What destroyed Somalia?

[Leila2007]

Taadow
[quote][/quote]we need to teach ppl to think as an individual and not to be ignorant.


Correct think as individuals and success should be based on abilities not not qabil. No clan is superor than another

[Somaliweyn]

''that is the day we move forward. blame the tribal culture. lamagodley somali culture.''

Excellent analysis Musikaman. I would say it is the pastoral way of life..which created a peculiar culture, political structures, and social environment that has kept Somalis locked in a timeless zone for hunderd years. Just think about it, Somalia was not destroyed during the 30 years of state existence, Somalis were already doing bad way before 1960 since our lands were occupied by European powers, and by the Abbysinians. How could this happen? Again the pastoral culture of division, which prevented all Somali groups to join hands in resisting the foreign powers bent on occupying Somali lands and oppressing Somali people. One could reason further and look at the wider global picture by saying: The reason why European powers could colonize non-european lands was because European people were progressing while the colonized lands were degenerating into backwardness and in this way isolated from the technological, militariy, political and social breakthroughs in Europe. But thats not relevant for this topic.

In Somalia, the pastoral culture of division has killed us from the inside while danger was approaching from the outside.

For example, how could the weak Italians (no offence though) occupy Somali lands and subjugate Somali people, while we outnumbered and outgunned them?

Read this following excerpt from the book Italian Colonialism:

''De Vecchi estimated that Somali tribesmen had in their possession more than sixteen thousand rifles, or six times as many as those assigned to the local defense forces''

Thus Somalis had 6 times more rifles then the Italians. The only way Italians could have occupied Southern Somalia was by dividing the people, and taking care one group at the time.

Again, the current situation is the same as then. We outnumber and outgun the 30.000 Ethiopians, Somalis are known fierless fighters relative to the other peoples in the Horn...yet these weak Ethiopians are keeping us down.

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Anyways,

What DS said is the best alternative for now. You can not squabble about the past and in this way divide the Somali people while our very future is in jeopardy (Ethiopian sattelite-state).

Thus forget it for now, and focus on the future. When we reach a certain intellectual level can we debate about the causes of the Somali backwardness and the ensuing destruction of the first Somali nation-state.

[musika man]

[quote="Leila2007"]Taadow
[quote][/quote]we need to teach ppl to think as an individual and not to be ignorant.


Correct think as individuals and success should be based on abilities not not qabil. No clan is superor than another [/quote]

^^^

nice words. action needed. all somali tribes are too proud, if a girl disses your qawiil, you will defend your tribal honor. those with nice words act more on the negative. tribal politics in somalia now is passing to warlords with phd's, last i heard was dr taano from jubbaland, their supporters will say the same while raising a sade flag over the somali flag. it is rooted in the culture. this made lamagodley somalis become schizophreonics. dual personality. loyalty to old tribal culture against their own conscious, nice words and no action.

[Boqor__Daarod]

the problem is somalis were never enslaved like the rest of africa. so every man thinks he is the king and president.

even a poor man has so much kibir and pride.

the problem is not tribe or qabil, we had qabil for the last 1000 years and we lived peacefully, except the last 17 years.

the problem is somalis are to arrogant. back in the old days there were no guns. so you would have to face man to man, and use a spear or sword, if you wanted to kill a person, but these days it has become so easy.

[Somali_4Life]

The anarchy culture that flows in the blood of somalis destroyed somalia. In the ancient times,every tribe built their own dynasty/imamate/sultanate. Now when the ICU came,every tribe started builting their own courts. When the f u ck will they unite under 1 leader regardless of his tribe?
This anarchy culture have to be stopped.
Look at the other countries,they have many ethnic groups(not tribes!) but still they get along with each other.

[Luq_Ganane]

Alchemist,

Don't over anaylyze this. Somalis got what they had coming for them, plain and simple. We're not victims by any means. However like DS,Somaliweyn said, discussing the past is fruitless right now, when we're on the abyss as a nation. Lets first get ourselves off the edge of the cliff, then perhaps you and I for whoever can sit in Xamar 20 years from now, and discuss this over a cup of shah in a intellectual and akhiyar manner.

[Shirib]

[quote="musika man"][quote="Shirib"]Whats the shanshii's defenition of lamagoodle[/quote]

^^^

join gedo-boy rep of sade and the darod king, and hawiye and isak kings. they will say my analysis answers the question. i see many lamagodleys who suffer from low self image and lie. if a somali is going to space, you lamagodley somalis wont be proud of a somali going to space but will be arguing which tribe he is from? and feel bad if he is not from your tribe.[/quote]

From what I got from that it means I'm not lamagoodle

[precious_dyme]

The title of this topic is hilarious....you damn know what destroyed Somalia yarow.

[HELWAA]

QABIIL.

[Somali_4Life]

[quote="precious_dyme"]:lol: The title of this topic is hilarious....you damn know what destroyed Somalia yarow.[/quote]

One person from your people destroyed somalia. You know who i mean

[Ashlee]

Hawiyo

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Ashlee"]Hawiyo[/quote]

[precious_dyme]

Munaafiq_4Life

Your a laughing Stock, i'm not surprised by your comment walle....such absurd view is not getting to me..if thts ur aim

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="precious_dyme"]Munaafiq_4Life

Your a laughing Stock, i'm not surprised by your comment walle....such absurd view is not getting to me..if thts ur aim [/quote]


LOOOOL at "Munafiq for life". Precious actually he's one of the more entertaining kids on this forum.


Precious,

Ba'a, 'Karbaashad' baad noqotayee

[Somali_4Life]

[quote="Ashlee"]Hawiyo[/quote]

If you want to blame us,then atleast spell our tribe name in correct way!!!!!