is the most populated town of Awbare district according Ethiopian statistical agency. It has over 18,000 people while Dharwanaaaje, the second most populated town has 14,000 people.
Awbare as a district is a shared one with a Samaroon majority.

I know you inhibit in Jigjiga but my understanding is that Jigjiga as a district is home to more Sacad Muse than Samaroon. My knowledge about Gursum, Aysha and Diri dhaba and its clan populations is quite patchy, so i wouldn't comment about that.

My point about Ethiopian population over estimation, I meant a general population over estimation. I know that there is no conceivable reason as to why Ethiopia would favor one somali district over another.

finally, I know Samaroon are bolling in Jigjiga now days. laakiin don't forget that Cabdi Majiid, a HA guy established the current kIil5 ruling party and had moved the capital from Goday to jigjiga. Also Sacad muse became president of Killil5 once if not twice.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

First Somalis wanted to establish Dire Dawa as the capital, but failed. Then the ONLF wanted Gode to be the capital. It was not the decision of 1 man but the combined force of the Democratic Party combined of multiple non Ogadeni clans that shifted the capital from Gode to Jigjiga. don't try to give credit to 1 man.

There have been multiple presidents in the last 2 decades that contributed to nothing. First I thought you was talking about Wajaale, since it had no town status, until this year, but Tog Wajaale. All This time you were talking about Tog Wajaale.



TogWajaale is exclusive Gadabursi deegaan.


Most people in DDSI are rural as I've stated. It's the accumulated population that matters.

[AwRastaale]

Aysha is Issa as is Dembel or Denbele/Dembele.

There are few Gadabursi who live with them like Djibouti but those woredas are 90% Issa.

Again Dire used to be dominated by Issa but not anymore. It has more Gurgura/Jarso than Issa let alone Gadabursi.

This is why Dire was not added to any kilil. There are more Amhara than Samaroon.

It's Gurgura first and other Oromo-Dir hybrids including Jarso.

Amhara then Issa and the rest is mixture of everyone else.

Rooble wa iska caruur faan badan lakin waxa ka wanaagsan inu horta kala barto oo so eego.

Anigu I have lived in Dire, Jigjiga, Degehbour, Adama and Moyale.

Issa are very territorial and if they hear Samaroon claiming their land they just going to bring their famous sword.

We know how they feel about Samaroon too.

[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

Fighting over Ethiopian tuulos

[RoobleAlWaliid]

You are talking out of your ass Dambal is majority Gadabuursi. Everyone knows that even the DDSI

Dire Dawa. Any Issa can look through you trying to undermine them in Dire Dawa. You act like you want to uplift. They are bigger then the Jarso there. LOL Jarso are serious laangaabs, but they are dapper .

The biggest group being Gurgura, Af Somali speaking and Afaan Oromo speaking, latter being biggest.

I mentioned where my clans reach I didn't mention my clans being biggest there. I could also just drop the sources.

Shinile zone is predominantly Issa, but the Dambal woreda is exclusive Samaroon.

As is Awbare.

It can't be denied. Also Issa views Isaq and Samaron In the same manner. Baddow mentality.


Awbare and Dambal


I call it the stronghold.

[metamorphosis]

Anyways garxajis in hawdka karbaashed ogadeen reer isxaq that's biggest jillib of og, ogadeen 90 percent is reer cali and reer haruun so take the the lost of guba series and keep it moving even dhulos lost a lot land to hj at least they admit it unlike these in denial jahiil cagdheers.

lol Ali and Harun don't even make 5 percent of ogaden. Heck all of reer isaaq don't make 10% of ogaden. This is the reason why you should never throw around numbers...it makes you look stupid.

[guhad122]

Anyways garxajis in hawdka karbaashed ogadeen reer isxaq that's biggest jillib of og, ogadeen 90 percent is reer cali and reer haruun so take the the lost of guba series and keep it moving even dhulos lost a lot land to hj at least they admit it unlike these in denial jahiil cagdheers.

lol Ali and Harun don't even make 5 percent of ogaden. Heck all of reer isaaq don't make 10% of ogaden. This is the reason why you should never throw around numbers...it makes you look stupid.

I called a cousin of mine who is jaahuur and I questioned him if he has told any iidoors that Reer Isaaq is the majority of Ogaadeen???
That has to be the funniest joke of the year Reer Isaaq being the majority of Ogaadeen. These are the kind of people we are debating and wasting our valuable times.
Guban, please educate yourself and come back and for you record, here are the OG clans that outnumber Reer Isaaq:
1. Cawlyahan
2. Reer Cabdille
3. Tolamoge aka Cabdalle
4. I would say Reer Isaaq and Makaahiil are closer in number and they are the only two OG clans that have fought with iidoor...No other clan has border with iidoor..Just a sub clan of Reer Dalal has another front with iidoor...But 99% of Ogs and iidoor fronts happen to be from either Abraahiin of Makaahiil and Reer Isaaq both Haaruun and Cali...

[Siciid85]

Similarly Ogadeens border sub sub sub sub clans of HY, Sub sub sub sub clans of Eidagale.

85% of HY Ogadeen isma arkaan. Rer Sugulle iyo Baho Ismail iyo Ciidagale sub clans.

That's how it works.

[Lancer]

First Somalis wanted to establish Dire Dawa as the capital, but failed. Then the ONLF wanted Gode to be the capital. It was not the decision of 1 man but the combined force of the Democratic Party combined of multiple non Ogadeni clans that shifted the capital from Gode to Jigjiga. don't try to give credit to 1 man.

There have been multiple presidents in the last 2 decades that contributed to nothing. First I thought you was talking about Wajaale, since it had no town status, until this year, but Tog Wajaale. All This time you were talking about Tog Wajaale.



TogWajaale is exclusive Gadabursi deegaan.


Most people in DDSI are rural as I've stated. It's the accumulated population that matters.

You do know Wajaale and Tog Wajaale is the same town right? Both names are used interchangeably and if you where from the area you would have have known that. You would also have know that Tog Wajaale being an exclusive Gadabursi deegaan is as true as Hargeisa also being a exclusive Gadabursi deegaan.

I'm from Wajaale and I was just there this past summer and I can tell you the nearest Samaroon settlement is magala cad settled by the Reer Nuur. You can find many different clans in Wajaale because it's a business trade center, heck I even saw Marehan and Ogaden folks living there but the fact is the degmo is Jibril Abokor and we settle over the border into Awbare and Jigjiga district where we border the Yabare. If you want to know who settles in Wajaale just go there and ask who owns the farms in the area and you will be answered with the Reer Yoonis.