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Re: Rebellion against rulers

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[quote="The_Patriot"]^^
So who did rebel against the ICU peoples choice?
wasnt it A/Yussuf? with the help of Xabashi Confused[/quote]

The people's Parliament choose Abdullahi Yusuf as their leader. They gave him ba'ia.
While UIC Sharif is not chosen by the parliament. How is he then the ruler?
For me this hadith is enough:
Hudhaifah (ra) reports that the Messenger of Allaah (saw) said "There will come leaders who will not follow my guidance and will not follow my sunnah. There will be amongst them men who will have the hearts of devil and bodies of humans." He (Hudhaifah asked) "What shall I do, o Messenger of Allaah if I reach that?" He replied, "you should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your backs and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey." Reported by Muslim (Eng. trans Vol 3/1029/34554)

Instead of fighting our ruler,let us do supplication for him.
And let us advice him to do good and to avoid evil.

Fudayl Ibn ’Iyaad (d.187H) – Rahimahullaah – said: “If I had a supplication that would be answered, I would not make it, except for the ruler. Because when the ruler becomes righteous, the towns and the servants become safe and secure.” Refer to Hilyatul-Awliyaa‘ (8/91-92).
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Hassan al-Jadiidi,

As usual, you misquote and twist the religion to suit the benefits of your sect and that of America.

You use a hadeeth which applies to a completely different issue, but what about this verse, which should be obeyed first a hadeeth or the Qur'an?

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”

[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

Your Ameer A/Yusuf came to power with the assistance of an infidel army, he fought Muslims, called for their destruction all with the help of an infidel army, which is according to the above verse one of the things that leads to apostasy.

And what about the fact that your ameer A/Yusuf has chosen a non-Shariah government, which is against the laws of Islam:

"That also includes: everyone who believes that it is permissible to rule according to something other than the laws of Allaah with regard to interactions, hudood punishments or other matters, even if he does not believe that that is better than the ruling of sharee’ah, because by doing so he is regarding as permissible something that Allaah has forbidden according to consensus, and everyone who regards as permissible something that Allaah has forbidden and is well known to be forbidden in Islam, such that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing that it is forbidden, such as adultery, alcohol and riba, and ruling by something other than the sharee’ah of Allaah, is a kaafir according to the consensus of the Muslims. "

Source: http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=31 ... t=apostasy

Stop hiding behind the religion, you are a brainwashed sect follower, quoting Hassan Al-Basri, Fowzan, Uthaymeen, Ibn Baaz & Albaani all the while not realizing that they are all against your false sect.
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Question:

A Muslim businessman has been offered a golden opportunity to sell equipment and food or to sign a contract to do maintenance on vehicles and equipment for an army that is waging war against the Muslims. What is the ruling on doing such business?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The scholars of Islam have stated that it is not permitted to support the kaafirs against the Muslims, and that that is kufr (disbelief) and riddah (apostasy), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them”

[al-Maa'idah 5:51]

The fuqaha’ of Islam, the imams of the Hanafi, Maaliki, Shaafa’i and Hanbali madhhabs, and other fuqaha’, have stated in their books that it is haraam to sell them anything that may help them against the Muslims, such as weapons, equipment, riding beasts, etc. So it is not permissible to give them food or to sell them food, drink, water, tents, trucks, vehicles, or to make contracts with them to provide maintenance, transaportation, etc. All of that is haraam and the one who consumes profits on such transactions is consuming haraam things, and the Fire is more fitting for him.

It is not permissible to sell them even a date or to give them anything that they can use against their enemies. Whoever does that deserves Hell, and the Fire is more fitting for all evil earnings. Indeed this is one of the most evil of evil things.

It is not permissible to give them anything that may give them the slightest help against the Muslims.

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’:

With regard to selling weapons to ahl al-harb (those who wage war against the Muslims), it is haraam according to scholarly consensus.

Ibn al-Qayyim said in I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een:

Imam Ahmad said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade selling weapons at times of fitnah (tribulation)… It is obvious that selling them is helping others in sin and transgression. This also applies to every sale, rental or exchange that helps people to disobey Allaah, such as selling weapons to kaafirs, aggressors and bandits… or renting one’s house to someone who will set up a place for sin in it, or selling candles to someone who will use them to disobey Allaah, and other actions which help people to do that which Allaah hates and is angry with.

End quote.

In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (25/153) it says:

It is haraam to sell weapons to ahl al-harb (those who are waging war against Islam) or to those who are known as bandits who attack Muslims or who stir up fitnah among them. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: It is not permissible for a Muslim to take weapons or horses to the enemies of the Muslims which will strengthen them against the Muslims, or anything that will help them to acquire weapons and horses, because selling weapons to ahl al-harb strengthens them to fight the Muslims and motivates them to declare war and continue fighting.

This issue is not the matter of ordinary or minor sins, rather it is a matter that has to do with the basis of ‘aqeedah (belief) and Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allaah), and the Muslim’s support and loyalty towards the Religion of Allaah and his disavowal of the enemies of Allaah. This is what was stated by the imams in their books.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Fataawa (1/274):

The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed that whoever supports the kaafirs against the Muslims and helps them in any way is a kaafir like them as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”

[al-Maa'idah 5:51].

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I gave you the five basics agreed upon all ulama of ahle salafiyah.
Were those great scholars ''hypocrites'' when they said that rebellion against Hajjaj and Yazid [they were worse than our amr Yusuf]is not allowed?
Woe to you!

’Umar Ibn Yazeed said: I heard al-Hasan al-Basree during the days of Yazeed Ibnul-Mahlab, and there came to him a group of people. So he commanded them to stay in their houses and to close their doors. Then he said: ‘‘By Allaah! If the people had patience when they were being tested by their unjust ruler, it will not be long before Allaah will make a way out for them. However, they always rush for their swords, so they are left to their swords. By Allaah! Not even for a single say did they bring about any good.’’ It is related by Ibn Sa’d in at-Tabaqaat (8/164), and by Ibn Abee Haatim in his Tafseer (3/178).

Al Barbahaaree (d. 329H) also said, "It is not permissible to fight the ruler or rebel against him even if he oppresses. This is due to the saying of the Messenger of Allah (salallaahu'alayheewasallam) to Abu Dharr al Ghifaaree, "Have patience, even if he (i.e. the Ameer) is an Abyssinian slave," (Reported by Muslim.)

There is no fighting against the ruler in the Sunnah. It causes destruction of the Religion and the worldly affairs."
[Sharhus-Sunnah, (p. 43).]

THIS CITATE OF HASSAN AL BASRI DESTROYES YOUR WHOLE DESIR OF FIGHTING AGAINST THE MUSLIMRULER,ABDULLAHI YUSUF:
[25] It is also related by Ibn Sa'ad in Tabaqaatul Kubraa (7/163-165) A group of Muslims came to al Hasan al Basree (d. 110H) seeking a verdict to rebel against al Hajjaaj [3]. So they said, "O Abu Sa'eed! What do you say about fighting this oppressor who has unlawfully spilt blood and unlawfully taken wealth and did this and that?"
So al Hasan said, "I hold that he should not be fought. If this is the punishment from Allah (Ta'aala), then you will not be able to remove it with your swords. If this is a trial from Allah (Ta'aala), then be patient until Allah's Judgement comes, and He is the best of Judges."

So they left Al Hasan, disagreed with him and rebelled against al Hajjaaj - so al Hajjaaj killed them all.

Hajjaaj wasath Thaqafee, and is well known. Adh Dhahabee said in Siyar A'lamin Nubalaa (4/343) at the end of his biography, "We revile him and do not love him, rather we hate him for Allah (Ta'aala). He had some good deeds, but they are drowned in the ocean of his sins, and his affair is for Allah!"

About them al Hasan used to say, "If the people had patience, when they were being tested by their unjust ruler, it will not be long before Allah (Ta'aala) will give them a way out. However, they always rush for their swords, so they are left to their swords. By Allah! Not even for a single day did they bring about any good."
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RULING A COUNTRY WITH A NON-SHARI'AH SYSTEM

Question:

Is ruling with rules other than sharee‘ah “kufr akbar” or “kufr asghar”?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

* The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

* Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

* Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

* Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]

* The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]

* The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allaah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon (rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].

* The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42]

Judging or ruling according to other than what Allaah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following:

1. If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik, because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]

2. If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.”

3. If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50]

4. If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22]

5. If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44].

6. If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61]

7. Among the things that may be counted as ruling by other than that which Allaah revealed and kufr akbar is what Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem said about man-made laws and ruling by them: “This is the worst, the most obvious and comprehensive opposition to sharee‘ah and rejection of Allaah’s laws. This is competing with Allaah and His Messenger, contradicting His laws in their preparation, support, structure, ruling and references.

The above is a summary of the things that may imply that ruling by other than that which Allah has revealed is a form of shirk akbar (major shirk):

(1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed.

(2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule.

(3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is complete or only in a few matters.

(4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal.

(5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has revealed is not obligatory or is optional.

(6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed.

By examining this topic from different angels, it becomes clear that what is counted as kufr akbar is the following:


1. Abolishing sharee‘ah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-‘Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws.

2. Abolishing sharee‘ah courts.

3. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Sharee‘ah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir.

4. Confining the role of sharee‘ah courts to so-called “civil” matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.

5. Setting up non-sharee‘ah courts.

6. Discussing sharee‘ah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing sharee‘ah is conditional upon a majority vote.

7. Making sharee‘ah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that sharee‘ah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too.

8. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court.

9. Criticizing sharee‘ah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws.

As regards the question of when ruling by other than what Allaah revealed is kufr asghar, which does not exclude a person from the ummah of Islam:

the answer is that this may be the case when a ruler or judge passes judgement according to other than what Allaah revealed out of disobedience or on a whim, or as a favour to someone, or because he was bribed, and so on, although he believes that it is obligatory to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, and that what he has done is a sinful and haraam deed.

As regards the one who is governed by a non-Islamic law, if he refers to it out of choice, then he is a kaafir whose kufr akbar means that he has left Islaam. But if he has no choice but to refer to this law, and does so reluctantly, then he is not a kaafir, because if he had been able to resort to sharee‘ah, he would have done so, and he believes that this non-Islamic law is false.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.

Source: http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=97 ... =governing
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Koronto stop arguing with this dabayaco kid who thinks A/Yussuf is the Mahdi
Takes all the verses in the Quran to support his qabil.
this is the same fella that the quraan says
yu,minuna bibacdhil kitabi watakfuruna bibacdhihim. Laughing
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Hassan Al-Jadiidi,

You have quoted the writings of men, while I quoted verses from the Qur'an. I want to see you dispute my two main arguments:

1. A. Yusuf's rule is non-Shari'ah and anyone who rules by anything other than that which Allah prescribed is risking apostasy. Muslims have every right to oppose such a vile leader.

2. A. Yusuf's government was created, financed and brought to Somalia by an infidel army, again this is one of the things that leads to apostasy.

Which is greater a hadeeth that says do not oppose Shari'ah based governments or verses of the Qur'an which say:

-Do not rule by anything, but Shari'ah, or that will lead to apostasy.

-Do not seek the help of infidels to fight Muslims, or else that will lead to apostasy.

Explain yourself.
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[quote="The_Patriot"]Koronto stop arguing with this dabayaco kid who thinks A/Yussuf is the Mahdi
Takes all the verses in the Quran to support his qabil.
this is the same fella that the quraan says
yu,minuna bibacdhil kitabi watakfuruna bibacdhihim. Laughing[/quote]

He is part of a sect called Salafi Jadiid who speak for the Saudi Monarchy & America, I have seen Habargidir members of this sect who cuss at Daahir Aweys while calling A. Yusuf their 'Ameer' and praising his government. Laughing
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Koronto you are right. But in theory Hassan is right as well. you are not allowed in islam under any circumstances except open apostacy, to rebel against your leader full stop. But since Abdilahi yusuf is a gaal, then its perfectly alright to rebel.
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we call them talafis Laughing
sh Fawzan is their leader.
they think they are the best
though most of their recruits are reverts from Jamican & white origin
Most of the reverts were former criminals who are on probation.
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[quote="Koronto91"]Hassan Al-Jadiidi,

You have quoted the writings of men, while I quoted verses from the Qur'an. I want to see you dispute my two main arguments:

1. A. Yusuf's rule is non-Shari'ah and anyone who rules by anything other than that which Allah prescribed is risking apostasy. Muslims have every right to oppose such a vile leader.

2. A. Yusuf's government was created, financed and brought to Somalia by an infidel army, again this is one of the things that leads to apostasy.

Which is greater a hadeeth that says do not oppose Shari'ah based governments or verses of the Qur'an which say:

-Do not rule by anything, but Shari'ah, or that will lead to apostasy.

-Do not seek the help of infidels to fight Muslims, or else that will lead to apostasy.

Explain yourself.[/quote]

As long he is muslim[he says he is muslim]and didnt commit clear kufr,we are not allowed to rebel against him.
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[quote="abdi.ismail"]Koronto you are right. But in theory Hassan is right as well. you are not allowed in islam under any circumstances except open apostacy, to rebel against your leader full stop. But since Abdilahi yusuf is a gaal, then its perfectly alright to rebel.[/quote]

and say not to anyone who greets you :"You are not a believer".
Can you bring any tape wherein our ruler says that he left islam?
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[quote]As long he is muslim[he says he is muslim]and didnt commit clear kufr,we are not allowed to rebel against him.
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what do you understand by Kufur?
so its ok to follow an 'amir ul muminin' who allows his 'soilders' to pooh in the mosque?
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[quote="Hassan_Al_Basri01"]As long he is muslim[he says he is muslim]and didnt commit clear kufr,we are not allowed to rebel against him.
END[/quote]

You disappoint me, I was expecting to hear a real rebuttal! What is in his heart is Allah's knowledge, but we have every right to judge his government based on their actions and based on their actions they have:

-Chosen a non-Shari'ah system of government.

-Came to Mogadishu with the aid of an infidel army, fought and killed Muslims.


Take your little misquoted hadeeths and fatwas, bring me real verses from the Qur'an as I've done.
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[quote="The_Patriot"][quote]As long he is muslim[he says he is muslim]and didnt commit clear kufr,we are not allowed to rebel against him.
END[/quote]
what do you understand by Kufur?
so its ok to follow an 'amir ul muminin' who allows his 'soilders' to pooh in the mosque?[/quote]

Correction: kuffar soldiers,not govt soldiers.
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