Muslims for Progressive Values

[Alchemist]

[Samatr]

1. Identity: We accept as Muslim anyone who identifies as such. The veracity and integrity of that claim is between the individual and God, and is not a matter for the state nor an issue which other individuals can or should judge.

2. Equality: We affirm the equal worth of all human beings, regardless of race, sex, gender, ethnicity, nationality, creed, sexual orientation, or ability. We are committed to work toward societies that ensure social, political, educational, and economic opportunities for all.

3. Separation of Religious and State Authorities: We believe that freedom of conscience is not only essential to all human societies but integral to the Qur'anic view of humanity. We believe that secular government is the only way to achieve the Islamic ideal of freedom from compulsion in matters of faith.

4. Freedom of Speech: We support freedom of expression and freedom of dissent, whether political, artistic, social or religious, even when that expression may be offensive and that dissent may be considered blasphemous. No one should be legally prosecuted, imprisoned or detained for declaring or promoting unpopular opinions.

5. Universal Human Rights: We affirm our commitment to social, economic and environmental justice. We believe that the full self-realization of all people, in a safe and sustainable world, is a prerequisite for freedom, civility, and peace. We support efforts for universal health care, universal public education, the protection of our environment, and the eradication of poverty.

6. Women’s Rights: We support women’s agency and self-determination in every aspect of their lives. We believe in women’s full participation in society at every level. We affirm our commitment to reproductive justice and empowering women to make healthy decisions regarding their bodies, sexuality and reproduction.

7. LGBTQ Rights: We endorse the human and civil rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and queer (LGBTIQ) individuals. We support full equality and inclusion of all individuals, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, in society and in the Muslim community. We affirm our commitment to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

8. Critical Analysis and Interpretation: We call for critical engagement with Islamic scripture, traditional jurisprudence, and current Muslim discourses. We believe that critical thinking is essential to spiritual development. We promote interpretations that reflect basic Qur'anic principles of tolerance, inclusiveness, mercy, compassion, and fairness.

9. Compassion: We affirm that justice and compassion should be the guiding principles for all aspects of human conduct. We repudiate militarism and violence, whether on an individual, organizational, or national level.

10. Diversity: We embrace religious pluralism and the diversity of inspirations that motivate people to embrace social justice. We believe that one's religion is not the exclusive source of truth. As such, we will engage with a diversity of philosophical and spiritual traditions in pursuit of a more just, peaceful and sustainable world.

http://www.mpvusa.org/our_principles.html

Do you honestly believe your so called progressive values will hold any weight that day you will be in front of God?
I may not be the most religious person but I think it's disgusting to try and change and mold the religion so you can do as you wish without having any guilt, but most of these so called progressive/moderate Muslims know they are wrong but then again if you tell yourself a lie enough times you end up believing it.
this reminds me of some sheekh a while back that said you can smoke tobacco when your fasting, and those who believed him did so for their own reasons.

[union]

If you are willing to put aside Islam and why it needs to be changed to be more inclusive of men who dress like women or men and women who want to change their gender or sleep with the same sex or how it is okay for Muslims to get drunk in their own homes and why we as Muslims should develop progressive values that embrace these "wonderful" traits in society we can discuss the simple math problem you seem unable to solve.

If 1,656 is only 10% of X, what is X?

Why that’s already happening. Iran’s Islamic government sanctions transgender operations and even finances them. Do you think your interpretation of Islam is the only one? Dozens of sects from Ahmediyya to shiaism to wahabism. Islam is not uniform now and never will be. I am saying that everyone should live their life how they want to live it and let God be the Judge, not blackvelet nor anyone else.

BTW, clinging on to a stupid argument after it has been proven to be incorrect and regurgitating fallacy after fallacy diminishes your overall seriousness.

[union]

1. Identity: We accept as Muslim anyone who identifies as such. The veracity and integrity of that claim is between the individual and God, and is not a matter for the state nor an issue which other individuals can or should judge.

2. Equality: We affirm the equal worth of all human beings, regardless of race, sex, gender, ethnicity, nationality, creed, sexual orientation, or ability. We are committed to work toward societies that ensure social, political, educational, and economic opportunities for all.

3. Separation of Religious and State Authorities: We believe that freedom of conscience is not only essential to all human societies but integral to the Qur'anic view of humanity. We believe that secular government is the only way to achieve the Islamic ideal of freedom from compulsion in matters of faith.

4. Freedom of Speech: We support freedom of expression and freedom of dissent, whether political, artistic, social or religious, even when that expression may be offensive and that dissent may be considered blasphemous. No one should be legally prosecuted, imprisoned or detained for declaring or promoting unpopular opinions.

5. Universal Human Rights: We affirm our commitment to social, economic and environmental justice. We believe that the full self-realization of all people, in a safe and sustainable world, is a prerequisite for freedom, civility, and peace. We support efforts for universal health care, universal public education, the protection of our environment, and the eradication of poverty.

6. Women’s Rights: We support women’s agency and self-determination in every aspect of their lives. We believe in women’s full participation in society at every level. We affirm our commitment to reproductive justice and empowering women to make healthy decisions regarding their bodies, sexuality and reproduction.

7. LGBTQ Rights: We endorse the human and civil rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, and queer (LGBTIQ) individuals. We support full equality and inclusion of all individuals, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, in society and in the Muslim community. We affirm our commitment to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

8. Critical Analysis and Interpretation: We call for critical engagement with Islamic scripture, traditional jurisprudence, and current Muslim discourses. We believe that critical thinking is essential to spiritual development. We promote interpretations that reflect basic Qur'anic principles of tolerance, inclusiveness, mercy, compassion, and fairness.

9. Compassion: We affirm that justice and compassion should be the guiding principles for all aspects of human conduct. We repudiate militarism and violence, whether on an individual, organizational, or national level.

10. Diversity: We embrace religious pluralism and the diversity of inspirations that motivate people to embrace social justice. We believe that one's religion is not the exclusive source of truth. As such, we will engage with a diversity of philosophical and spiritual traditions in pursuit of a more just, peaceful and sustainable world.

http://www.mpvusa.org/our_principles.html

Do you honestly believe your so called progressive values will hold any weight that day you will be in front of God?
I may not be the most religious person but I think it's disgusting to try and change and mold the religion so you can do as you wish without having any guilt, but most of these so called progressive/moderate Muslims know they are wrong but then again if you tell yourself a lie enough times you end up believing it.
this reminds me of some sheekh a while back that said you can smoke tobacco when your fasting, and those who believed him did so for their own reasons.

Of course I think it will hold weight before God, otherwise I wouldn't be promoting them.

[Samatr]

^Something tells me your lying
it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.....

[union]

You just watch as the progressive values I am promoting slowly but surely become dominant.

[Samatr]

Yeah something tells me red wine with a pasta dinner is what you consider progressive
you remind of this buddy of mine, I always tell him war iska cadayso, intaad diinta ku ciyaarayso.