Intellectual question: Gaalshireedle-Majeerteen rivalry.

[Luq_Ganane]

Wow this is a good lively debate between ehel. First, a big point of contention is this whole 'You guys used hawiye, and we didn't'. First of all isn't it a GOOD THING, if Hawiye are divided? AY was very smart, in using Salad Jalle to incite Abgal/Sacad animosity. Infact, from a intellectual standpoint, I even give AY credit for sewing discord between Hawiye. Now let me discuss the whole Marehan/Cayr connection like this. Fresh off annhiliating Caydiid in Gedo (Wounding him) killing his commander, and coining a new town called 'Lafo Hawiye', Marehan had a civil war among themselves in Gedo. Around this time Morgan, tried to use this to his advantage, and take adavantage of the few marehan in Kismayo. The Marehan in Galgudud, decided to take Kismayo, but didn't want to get weakened along the way to Kismayo fighting our whipping boys Saleban and Sacad. So yes, we used Cayr to betray theie Habar Gidir brothers, and allow us to go through their lands unscathed. This made the other HG FURIOUS at Cayr, even to this day. And now, we indeed are using Sheikhal and Galjeceel, against AY and his Abgal lapdogs. So now you basically have all Hawiye playing on opposite sides, due to MJ/MR maneuvering. Isn't that a GOOD thing?

Now for all this talk about 'Dawlad' 'Dawlad'. First of all there is about a 10% chance this whole dawlad thing is going to work anyway. Secondly, even if it does, read the TFG charter. It supports Federalsim hence (Jubbaland/Puntland). Secondly, do not EVER mention that you guys helped us just as much as we did. That is an insult to all of the Sades who died protecting MJ's. Infact, Marehan is the most resiliant and tough qabil in Somalia. The whole country turned against us, including YOU, and here we are controlling the most fertile, and one of the most strategic areas in Somalia. Don't forget that SSDF COLLABORATED with Caydiid, and it was their plan that, MJ attack from the North, Jess from the west, Hutus from Shabeelaha. It was when Caydiid TURNED on Mj's that, they came back to our side. Infact my cousin from Xamar, tells me stories how when the Hutus were coming to Xamar, MJ's were smiling and saying 'Don't worry, there coming for Marehan, not MJ's'. What happend? MJ's were slaughtered in Xamar like dogs. Infact at one point BOTH you AND OG's were helping Caydiid, and both of you guys got betrayed by him. However I will give your Harti brothers Dhulbahante, a Sade medal of honour for fighting alongside Sade couregeously. Lelkasse too.

Anyway, whats done is done. I don't see the point of holding grudges and reliving history too much. The bottom line is today we are in Kismayo, and MJ's want to get Kismayo. As Sades, we don't need ANYBODYS help in keeping the city. The only reason Sheikhals and Galjeels are treated nice under us, is because, they've been in that area a looong time, and out of respect. Also they do a good job of keeping the OG's in check in the badiyo. As for all of this talk of 'Marehan died with Siad Barre (AUN) etc.', sure Marehan ruling over all of Somalia may have died. But I don't think there is any qabil today in a better position.

[Boqor__Daarod]

do you want the truth. we merahan will not move one inch unless you share half half with the goverment

[Spragga Benz]

Luq,


I see it as an insult if you deny how hard Majeerteen have fought against the Hawiye thugs in Xamar when they ousted our late president Siyaad Barre AUN. We might have thought that the USC was after the dowlad, but as soon as we realized that it was an attack on Siyaad Barre, not because he was dowlad but because he was Daarood, we have done our fair share of the fighting.

Had the late president been alive, he would confirm that the Majeerteen fought alongside the Mareexaan like lions and the SSDF vs Dowlad bullshit was long albeit gone, in those turbulent days Siyaad Barre was the accepted leader of Daarood. The only Daaroods that rejected him and betrayed him were the Maxamed Zubeyr under Caydiid's private cum bucket named Axmed Cumar Jees. Daayeerkaas si xun ayuu inoo luggooyey.


You may admit that Mareexaan will never be close to the same position as during Barre era, but I do have to disagree with the Mareexaan being in the best position in Somalia today. Like I said there's no need for chestbeating. The Majeerteen and Habar Awal are in an extremely more comfortable and stable position than the Mareexaan.



[quote="Padishah"]This is exaclty what I was talking about. You've reduced yourselves to petty squabbles of who owns what, who can conquer what, and on whos unilateral conditions are to be accepted or not, whose ruining whose name and who used who against the other. Is there some benefit to be gained from rehashing the same old arguments?

Are we here to discuss a suitable compromise that will deprive both groups of something in order to secure Peace and its ensuant prosperity, or not?[/quote]

It has become apparent that no compromise can be reached. The Mareexaan support the idea of dominating the city's maamul, and are merely ready to throw us some leftovers. We will never accept that and they have the Absame to deal with as well. Haughtiness will bring any man down.

I'm very confident about the Kismaayo issue. We'll see how Kista will look like a year from now.



So much has happened the last 6 months. If a Somali man today wakes up from a year long coma, he would land back into coma after an hour browsing his favorite Somali newssites regardless of his qabiil.

[Luq_Ganane]

Spragga, I'm not saying mj's didn't fight alongside MR's. However when they finally realized what USC was about, it was too late. All of the hurt and anguish MJ's suffered as a result, was of their own doing, because they were instrumental in setting up the conditions for Jalle Siad to be overthrown. Yes MJ's helped Marehan, but not by any means did you 'save us, or Jalle Siyad'. It was Dhulbahante and MR ONLY that got out of Xamar and went to Gedo. Mj's joined in in Afgoi, and only then did they fight hard. Everything else, I agree with where your pretty much saying there is no solution to this. Again, as Marehan we believe in dawladnimo. There was a golden oppritunity where MJ/MR were controlling Kismayo after the ICU. Again MJ's, abused their power and MR's took action. It is MJ's who have proven they don't want to share.

[sadeboi]

Zack and spragga how do you expect peace when your clan writes this BS?

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KISMAAYO: Maxay shacabka Waamo ka mudan yihiin 3 xubnood oo reer Gal-gaduud ah oo Kismaayo gudaheeda ka gaystay dabar-goynta shacabka Waamo.
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Kismaayo: (pp) - Shirar is dabajooga iyo xog aruurin ay sameeyeen aqoonyahanka Beesha Hartiga ee ku nool magaalada Kismaayo ayaa Puntlandpost u sheegay in sadex nin oo Reer Gal-gaduud ah oo ka mid ahaa maleeshiyadii dooxada Juba ee kal hore bur-burtay oo kismaayo ganacsi ka samaystay tan iyo intii ay gacanta ku dhigeen magaalada Kismaayo Sanadkii 1999-kii.ayaa waxaa la cadeeyey in magaalada kismaayo ay ka geysteen dhibaatooyin lama ilaawaan ah oo isugu jira bara kicin, shirqool dil iyo hanti kala wareegid, Waxaa kaloo nimankan lagu cadeeyeen inay ka danbeeyeen fikirkii ahaa kala wareegida dadka deegaanka guryahooda oo ay si toosa ay ugu dhaxal wareejiyeen dad ay ka keeneen Galgaduud oo u badan beesha Reer Diini oo uu ka soo jeedo Barre Hiiraalle oo ah hada ah xildhibaan ka tirsan DFKS.

Sadexda nin ayaa waxaa magacyadooda lagu sheegay:

1- Daa'uud Mahad Dirir

2- C/risiqaaq Faarax Taano
3- C/laahi Xaashi (oo isagana ah maareeyaha shirkada taleefanka ee Hormuud)

Warbixinta aan xiganay ayaa sheegaysa in " nimankan ay si tooska ah u fulin jireen amarada ka yimaada horjoogeyaashii Dooxada Juba ay kamid ahaayeen Barre Hiiraalle , Seeraar, iyo Goobaalle.

Nimankan ayaa la sheegay inay guryo gaaraya 246 guri oo u badan guryo filooyin ah inay xoog u gala wareegeen qaar kamida Beelaha Hartiga iyo Absamaha oo ay kamid yihiin Wabeeneeye, Dhulbahante, Ciise Maxamuud, Cusmaan Maxamuud, Ugaar Saleebaan , Cali Saleebaan, Sawaaqaroon, iyo Amaanle, Warsangeli, Kaskiqabe, iyo Dashiishe iyo Beesha Reer Cabdille ( Maxamed Subeer) . Sida xaqiiqda ah guryahan ay nimanka kor ku xusan ay horay u boobeen ayaa waxaa gacanta dadkii lahaa lagu soo celiyey waqtigii ay maxaakiimtu ay gacanta ku dhigeen magaalada Kismaayo ayna dadkii shacabka ahaa oo gumaysiga ku jiray ay xaq u heleen inay dib loogu soo celiyo guryahoodii iyo wixii muuqday hantiyihii kale ee laga dhacay.
Maadaama boobkii iyo Barakicii xooga ahaa ay ka qabowdaseen beelaha ku nool magaalada Kismaayo, hadana waxay 3 dan nin si toosa u soo celiyeen inay si hoose u ugaarsadaan dadka jagooyinka ka haya dowlada iyo kuwa u shaqeeya hay'adaha, waxayna dilkii ugu horeeyey ku fuliyeen 1-dii Juun ee la soo dhaafay laguna qaarijiyey Col. Marxuum Makhtal Faarax Gaagaab oo ahaa taliyihii Nabadsugidda Degmada Kismaayo, isagoo xilligaas ku sii jeeday gurigiisa oo ku yaalla xaafadda Calanley ee Degmada Kismaayo ayaa waxaa la daba dhigay 3 nin oo ka tirsan Jilibka (Reer Diini) Mareexaan oo madaxa loo soo duubay kaddibna nimankaasi ay fuliyeen dilka marxuumka.

Warbixin kale oo la hubo ayaa waxay kaloo sheegaysaa inay nimankani ay ka danbeeyeen dilkii Dr. Ciise Cabdi Ciise oo 15-kii bishii Maarso isla sanadkan dilkiisa laga fuliyey magaalada Muqdisho kaddib markii ay ka qayb-qaadeen dilka aqoonyahankaas niman isugu jira Jilibka (Reer diini) Mareexaan iyo maleeshiyo kale oo ka tirsan Jilibka Cayr oo ay 3-dan ay wada shaqaysan jireen. Aqoonyahankan ayaa ka soo jeeday deegaanka Jamaame , wuxuuna u dhashay Beesha Ciise Maxamuud ee wax ka degta deegaanka Waamo.

Waxaa kaloo aqoonyahanka warbxintan soo gaarsiiyey Puntlandpost ay sheegeen in nimankani ay si toosa uga danbeeyeen dagaal 30-kii April lagu qaaday deegaanka Kudhaa oo ay hanti ay ku haysteen qaar kamida beelaha Hartiga si loo soo dhaco , ayaa waxaa halkaas ka dhashay dagaal qaraar oo lagu soo jeebiyey kooxihii ay halkaas ay u direen , loogana dilay ilaa 12 maleeshiyo oo beeshooda ka tirsan. Sababta jaziiradaas dagaalka loogu qaaday ayuu wuxuu la xiriiray kaddib markii nimankani ay ogaadeen in deegaankaas ay ku sugan yihiin dad degaanka u dhashay oo aad u hubaysan , ayna dantoodu ay ahayd oo kaliya inay hanti meeshaa taalay soo bililiqaystaan hubka ay haystaana dadka kasoo qaataan.

Waxay 3-dan nin iyo Mooryaanta taageerta iska dhaadhiciyeen dadkana ay rabaan inay ka dhaadhiciyaan inay deegaanka wax ka leeyihiin, Laakiinse dadka deegaanka Waamo waxay ku noqotay wax la yaab leh oo dadku waxay leeyihiin Abooweyaalow may sheegtaan Dekeda iyo garoonka Diyaaradaha Kismaayo taasaaba uga weyne........, maadaama Walaalaha galgaduud ay 8-dii sano u danbaysay ay gacanta ku haayeen magaalada Kismaayo. Dhanka kale hadii la fiiriyo oo beentooda la dhegaysto haday deegaanka wax ka degaan, markii ay maxkamadaha Kismaayo soo galeen maxay Beerxaani u dhaafeen oo Gedo u tageen?, waa iyaga istaagi waayey ilaa Baardheere, taasi waxay calaamad u tahay inaysan deegaan wax ku lahayn.

Waxaan kaloo aan wax ka xusaynaa dagaalka ka socda Beerxaani. Horta aan barano Beerxaani , Beerxaani waxay ku taalaa Koonfurta Kismaayo waxayna ku taal dhulka loo yaqaan Wayaanta , waxaana deegaankaas taariikhda waamo marla laga hadlaayo looyaqaan inay leedahay beesha Gaaljecel, taasi mid hadal ka taagan yahay maahan, waxaase dagaalka Keenay kaddib markii dooxda Jubba ama Walaalaha Gal-gaduud sida qof walbaa u yaqaan, ay ku heshiiyeen in galgaduud dadka laga keeno la dejiyo deegaankaas , taasna waa tan maanta keentay in Gaaljecelku ay mindidooda galka kala baxaan si ay uga xoreeyaan mooryaanta galgaduud. Hadaba su'aasha isweydiinta leh waxay tahay dhul soo jireen ah ma lagu qabsan karaa 8 sano mudo ka yar oo gacanta lagu haayey magaalada Kismaayo, mase la sheegan karaa mudo ku siman 8 sano oo xoog , Barakicin iyo xasuuqba loo geystay dadka deegaanadaas degenaa.

Warbixinta la soo gaarsiiyey Puntlandpost ayaa ah mid aan intan ku koobnayn , ee waxaan gadaal ka soo sheegi doonaa dilalka qorsheysan ee ay nimankani ku fuliyeen dad u dhashay deegaanka Jubada Hoose tan iyo intii ay gacanta ku hayeen waqtigii Dooxada Juba , iyo ka gadaal intii dhidibada loo taagay DFKS.

[zackabdul]

sadeboi,

You can't defend the perpetrators unless you are with them 24/7.. but I think I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt since this is from puntlandpost...

[Xamud.]

Nice thread! Even tho am neither Marexaan or Majerteen. I think your relationship is what we call a "love and hate relationship" eitherway they should see the light soon and leave it as it is. One can not be in charge all the time and they should give each other a break.

[zackabdul]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Now for all this talk about 'Dawlad' 'Dawlad'. First of all there is about a 10% chance this whole dawlad thing is going to work anyway.[/quote]

So how are we suppose to get anywhere with an attitude like that? Regardless if we have ET support or not, sxb this is better then anything and this is only the start. Inshallah we will never leave Muqdishu because the last time we did we payed a terrible price for it, almost two decades without a government! Somalia became the only failed state in this world because the Hawiye couldn't negotiate and reach an agreement..

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="zackabdul"][quote="Luq_Ganane"]Now for all this talk about 'Dawlad' 'Dawlad'. First of all there is about a 10% chance this whole dawlad thing is going to work anyway.[/quote]

So how are we suppose to get anywhere with an attitude like that? Regardless if we have ET support or not, sxb this is better then anything and this is only the start. Inshallah we will never leave Muqdishu because the last time we did we payed a terrible price for it, almost two decades without a government! Somalia became the only failed state in this world because the Hawiye couldn't negotiate and reach an agreement..[/quote]

Zack,

The reason why I'm saying what I'm saying, is due to your Kinsmen, having no interest in power sharing, and choosing to go tit for tat with Sade, instead of approaching us in a fair manner, and honestly trying to broker a fair deal. You guys tried to strong arm us in Kismayo, and thats not going to work. Yes we do believe in Dawladnimo, but under certain conditions. Do whatever you want to Hutus in Xamar, but don't come to Kismayo and think the same will happen.

[zackabdul]

You can't put the blame on all of the Majeerteen for Afgadud's actions. The man is missing a few screws.. he started something he couldn't finish. I heard he was mistreating people and eventually got the boot. Now he is unemployed...

[Luq_Ganane]

You might be right. On second thought, AY was never a big Kismayo freak. It was always the rogue elements within MJ, who are crazy about Kismayo. Most MJ's just want to live there in peace. have their businesses and be left alone. I think it would be great if MJ's and MR's put their differences aside, and came together. Its about time Tutsis ruled again.

[zackabdul]

lool @ tutsis...

[Spragga Benz]

True zack, Afguduud nin fiyow ma ahan. My father was pleased to hear when he heard Ina Yeey sacked him.


That was a good read sadeboi.


I would like to hear Cilmiile's take on all this, Boqorka Daarood ee Somalinet.

[zackabdul]

Spragga,

Is Cilmile MJ?

[Spragga Benz]

No bro, Cilmiile is a proud son of the Daraawiishta Ciida Nugaaleed; the valiant Dhulbahante.