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[TheMailMan]

mrdegdeg the problem is they can't accept that Africa is a diverse place and they attribute slight differences in aesthetic to "admixture". That's what screams identity crisis, intolerance and insecurity. Not only for Somalis but for those making these erroneous claims about their progeny and look.

I totally agree bro.

The Somalis who promote that they are "Arab" have a deep inferiority complex.

But so do the Somalis who promote that they're "Madow"

We are neither. We are neither Arab nor are we Madow. We are a Horn African people and we have nothing to do with either of them. It isn't that difficult to understand.

[Sophisticate]

mrdegdeg the problem is they can't accept that Africa is a diverse place and they attribute slight differences in aesthetic to "admixture". That's what screams identity crisis, intolerance and insecurity. Not only for Somalis but for those making these erroneous claims about their progeny and look.

I totally agree bro.

The Somalis who promote that they are "Arab" have a deep inferiority complex.

But so do the Somalis who promote that they're "Madow"

We are neither. We are neither Arab nor are we Madow. We are a Horn African people and we have nothing to do with either of them. It isn't that difficult to understand.

I also ascribe to the notion of being Somali above all other made up social distinctions. I get where both you and Maliprince are coming from. Maliprince wants to bridge commonalities between people. That's nice, especially when you are a minority in the diaspora. Linking hands with other highly myelinated people is fine and dandy when it comes to large scale issues (systemic racism) that impact all parties concerned, but I realize as an ethnocultural group we also have challenges that greatly impact us more or are unique to us alone. I understand my priorities when working in the pluralistic nation that live. I don't see identity as clear cut but something fluid and political. I can be black/African when the moment presents itself. I'm sure a lot of Somalis have claimed school funding classing themselves under that umbrella. I also don't hate people or generalize them as [all degenerates]. Paying attention to semantics is important. Bro, you don't have to hate on other people to indicate your self-love (as a Somali). Force of habit I get it, Somalis have an inflated sense of self-importance, we just need to tame that a bit when dealing with others.

I also understand where you are coming from with Bantu people. I will use words that are somewhat agreed upon. Cushtic and Nilotic people have been warring for millenia. Bantus came recently to East and South Africa (less than 1000 yrs ago). Before that time they were isolated from those areas for upwards of 30,000 years. This is due to the split you mentioned. In any case the Nilotes and Bantu have fought many times along with the Cushities and Bantu. There is an animosity between these groups. *I get that.* Africans barely get along. And many Africans are rather socially endogamous and sparingly marry other groups. The thing is I don't expect Europeans to know or understand this dynamic because they are a mixed group of people that have less diversity than two Nigerians from Lagos. They wouldn't understand. I do think Africans could benefit from better trading relationships though. The bottom line is important.I care not for black or white but green.

P.S - I'm a female.

[TheMailMan]

Yes I totally understand. Africans can cooperate when it comes to regional issues that affect us both, and we can form trading relationships, but that's it. Africans are not "the same" in the same way Asians aren't the same. You will never see an Indian grouping himself in with a Burmese, even though they share the same continent. You'll never see a Vietnamese person group himself in with a Mongolian or a Kazakh person, even though they're both "Asian"

Africa should be no exception. The problem started when we had African-American professors in the United States (with very little knowledge of Africa at all) promoting this "Africa is One" theory, and they had a very distorted and naive view of the continent, not realizing that the difference between a Somali and a Bantu is vastly greater than the difference between an Italian and a Norwegian.

The Bantus have only arrived in East Africa fairly recently, within the last 1000 years. I agree. What I'm trying to prevent, is a "2nd Bantu expansion" where they absorb Somalia and Ethiopia and "Bantuize" our people, thereby erasing our unique characteristics and making us one of them. I love my people enough to want to preserve them, and I'm proud of my Somali history and what we've achieved. We don't need to group ourselves in with people who aren't even related to us. We can stand on our own, and take care of ourselves. We are Somalis. Let the Bantus stay in their part of Africa. And we Cushites will stay in our part of Africa.

I don't "hate" Madow people abaayo. I hate their culture. I think their culture of "gangsterism" and disrespecting women is a destructive culture. And anytime a Black person such as Charles Barkley or Pharrell Williams tries to criticize this "gangsta culture"....they're immediately labeled as an "Uncle Tom" or as a "coon" by the majority of the African-American people. These people are beyond help. Even when you try to give them constructive advice to change themselves, they ignore it and have the nerve to say "Oh you're just an Uncle Tom sellout! You can't tell me what to do!"......at least when you tell a Somali, "Warya, go do something with your life and make something of yourself"....the Somali will nod his head and silently agree. This isn't "hate"...this is reality. These people don't want to help themselves. They'd rather sit on their ass and complain and blame Whitey all the time. That's why everyone is winning in America except them. Even the Asians and Arabs and Hispanics are making money and prospering, while these Adones sit on their asses and complain and have this "woe is me" attitude.....They don't deserve respect.

[mrdegdeg]

Yes I totally understand. Africans can cooperate when it comes to regional issues that affect us both, and we can form trading relationships, but that's it. Africans are not "the same" in the same way Asians aren't the same. You will never see an Indian grouping himself in with a Burmese, even though they share the same continent. You'll never see a Vietnamese person group himself in with a Mongolian or a Kazakh person, even though they're both "Asian"

Africa should be no exception. The problem started when we had African-American professors in the United States (with very little knowledge of Africa at all) promoting this "Africa is One" theory, and they had a very distorted and naive view of the continent, not realizing that the difference between a Somali and a Bantu is vastly greater than the difference between an Italian and a Norwegian.

The Bantus have only arrived in East Africa fairly recently, within the last 1000 years. I agree. What I'm trying to prevent, is a "2nd Bantu expansion" where they absorb Somalia and Ethiopia and "Bantuize" our people, thereby erasing our unique characteristics and making us one of them. I love my people enough to want to preserve them, and I'm proud of my Somali history and what we've achieved. We don't need to group ourselves in with people who aren't even related to us. We can stand on our own, and take care of ourselves. We are Somalis. Let the Bantus stay in their part of Africa. And we Cushites will stay in our part of Africa.

I don't "hate" Madow people abaayo. I hate their culture. I think their culture of "gangsterism" and disrespecting women is a destructive culture. And anytime a Black person such as Charles Barkley or Pharrell Williams tries to criticize this "gangsta culture"....they're immediately labeled as an "Uncle Tom" or as a "coon" by the majority of the African-American people. These people are beyond help. Even when you try to give them constructive advice to change themselves, they ignore it and have the nerve to say "Oh you're just an Uncle Tom sellout! You can't tell me what to do!"......at least when you tell a Somali, "Warya, go do something with your life and make something of yourself"....the Somali will nod his head and silently agree. This isn't "hate"...this is reality. These people don't want to help themselves. They'd rather sit on their ass and complain and blame Whitey all the time. That's why everyone is winning in America except them. Even the Asians and Arabs and Hispanics are making money and prospering, while these Adones sit on their asses and complain and have this "woe is me" attitude.....They don't deserve respect.

Sxb relax yourself!! Some of the stuff you're writing could be easily mistaken for shit you see on stormfront. Whatever happens is up to God anyway and the way you are talking is not only racist but un-Islamic. Nothing wrong with preserving your culture and identity but tone down on the hatred sxb.

[jalaaludin5]

Is this still going on.

Soomaalidu talow ma ...?...bah

[Lancer]

bump

[thehappyone]

bump?? 18 pages?? Mods lock this thread, it's embarrassing

[Lancer]

bump?? 18 pages?? Mods lock this thread, it's embarrassing

NEVER!!!! This thread will keep on going until we figure out who we really are!!!! BANTU???XABASHI???KUSHITIC???BANU HASHIMITES???

[LobsterUnit]

Horta somaliwaste waayo?

[TheMailMan]

NEVER!!!! This thread will keep on going until we figure out who we really are!!!! BANTU???XABASHI???KUSHITIC???BANU HASHIMITES???

There's no argument at all that Somalis are even related to Bantus. We're not. Everyone on this thread already agreed to that. We're not Arabs either.

We're closely related to the Oromos and Afars. This is indisputable and every single person on this forum agrees with that.

[Twist]

NEVER!!!! This thread will keep on going until we figure out who we really are!!!! BANTU???XABASHI???KUSHITIC???BANU HASHIMITES???

There's no argument at all that Somalis are even related to Bantus. We're not. Everyone on this thread already agreed to that. We're not Arabs either.

We're closely related to the Oromos and Afars. This is indisputable and every single person on this forum agrees with that.

Yes, sir! Who can even dare to disagree with you & your extensive insight about everything Somali?

[MaliPrince]

And BTW, this MaliPrince guy just LOVES to cite the Maasai as an "example" of how Somalis are related to Madows. He's being knowingly manipulative....since the Maasai are most definitely mixed with Somali and Oromos.

That is why when you look at a Maasai man, he often resembles Somalis in many aspects, and this is because of their Cushitic admixture. But you conveniently mentioned that part out. The existence of the Maasai prove my point even more thoroughly, that we Somalis are completely distinct and do not fall under the same category as a Bantu. I personally did a DNA test not too long ago, and I have zero Bantu DNA. Zero Bantu DNA. And the vast majority of those who live in Somalia either carry the E1B1B1 genetic haplogroup or the T haplogroup.

So I'm being manipulative by citing the Maasai but your not by continually mentioning the Berbers? I never denied that the Maasai are a people of mixed Cushitic and Nilotic ancestry. The only reason I mentioned the Maasai was point out your HYPOCRISY. You seemed keen to mention the Berbers and some southern europeans who also have E1b1b ancestry but convieniently overlooked the Maasai (who on average carry it at about 50%). Why do you NEVER include them in your list of folks we are related to?

There is no difference between the Maasai and the Berbers. Both are partially related to us and partially NOT. The Berbers have significant European ancestry hence the reason many of them look white. And the Maasai have significant Nilotic ancestry hence the reason many look like the Southern Sudanese. I simply cited them to expose your MANIPULATION.

[Malachite]

Horta somaliwaste waayo?

He got banned

http://somaliwebb.com/forum/index.php?topic=14.0

[MaliPrince]

That's exactly what I'm saying saaxib. The difference between an Italian and a Norwegian is minimal. The difference between a Vietnamese and a Korean is minimal.

But the difference between a Somali and a Bantu is enormous. We Somalis are FAR MORE closely related to Ethiopians, but yet for some reason "MaliPrince" is invested in trying to group Somalis in with Bantus by any means necessary, thereby erasing our very real differences with them.

We don't even come under the same umbrella as the Bantus. The Maasai people in Kenya look different simply because they're mixed with Somali. Yet you choose to ignore that. In fact, the existence of the Maasai prove my point even more; that the Somalis are very different from these Bantu people.

When have I ever tried to claim that we are not closesly related to the Ethiopians. Our closest relatives are the other Cushitic speaking tribes in the Horn and the Habesha. Everyone knows the Afar, Oromo, and Rendille are our closest relatives. My only point when it comes to the Bantu is that they are closer to us than we are to the Europeans or Asians. You keep trying to act like we are as distant from them as the Europeans or Asians are from us or one another. When that is not true at all. We are more closesly related to the Bantu than we are to the Europeans. And we are more closesly related to the Bantu than we are to the Asians. That was my only point. I never said we were closer to bantu than our cushitic neighbours. That would be retarded.

E1b1b (the Somali genetic marker) is the brother of E1b1a (the Bantu genetic marker). You can keep focusing on the fact they are different but the fact still remains both are descended from E-P2. Thus both are more closesly related to one another than either haplogroup is to any other haplogroup found inside or outside africa. So you can hate it all you want, but out of all human beings on earth that don't also have E1b1b, the bantu are your closest relatives.

The Maasai are mixed with Somali. But so are the Berbers. They are essentially the result of a Somali man and a European woman. And if you've ever seen a mixed Somali with a white mom, you'd know they look alot like the light skin berbers we see in many of those north african countries.

[MaliPrince]

mrdegdeg the problem is they can't accept that Africa is a diverse place and they attribute slight differences in aesthetic to "admixture". That's what screams identity crisis, intolerance and insecurity. Not only for Somalis but for those making these erroneous claims about their progeny and look.

I totally agree bro.

The Somalis who promote that they are "Arab" have a deep inferiority complex.

But so do the Somalis who promote that they're "Madow"

We are neither. We are neither Arab nor are we Madow. We are a Horn African people and we have nothing to do with either of them. It isn't that difficult to understand.

do you not see the HUGE difference between the two? Arab is an ethnicity while Madow is a color. If you had Somalis running around saying we are Bantu, then you would have a point. But there is no equivalency between claiming to be Arab (which can qualitatively be proven false) and saying your black (when most of the rest of the world already sees you as that). Hell there are many Arabs who are also black. Look no further than the entire nation of Sudan.

I'm sorry walaal but you're making no sense. Being an arab is based on the language and culture. If Somalis spoke arabic then maybe they would have a point. But we don't. Hence the reason its foolish to claim to be Arab. However, being black is simply based on the society you live in. And whether you like it or not, in the West, Somalis are viewed as "Madow."