Muslims for Progressive Values

[accident]

alpha is nanees a non muslim?

All of you are nuts.

[abdisamad3]

I swear Muslim men pms when it comes to the religion.

lol who is being emotional here, alpha didn't even say anything to insult you yet here you go insulting all muslim men,

[abdisamad3]

alpha is nanees a non muslim?

All of you are nuts.

how?

[Nanees]

alpha is nanees a non muslim?

All of you are nuts.

They're insane, or at the very least mentally unstable

[abdisamad3]

^^ he said all of you that includes you too,bitch,

[union]

I was thrown by the rest of the post. I don't see how you would be able to do this given the levels of alcoholism, child abuse, broken families and crimes that are directly linked with the things you wish to allow in your made up country.

One last thing, what about incest? If 2 people where caught and admitted to it what would you do as sole governor?

LOL at your attempt to link alcoholism, child abuse, broken families, crime, incest, moral depravity, etc etc all with the existence of civil liberties. This hogwash you are spreading has no basis in reality, and secular states are no less moral and suffer no greater degree of societal ailments than religious states. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

[Alphanumeric]

alpha is nanees a non muslim?

All of you are nuts.

Lol, throw yourself in with your .gif addiction.

[NoAngst.]

Union has put forth the most eloquent and coherent case for secularism which I support. His detractors on the other hand have been an epic fail. I haven't read every single reply but most of the opposing replies I've read either engaged in logical fallacies or verse quoting. You know, Alshabaab and Al Qaacida also quote verses from the Quran. Alshabaab quotes verses from the Quran when they behead innocent somalis or cut their tongues (pray tell, what in Islam justifies cutting of tongues?) or amputating petty thieves or carrying out suicide bombings or the myriad of other atrocities. All the while, you Ahlu Sunnah Waljameeca who also quote the Quran when the fight Alshabaab. Sunni vs Shia, Salaafi/Wahaabi vs Suufi, non-believers vs believers, etc... in a future Somali/Islamic state, is it fair that the state choose as its official creed one of these opposing creeds/sects? Obviously not. In a secular state, the state would be indifferent between these competing sects, all of them will be allowed to practice their faith as they see fit.

Secularism is the only political system that allows unemcumbered freedom of religion and conscience. All other systems prohibit one form of religion or the other.

[udun]

The overwhelming majority of pedophiles in the west have been proven to be homosexuals by western judicial system, particularly those who molest little boys. There you have why the wickedness of homosexuality was banned in all failths across the world. I remember a Christian priest even qouting the statics and who conducted it on CNN in 2008.

In the current issue of the Christian Research Journal (volume 28/number 02, page 36) it states the following regarding pedophilia and homosexuality.

"The connect between homosexual and pedophilia has long haunded the public consciousness. In response, the gay lobby--as well as important bodies such as the American Psychological Association (APA) --insist that there is no evidence that gays commit pedophilia at a higher rate than do straights.

The argument runs that, on a hand count, cases of hetersexual pedophilia outnumber those of homosexual pedophilia; however, as Yale and Harvard-connected psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover points out,

Cafeful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among homosexuals. The greater absolute number of heterosexuals cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males outnumber homosexual males by approximately thrity-six to one. Heterosexual child molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only eleven to one, implying that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals."

[NoAngst.]

There you have why the wickedness of homosexuality was banned in all failths across the world.

You can't ban what's part and parcel of human nature. Homosexuality is natural affliction found throughout the animila kingdom. Just because you "ban" homosexuality doesn't mean there won't be any homos or sexual deviants.

[abdikarim86]

The problem we have is that we don't really follow islam!
Islam is for Justice, Morality, Property rights, Minority right and the freedom of trading.

The other thing is we are a Muslim people, and chances are we will always be Muslim.
We will always conform to Shareeca from the way we marry to what we consider good manners,
from how we draw up contracts for whatever reason to the way we deal with Law and order.

[NoAngst.]

The problem we have is that we don't really follow islam!

Alshabaab disagrees with you. They claim to follow the one and only pure Islam. The problem for them is most Muslims aren't so enthusiastic about their version of Islam. I wonder why that might be?

[abdikarim86]

Mida kale what on earth happened to the concept of sinning in private?

Nobody can strive for a perfect society, and what we do in private cannot be controlled
whether good or bad.
However the public space is not a place to air your deviant behaviour!!!

[abdikarim86]

The problem we have is that we don't really follow islam!

Alshabaab disagrees with you. They claim to follow the one and only pure Islam. The problem for them is most Muslims aren't so enthusiastic about their version of Islam. I wonder why that might be?

Liberals/Athiests/Deviants (tick the one that applies to you) always love to decieve people don't they?

Who gives a damn about Al shabaab, a bunch of retarded extreme teenagers DO NOT represent Islam!!!!!
Get that in your head yaakhi!!!

[Beenaale_No1]

The problem we have is that we don't really follow islam!

Alshabaab disagrees with you. They claim to follow the one and only pure Islam. The problem for them is most Muslims aren't so enthusiastic about their version of Islam. I wonder why that might be?

Liberals/Athiests/Deviants (tick the one that applies to you) always love to decieve people don't they?

Who gives a damn about Al shabaab, a bunch of retarded extreme teenagers DO NOT represent Islam!!!!!
Get that in your head yaakhi!!!

And someone else will say you don't represent Islam, then what? You see where we are going with this. Everyone believe their own interpretations of religion is the correct one, hence we are going around in circles. Some Muslims even call the Shias gaalo. That's how divided the Muslim world is.