[quote="union"][quote="BlackVelvet"][quote="union"][quote="BlackVelvet"]
I was thrown by the rest of the post. I don't see how you would be able to do this given the levels of alcoholism, child abuse, broken families and crimes that are directly linked with the things you wish to allow in your made up country.
One last thing, what about incest? If 2 people where caught and admitted to it what would you do as sole governor?[/quote]
LOL at your attempt to link alcoholism, child abuse, broken families, crime, incest, moral depravity, etc etc all with the existence of civil liberties. This hogwash you are spreading has no basis in reality, and secular states are no less moral and suffer no greater degree of societal ailments than religious states. I challenge you to prove otherwise.[/quote]
LOL at you pretending they are not
Alcohol abuse and child abuse link:
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/ ... /52-57.pdf
Alcohol abuse and broken families link:
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docswr/ ... misuse.pdf
Drug abuse, child abuse, broken families, incest, delinquent behaviour, moral depravity and crime link:
http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
They are all connected, society is a fabric and if you pull on one thread long enough everything starts to unravel. Having ready access to alcohol, drugs, pornography etc leads to drug abuse, moral depravity, abuse, crime etc.
The number of child abuse cases in The Netherlands in 2005: 107,200 Population: 16,531,294
Source:
http://www.youthpolicy.nl/youthpolicy/F ... 0Abuse.pdf
The number of child abuse cases in Malaysia in 2004: 1,656 Population: 27,467,837
Source:
http://www.unicef.org/malaysia/media_5911.html
Anyway this is not really about me trying to convince you of anything. I am genuinely trying to figure out how liberal you are in your live and let live motto of governance. So incest, you didn't answer the question. Logically they are doing no wrong, they are harming no one if it is a consensual relationship between 2 adults. It is a way a minority of the human population chooses to express their love and sexuality. So what say you?[/quote]
Blackvelvet, depriving people of their personal liberties will not result in the elimination of social ailments. Nations such as Saudi Arabia with highly restrictive laws that ban alcohol, pornography, and many other “immoral” aspects of human leisure still suffer from high rates of child abuse, teenage hooliganism, domestic violence, etc etc. Do you know that a recent study has shown that nearly 70% of text message traffic in Saudi Arabia contains pornographic material? The Saudi government has failed miserably in its attempt to legislate morality. On the other side of the world there is Denmark, a nation that values and protects the civil liberties of man and citizen, and it is considered one of the very best nations to live and raise children. It boosts low rates of crime, low rates of violence, and generally Danes are very happy and content with their society. Governments are more effective when they steer away from the messy business of legislating morals, and focus on protecting the wellbeing of their citizens. Instead of advocating for the impractical banning of alcohol based upon moral considerations, why don’t you advocate for the implementation of laws that protect people from alcoholics, such as those in place in the Western world? If someone drinks their heart away in their own home, I don’t give a rat’s ass. However if an alcoholic abuses children or drives and endangers the lives of other citizens, that is when the state should step in. And for someone so seemingly enchanted with the idea of moderation, I think you will agree that is the best approach, isn’t that so?
Furthermore, I see you have moved on from homosexuality to incest. For someone so concerned about the moral state of society, you certainly have strange fascinations. In cases of parent/child incest they can never be consensual. Coercion is inherent in every single one of these cases, as a parent exerts great control and influence of his/her children. Cases of parent/child incest are always considered rape. For other cases of incest, such as between brother and sister and cousins, there is also an element of coercion (not as strong as between parent/child) and the state also has an interest in banning these relationships as they pose a threat to society for obvious reasons.[/quote]
