Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen property

[Based]

What do you call civilians killing civilians because they view them to be an enemy? My point was they were not killed for their house but because they were seen as “them”.

Ethnic cleansing.

As for your second point, we're discussing how to return property gained as a result of the "civilian murdering civilian" phenomenon of 1991.

Marka are we talking about the deaths or the property.

It is impossible to separate the two, as one is the direct result of the other. The houses weren't empty because people decided to voluntarily move away.

tbf, I'm not interested in discussing the ethnic cleansing that occurred in Xamar, but more concerned with the alarming number of folks justifying and condoning looting in this thread. If you accept that people were murdered in cold blood by their neighbors and houses were occupied, then we are in agreement.

However, if you're rationalizing ethnic cleansing and the subsequent looting of property by claiming that the government purportedly nationalized riverine farmland and thus houses belong to a specific clan in Mogadishu were also a result of land grabbing (attempting to link two unrelated incidents), then we clearly aren't on the same page.

[greenday]

I dont see what given back the properties has anything to do with the death, we are not talking about compensating the relatives of those killed here.

[Based]

I'm wondering how one can attempt to justify looting property when they already accept that the property is a direct result of ethnic cleansing.

In the op, you posted articles about the last government supposedly stealing land from Bantu farmers in the riverine areas, and somehow segued it into implying property in Xamar owned by Darood was also stolen. If that's not rationalizing the irrational, I don't know what is.

[SultanOrder]

obviously deaths should be put aside, because there is no systematic way to seek justice. As for the property, squatters are evicted, for the legitimate owners. Qabil does not have to be injected into this, as deeds do not belong to qabiils. ICU started the process, and then they were kicked out, now an administration is going to continue the process. Do you think when you go infront of judge to bring your case, he is going to ask you about your qabil?

Now, Greenday's original topic had to do with farms being seized or unjustly ceased. That has nothing to do with xamar. If people have grievances then you should go to court when a proper system is set in place.

[greenday]

I'm wondering how one can attempt to justify looting property when they already accept that the property is a direct result of ethnic cleansing.

In the op, you posted articles about the last government supposedly stealing land from Bantu farmers in the riverine areas, and somehow segued it into implying property in Xamar owned by Darood was also stolen. If that's not rationalizing the irrational, I don't know what is.

I said that since that government is no longer in power and properties will be handed back because things are looking gd, we should look at the unfair nationalisation and the legitimacy of the some owners, marka how does that mean i justified the looting

[XimanJaale]

The civil war did not occur because of class or financial problems. It occured because of Qabyaalad. The idea was clans killing eachother and over-powering eachother. Looting, Raping all came with that.

Everybody's free to claim back their assets let it be a plot of land, a bullet ridden villa/house/business. Etc

BUT

In order for your claims to be legalised and to occur, the capital city needs real stability/governance. Its hard to claim your assets today let it be if your Hawiye/Daarood or other clans.

We have today in Xamar, a Abgaal squatting in Xamarweyne and looting Cadcads assets. We have Habar Gidir's squatting in government buildings, we have Raxanweyne IDP's squatting in public buildings etc.

So first let's fix the capital first before dib uu dejiinta.

Dib uu dejiin waxaa ka horeeyo Dib uu dhis iyo Kaladambeyn.

[FAH1223]

My fam has all our properties back. We about to eat good ma niggas

[SultanOrder]

My fam has all our properties back. We about to eat good ma niggas

did your dad come back?

[FAH1223]

My fam has all our properties back. We about to eat good ma niggas

did your dad come back?

He's been back and he's gonna head out again in April iA

The 1st day he was in Xamar, folks were trying to say one of the houses wasn't his (my awoowe AUN left his property deeds all over Somalia to all his kids). Anyway after a few hours of deliberation and the papers being shoved in faces of folk, he was able to start work on the house and it's going a serious renovation

My dad's uncle just finished renovating a beach side crib earlier this month and is about to make an easy $8k per month

One of my mom's good friends is Marexan and she moved back to Xamar and reclaimed two of her houses. One she lives in, the other she's making a chill $12k per month off of

Qabil is pretty irrelevant, niggas

[SultanOrder]

Thats what some people dont' get. As long as you have papers to prove your rights, then it's a done deal.

[Alphanumeric]

the other she's making a chill $12k per month off of

By using it as a grow-op?

How is that possible by renting it out? Who would pay that? Who would pay $8k? Perhaps there's something I'm missing.

[XimanJaale]

Thats what some people dont' get. As long as you have papers to prove your rights, then it's a done deal.

Say that to Reer Aden Buulle's family and the loss of their father.

It ain't hard to get your property everytime, it depends on the people whom are squatting on it. Dadka wey kala fiican yihin, some will accept and leave and others will accept but refuse to leave and they kill you off or do something else.

[FAH1223]

Alpha, Mogadishu has people with insane amounts of cash. It is utterly ridiculous.

But there are NGOs and businesses that want and need space and will pay a good sum to use your land. You collect and keep a watchful eye.

I couldn't believe it either. But someone offered my dad a couple mil for one of the properties him and his bro share. It's not a joke.

[Alphanumeric]

Noted.

[Voltage]

In hindsight, looking over my recent posts in the topic I believe I was unfair to you Greenday. Xaal qaado walaashiis and to be honest discussions like this serve no purpose except to divide Somalis even more. Justice belongs to everyone and is not partial towards one group. May we all get justice, every single one of us that faced injustice whether yesterday or decades ago.