Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen property

[Voltage]

Say whatever you want about Siad, but personally corrupt he was not. That is something all Somalis agree on including Hawiye. The man embezzled no money nor his children. They are penniless today and live by the generosity of the Sultan of Oman who gave them their own land and stipend in Oman (even now the TFG "ambassador" to Oman is Hassan-Rubeeti Siad Barre). Who said just because your father is the leader you cannot be in business or have legitimate means to own wealth and property? You don't know how Amina got the property, you don't know if she was a business woman or received a legitimate stipend or her husband who could be of any clan bought the land for his family. You don't know anything about her. You just go by the biases taught to you in your family living room to discredit the individual in order to deny her justice.

Unfortunately, legitimacy and credibility doesn't depend on rumor and popular hearsay. It depends on facts and authenticity.Honestly you have just shown you are one of the worst type of tribalists in this topic and my perception of you is totally alien to what you have displayed here.

[greenday]

Voltage everyone is a triblistic to you so I really dont care but I still stand on this matter no land belonging to him should be given back, her husbands land is not hers is now. you know what happened to gaddafi's son home london? you think his sisters can say its ours and they will get it back?

[SultanOrder]

This topic has been very stimulating and informative. I am satisfied with the way the issue of civil war land looting in Mogadishu has been addressed since the ICU rose in Mogadishu. We see signs the future will be even more fair and just. Amina Siad Barre has every right to her properties and I am glad to see she has gotten it back.

Yeah, I think the ICU honestly cleared any doubt people had that it would be a tribally biased process. A hawiye controlled administration, enforced giving back of property to anyone who had a legitimate claim, and it wasn't even a national government.

[Voltage]

PO, decent people exist in every clan and there are as much people in Hawiye as in other clans who believe Haram cannot be made Halal and facts of justice do not depend on mob justice which is what we have seen here.

Greenday, your USC mentality is being left in the dustbins of history. You are entitled to your opinion, what you are not entitled to is the direction of the law.

[greenday]

Everyone should get whats theirs no matter when it was taken, be it 20 or 40 years ago.


Voltage can you not deal with people without putting a label on them, you lost it walahi even Alpha woka faka waye

[Voltage]

I have said my peace. I'm out of here.

[SultanOrder]

PO, so you agree that his land should be given to his children? yaab walahi waa yaab and anyone who gives it back is a fool

Greenday you are making too many assumptions about a particular issue you have no idea about. Who does the deed belong too? I have no clue, who said it is Siyaad Barre's name? What is she claiming? And what land did Siyad Barre own, all I know is that he lived in villa somalia. As for his family, they had their own schooling, jobs, worked in the military, were officials. Were they privileged, no doubt, but just like how warsan said her father helped out other warsengelis, I doubt they had it hard, but they are just like any other privileged person in the whole world, and you can't hate on them for that, nor deny them their rights. Like I said, Shariff has more money than their whole family, why don't you bring him up, what about Ina Aideed, who has million dollars as a warlord, whose hands are bloody.
Unfortunately, we have to respect legal documentation, as that is the only method to ensure the most justice for the most amount of people.

[SultanOrder]

PO, decent people exist in every clan and there are as much people in Hawiye as in other clans who believe Haram cannot be made Halal and facts of justice do not depend on mob justice which is what we have seen here.

Truth be told, every qabil lost in the civil war. Are you forgetting every clan is in qurbaha, because they all fled for their lives, leaving property and wealth back home. The USC turned on itself and fought itself just as savagely as it fought Siyaad Barre.

[greenday]

PO, so you agree that his land should be given to his children? yaab walahi waa yaab and anyone who gives it back is a fool

Greenday you are making too many assumptions about a particular issue you have no idea about. Who does the deed belong too? I have no clue, who said it is Siyaad Barre's name? What is she claiming? And what land did Siyad Barre own, all I know is that he lived in villa somalia. As for his family, they had their own schooling, jobs, worked in the military, were officials. Were they privileged, no doubt, but just like how warsan said her father helped out other warsengelis, I doubt they had it hard, but they are just like any other privileged person in the whole world, and you can't hate on them for that, nor deny them their rights. Like I said, Shariff has more money than their whole family, why don't you bring him up, what about Ina Aideed, who has million dollars as a warlord, whose hands are bloody.
Unfortunately, we have to respect legal documentation, as that is the only method to ensure the most justice for the most amount of people.

Anyone who benefits from them will also have to be dealt with but we are talking about this case which I really believe that his children should not get anything, I just dont believe a man who ruled for 20 years would not “give” his children more than they deserved.

[UlteriorMotive]

Doesn't anyone stop to remember that the MSB government was a national government and consisted of different people from all sorts of backgrounds? What about all the Hawiye former government members who were given lands that were nationalized, taken from others; Hawiye or not? How come everyone simply chooses to disregard them?

Avicenna, below is my first post in this topic.

Yeah I heard alot of people lost land when it was ''nationalised''. Why should ''nationalised'' land suddenly become under the private ownership of members close to the former regime whatever clan they may be?

Of course this is not to defend looted property. Property rights are very important and must be respected if Xamar is to be taken seriously as a forward-moving city. Nevertheless, if the city was inhabited by certain locals before the military dictatorship...but somehow during this time the demographics of the city suddenly changed...something is not adding up and questions must be asked.

If someone can prove beyond doubt that they got that property legitimately then of course they should get it back.

I don't think anyone is seriously advocating for a free-for-all regarding looted property. Everyone who legitimately owns his land keeps it. Simple.

However, we would also like an investigation into land which was looted during kacaanka under ''nationalisation''. Are we supposed to believe that because the theft was on a mass-scale under the auspices of a ''government'' that it is less theft?

There are people who are still alive today who had their hard-earned property taken from them in a con named 'scientific socialism'. This has nothing to do with clan. It's too bad that some members are getting so defensive and throwing around labels like USC and tribalist. Everyone from Greenday to Alpha has been denounced as closet tribalist for daring to question the actions of the former regime.

Give me a break.

[PRinCeS_LicK]

Say whatever you want about Siad, but personally corrupt he was not. That is something all Somalis agree on including Hawiye. The man embezzled no money nor his children. They are penniless today and live by the generosity of the Sultan of Oman who gave them their own land and stipend in Oman (even now the TFG "ambassador" to Oman is Hassan-Rubeeti Siad Barre). Who said just because your father is the leader you cannot be in business or have legitimate means to own wealth and property? You don't know how Amina got the property, you don't know if she was a business woman or received a legitimate stipend or her husband who could be of any clan bought the land for his family. You don't know anything about her. You just go by the biases taught to you in your family living room to discredit the individual in order to deny her justice.

Unfortunately, legitimacy and credibility doesn't depend on rumor and popular hearsay. It depends on facts and authenticity.Honestly you have just shown you are one of the worst type of tribalists in this topic and my perception of you is totally alien to what you have displayed here.

Its sickens me to me absolute core that these Somaliland Deniers Continuously Bring up and try to defend a murderous dictator whom not only killed thousand of people but he would round up Sheikhs from mosques and then put them in a football stadium for execution.

His family deserved to be held in court for warcrimes,if by now you have not Realized how heinous the crimes commited by this man were then you should know Allaaah Anger and Curse Fell Upon This man and his Country !!!!!!!!


The sooner you disturbed people realize that the more better your future will be HOWEVER I suggest for all Sayid Barre Sympathizers to fight tooth and Nail against Somaliland if i was them because those dead have not been avenged.

And when we are recognized they will be (in sha Allah) and when we are finished We will defend our cold blooded murders too, You will be hearing chants of GET OVER IT!

[SultanOrder]

PO, so you agree that his land should be given to his children? yaab walahi waa yaab and anyone who gives it back is a fool

Greenday you are making too many assumptions about a particular issue you have no idea about. Who does the deed belong too? I have no clue, who said it is Siyaad Barre's name? What is she claiming? And what land did Siyad Barre own, all I know is that he lived in villa somalia. As for his family, they had their own schooling, jobs, worked in the military, were officials. Were they privileged, no doubt, but just like how warsan said her father helped out other warsengelis, I doubt they had it hard, but they are just like any other privileged person in the whole world, and you can't hate on them for that, nor deny them their rights. Like I said, Shariff has more money than their whole family, why don't you bring him up, what about Ina Aideed, who has million dollars as a warlord, whose hands are bloody.
Unfortunately, we have to respect legal documentation, as that is the only method to ensure the most justice for the most amount of people.

Anyone who benefits from them will also have to be dealt with but we are talking about this case which I really believe that his children should not get anything, I just dont believe a man who ruled for 20 years would not “give” his children more than they deserved.

Your whole rationale is based on assumptions. Greenday the reality is this, the grandchildren of Siyad Barre, in the west, live the same exact lifestyle as you, they live in a middle class home not a multi-million dollar mansion, they go to regular schools, not private institutions, go to college in typical universities, not the best money can buy, get part-time jobs at local places to earn a little extra-buck. So where is this wealth from 21 years of Rule, are they just hiding it, and pretending to live a normal life?
Now for his children, again you have this image of some soldiers coming to seize some land in the name of government and giving it the president and his family.

Again this is something that is for the courts to decide. I doubt something before the government will be taken seriously, as the system won't be able to handle that, documentation is difficult and verifying those claims is almost impossible. At the same time, do we have a lot of people speaking about this? I have no idea.

[greenday]

PO, it doesnt take much to know 1+1=2.

[PRinCeS_LicK]

Your whole rationale is based on assumptions. Greenday the reality is this, the grandchildren of Siyad Barre, in the west, live the same exact lifestyle as you, they live in a middle class home not a multi-million dollar mansion, they go to regular schools, not private institutions, go to college in typical universities, not the best money can buy, get part-time jobs at local places to earn a little extra-buck. So where is this wealth from 21 years of Rule, are they just hiding it, and pretending to live a normal life?
Now for his children, again you have this image of some soldiers coming to seize some land in the name of government and giving it the president and his family.

Again this is something that is for the courts to decide. I doubt something before the government will be taken seriously, as the system won't be able to handle that, documentation is difficult and verifying those claims is almost impossible. At the same time, do we have a lot of people speaking about this? I have no idea.

The Faqash Community Where among the most Riches Somali Diaspora group Their kids where educated privately, I have seen how the grandsons of siyad barre use to live and I saw How poor the somaliland diaspora group running away from war torn Somaliland were HOWEVER you are right for some reason the Millions of Imbezzled money by the Faqash Community has completely dissapeared on them and their country Failed on Them and the Diaspora group are on par or if not mainly worse of then your average somalilander.

Its not something we should acredit to Sayid Barre Its More Allaaah Anger That dried Up your funds

[SultanOrder]

lol @ princess