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Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:52 pm
by James Dahl
AbuShabab wrote:James Dahl wrote:Well, as a Canadian I can attest to the fact that while most Americans are trustworthy, count your fingers after shaking hands with the US Government.
What about the Canadian government? I believe it's a dependable ally of the war on terror.
wonder why the USA has complained about us for the last 5 years then?
The USA and Canada haven't been aligned geopolitically since Trudeau. That and they refuse to let our citizens out of Guantanamo Bay.
We're in Afghanistan for the Afghanis, and to be honest we've picked the wrong side and should just leave. We're never going to win any friends there.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:02 pm
by AbuShabab
James Dahl wrote: wonder why the USA has complained about us for the last 5 years then?
I think the USA's complaint is valid. Canada isn't serious about fighting the Taliban. Canada is trying to do menial jobs by refusing to go to the frontlines in order to fight the Taliban.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:22 pm
by James Dahl
AbuShabab wrote:James Dahl wrote: wonder why the USA has complained about us for the last 5 years then?
I think the USA's complaint is valid. Canada isn't serious about fighting the Taliban. Canada is trying to do menial jobs by refusing to go to the frontlines in order to fight the Taliban.
Geez you don't know anything about Canada, who do you think is in Kandahar?
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:26 pm
by AbuShabab
James Dahl wrote:Geez you don't know anything about Canada, who do you think is in Kandahar?
But they aren't dying at the pace Americans are dying. That's where the USA's complaint is valid.
http://icasualties.org/oef/
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:30 pm
by James Dahl
AbuShabab wrote:James Dahl wrote:Geez you don't know anything about Canada, who do you think is in Kandahar?
But they aren't dying at the pace Americans are dying. That's where the USA's complaint is valid.
The USA can prop up their global hegemony by themselves, as far as I'm concerned we shouldn't even be there. Most Canadians feel the same way.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:32 pm
by James Dahl
Canada shouldn't be part of OAF, we're not part of that fiasco.
We only agreed to go as part of ISAF, becase that at least was approved by the UN.
The Canadian forces were decorative ornaments in Kabul until our Conservative government decided our troops should go out and fight the Taleban in 2006.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:02 am
by Grant
AbuShabab wrote:A. Peace Corps: The Urban Front
The Peace Corps is a perfect structure for the CIA. It provides a point of contact with the working class which is so necessary for information gathering. And, because of the Peace Corps structure, the CIA does not have to control it in order to use it successfully. The Peace Corps entered Latin America as the "person-to-person" of the Alliance for Progress. Working out of the U.S. Embassy in Santiago, the first head of the Peace Corps in Chile was Nathaniel Davis, promoted to Ambassador by the time of the September 1973 coup. Under the skillful guidance of Davis, many of the youthful volunteers headed straight for the poblaciones which housed the poorest sectors of the Chilean working class and unemployed. Fresh out of Swarthmore, Bennington and Berkeley, the volunteers invaded the poblaciones, lived with the people and came to know them -- politically and socially. They worked with them, observed their customs, their way of life, their traditions. And then they drew up work reports describing their experiences.
It was not necessary to have many agents in the Peace Corps -- just in the right places and with access to all the information which was generated. Unknowingly, thousands of U.S. youths, most thinking that they were helping the Chileans, were instead gathering data for the now undercover Project Camelot.
Those agents in the Peace Corps who were conscious of their role had several tasks. As they mingled with the people, they were identifying future leftist leaders as well as those right-wingers who in the future would work for U.S. interests. They were assessing consciousness, evaluating reactions to reforms. And they were selecting and training future agents. It was at this point that Michael Townley, Peace Corpsman in the sixties, was recruited to enter the Agency. Townley returned to Chile in 1970 as one of the agency's closest contacts with Patria y Libertad.
Finally, the Peace Corps was used as a front to get paramilitary equipment into the country. Ellis Carrasco, who succeeded Davis as head of the Peace Corps, was himself accused of gun-running. Later, the U.S. Army donated and installed radio receivers in all Peace Corps regional offices to facilitate communications. These same receivers were used during the coup to facilitate coordination of the Junta's bloody activities.
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/camelot.html
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I was not aware of PC involvement in the Chilean mess. That, and the installation of the Shah in Iran, are not moments in American history I am especially proud of.
However, I think the authorship of the second article at your link explains American interest in Chile. It is:
"A Communist Commentary on Camelot
by Jorge Montes
Chilean Chamber of Deputies, 1965 "
1965 was Cold War. Kennedy had only been assasinated in 1963. Tensions with Russia over Cuba were still high, and the US was determined to keep additional Communist allies out of the Western hemisphere. Forty five years later the US still has an embargo on Cuba and Russia is still trying to get it lifted. Even from this article iit seems unlikely the PC people would even have known they had been infiltrated.
I think the final statement on the Peace Corps, despite the lapses it readily admits and this one you bring up, has to be that the world sees it as an agent for positive change and not some clandestine spy agency. It is still going strong and has more requests for Volunteers than it is able to fill. As far as I am aware, Somalia is the only country ever to have asked them to leave.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:12 am
by AbuShabab
The bottom line, the Peace Corps is an agent of the CIA or other American/Western intelligence apparatuses. Muslims shouldn't trust it.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:12 pm
by Enlightened~Sista
Arsenal_Man wrote:leave us alone..we dont need your useless help...all you do is put us against each other
walle been maadan sheegin
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:04 pm
by SahanGalbeed
The situtaion in Afghanistan is gonna
drastically change for the better , now that Petraeus is in charge of US Central Command . He ain't too proud to ask for your help , and knows how to talk with the people of "his"region .
Sahangalbeed a man of even better judgement than Obama
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:22 pm
by Grant
AbuShabab wrote:The bottom line, the Peace Corps is an agent of the CIA or other American/Western intelligence apparatuses. Muslims shouldn't trust it.
The bottom line, with respect to Somalia, is that you speak and write and are being educated in English in a country that respects your rights to religious freedom. This freedom does not extend to treason or subversion, or to the planning or execution of criminal acts. I agree that those Muslims in the West with such thoughts or plans probably should not trust American/Western intelligence apparati.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:40 pm
by American-Suufi
somalis call us 'cad cad' which means white white. without europeans and us, look what happened to somalia. black nomad destruction. somalis needs white people to make them act like humans.
not long ago, i watched a video of a somali meeting where all the adults were fighting each other even the grandmoms about qawiil till a white cop showed up and they all became silent.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:58 am
by AbuShabab
Grant wrote:The bottom line, with respect to Somalia, is that you speak and write and are being educated in English in a country that respects your rights to religious freedom. This freedom does not extend to treason or subversion, or to the planning or execution of criminal acts. I agree that those Muslims in the West with such thoughts or plans probably should not trust American/Western intelligence apparati.
It isn't like, with respect to Somalia, only the Peace Corps were qualified to teach English. And English wasn't new to Somalis, as part of the country (also the entire country for 10 years) was ruled by the British. When Somalia gained its (conditional) independece in 1960, there were already thousands of Somalis who knew the English language. It was Somali teachers who taught me (and hundreds thousands of Somalis) English in private schools. With regard to treason or subversion, or to the planning or execution of criminal acts, or people with such thoughts or plans, it was non-Muslims who executed 911 and similar criminal acts in America and Europe.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:24 pm
by Grant
"With regard to treason or subversion, or to the planning or execution of criminal acts, or people with such thoughts or plans, it was non-Muslims who executed 911 and similar criminal acts in America and Europe.[/quote]
You are delusional.
In 1960 those relatively few Somalis who spoke English had almost entirely been educated by the British and Italian trustee administrations in preparation for independence. I can tell you from my personal experience in the Sixties that, outside of Hargeisa and Mog, they were few and very far between.
The bulk of the Somali English teachers after 1960 were trained at NTEC, the national teacher training facility in Afgoye. This was sponored by, and from 1962 to 1969, was significantly staffed by, Americans, some of them Peace Corps. By 1969 the work of training native teachers was largely done.
I am sure they must have existed, but I never personally ran into a Somali English language instructor. I did meet an Egyptian.
Re: Why are there so many white people interested in somalis
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:37 pm
by AbuShabab
Grant wrote:You are delusional.
Millions of Americans and Westerners (i.e. +50% Americans, +85% Canadians), thousands of American/Western scientists, engineers, demolition experts, forensic experts, architects, professionals, etc aren't delusional
