RELIGOUS FOLKS OF SNET QUESTION

[surrender]

you should be banned just for that!

[Buhodle-Gurl]

I can't be banned. the admin & The-Screw are my bestfriends.

[surrender]

[ModerateMuslim]

there are no religious folks in snet but lots of ignorant folks!

sufism = shirk and bidah. plain and simple. if you follow sufi shirk, you're not from the muslims any longer, but from ahl al-shirk, i.e. the pagans!



the prophet saw said: "So fear Allah and have patience. And I am the best Salaf (predecessor) for you." [Saheeh Muslim: no. 2450]

now salafi[sm] is a complicated term used by different goups. first of all there is a big difference between the salaf (raa), i.e. the prophet (saw), his companions (raa) and the two generations that followed them (raa), and a salafi, i.e. a person, could be a scholar or a simple layman, who claims to follow the way of the salaf (raa). in this case the "I" makes a big difference.

the term "salafi" is somewhat popular nowadays because people want to distance themselves from the shirk and bidah of deviant groups like the sufi. but for now i won't go into details explaining the different groups who claim and have claimed the term salafi and their differences.

[Murax]

After that, the term was not used until 1980,"

False. The term Salafi was used repeatedly by Ibn Tayyimah RH and Imam Dhahabi RH, two prominent scholars of Ahlu Sunnah. They would repeatedly say "Kaana Rajul Salaffiyan" which they would use to say that this Man is a Man who's Manhaj is in accoridance with the 1st three generations. Scholars of this age used to term like Albani RH, Bakr Abu Zaid (Xafidahullah) and others. Ibn Uthaymin RH spoke about this at length and said while it is not mandatory to use the term Salafi, there is no harm in one to use it if they want to make their manhaj clear to others. For the ones who think this is new, how about "Ahlu Sunnah"? This was used by the people of the Sunnah to differentiate themselves from the Shiyah, Khawaarij and others who reared their heads. Yes, We know from the Hadith that Rasuululah SAW said that We should call ourselves "Muslim, Mu'min, Ibaadlah" However today there are so called Muslims who commit shirk worshiping graves of saints other than Allah swt and they call themselves Muslims. There are "Muslims" who deny the attributes of Allah swt, there are "Muslims" who reject the Sunnah altogether and say "We only believe in the Quran" wal yacuudu bilah.


As for calling oneself Salafi, remember from the hadith Rasuululah SAW said "Alaykum bi sunnati, wa sunnatul khulafaa'u Raashidiina min ba'di". My sunnah is incumbant upon You as well as the Sunnah of the righteous Khulafaa (Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Ali, and the rest of the sahabah". Rasuululah SAW said there will be 70 some odd sects in Islam and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one, When He was who, He said "Aladeenahum ala maa ana alaywa wa ashaabi" Those who are on what I am on and My Sahabah. We know that Iman is belief in the heart, speech of the tounge, and action of the limbs. Speech doesn't have any effect if it is not followed by action, and action and speach do not have any effect if it is not followed by At-Tibaa'a (Following the Sunnah) and action, speach, and tibaa'ah do not have any effect unless they have ikhlaas (sincerity). Every group will be in the hellfire, except for those who ascribe to the manhaj of the Rasuul and His Sahabah (The Salaf) and Allah knows best.


Btw,

Surrender I don't know Why You make these threads on Snet When You know all of us here are ignorant and come for all sorts of reasons besides deen. Do You just want to confuse Yourself?

[Shilling]

And the attack on Sufism continues unfortunately, lets just hope these people consider the saying of the Prophet (pbuh), which has been narrated by Abu Ya'la, from Hudhaifa and about which Ibn Kathir said, "It's chain of transmission is good." Abu Ya'la said, "The Prophet has said, "One of the things that concerns me about my nation is a man who studied the Qu'ran, and when its grace started to show on him and he had the appearance of a Muslim, he detached himself from it, and threw it behind his back, and went after his neighbor with a sword and accused him of associating partners with Allah.' I then asked, "Oh, Prophet of Allah, which one is more guilty of associating partners with Allah, the accused or the accuser?' The Prophet said, "It is the accuser.'"

What is the view of Islam on Sufism?

Well since many Muslims adhere to the opinion of Ibn Taymiyah here is what he had to say on this matter: "A great dispute occurred regarding sufism. A group of Muslims extremely denounced sufis and sufism and said sufis are mubtade'een and are out of the sunna (the traditions) of the Prophet (pbuh). This opinion was adopted by a large number of imams (Islamic scholars) and transmitted later by people of fiqh (law) and people of 'ilmu al-kalam (theology). Another group went too far in defending sufis and sufism. They claimed that sufis are the best among people and the most complete after prophets and messengers.

Both extreme opinions should not be acceptable. The right opinion should be that sufis are Muslims whom are striving hard to obey Allah (swt) like other Muslims who strive to obey Allah (swt) as well. Among the sufis there are those who are foremost in their good deeds, through their striving, and are near Allah and those who follow a middle course of striving. Also, among the two kinds of sufis there are those who do right and those who do wrong, and among them those who commit sin and repent, and those who commit sin and do not repent.

And it happened that some people claimed affiliation with sufism who were innovators and deviant Muslims. These people, al-Hallaj for instance, are rejected and denounced by the renowned scholars of sufism such as Al-Junaid Ibn Muhammad, the master of the sufis, and others" (Refer to Majmu'atu al-Fatawa of Ibn Taymiyah, Vol. 11).

As the saying goes, "think before you speak."

[Murax]

^^

I didn't mention Suufism, I mentioned people who go direct worship to graves of saints and others, other than Allah, and then You came to Me with a tirade about suufism, which in essence pretty much confirms the shirk that this firqa dhaalan is involved in.

[American-Suufi]

^^

I didn't mention Suufism, I mentioned people who go direct worship to graves of saints and others, other than Allah, and then You came to Me with a tirade about suufism, which in essence pretty much confirms the shirk that this firqa dhaalan is involved in.

^^^^^

the likes of you brainwashed by wahabi aka salafi believe only in the power of their tribe. if all muslims are on haq and against your marehan tribe u will choose marehan just like a bedouin saudi would. what shirk? what has saudi wahabi aka salafi done for islam except introduce to muslims suicide bombing and new 23 wahabi/salafi sects?

slafism were the only 3 generations soon after the prophet.

wahabism founded in 1880's by abdiwahab is now claiming to be the new salafi and you, kollombo and somali-star are 3 wahabi-salafis who hate each other because of secterianism. should we discuss of your semi-prophet bin baz who was a .... to the royal saudi family?

go in circles and scream shirk and bid3a.

[Voltage]

After that, the term was not used until 1980,"

False. The term Salafi was used repeatedly by Ibn Tayyimah RH and Imam Dhahabi RH, two prominent scholars of Ahlu Sunnah. They would repeatedly say "Kaana Rajul Salaffiyan" which they would use to say that this Man is a Man who's Manhaj is in accoridance with the 1st three generations. Scholars of this age used to term like Albani RH, Bakr Abu Zaid (Xafidahullah) and others. Ibn Uthaymin RH spoke about this at length and said while it is not mandatory to use the term Salafi, there is no harm in one to use it if they want to make their manhaj clear to others. For the ones who think this is new, how about "Ahlu Sunnah"? This was used by the people of the Sunnah to differentiate themselves from the Shiyah, Khawaarij and others who reared their heads. Yes, We know from the Hadith that Rasuululah SAW said that We should call ourselves "Muslim, Mu'min, Ibaadlah" However today there are so called Muslims who commit shirk worshiping graves of saints other than Allah swt and they call themselves Muslims. There are "Muslims" who deny the attributes of Allah swt, there are "Muslims" who reject the Sunnah altogether and say "We only believe in the Quran" wal yacuudu bilah.


As for calling oneself Salafi, remember from the hadith Rasuululah SAW said "Alaykum bi sunnati, wa sunnatul khulafaa'u Raashidiina min ba'di". My sunnah is incumbant upon You as well as the Sunnah of the righteous Khulafaa (Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Ali, and the rest of the sahabah". Rasuululah SAW said there will be 70 some odd sects in Islam and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one, When He was who, He said "Aladeenahum ala maa ana alaywa wa ashaabi" Those who are on what I am on and My Sahabah. We know that Iman is belief in the heart, speech of the tounge, and action of the limbs. Speech doesn't have any effect if it is not followed by action, and action and speach do not have any effect if it is not followed by At-Tibaa'a (Following the Sunnah) and action, speach, and tibaa'ah do not have any effect unless they have ikhlaas (sincerity). Every group will be in the hellfire, except for those who ascribe to the manhaj of the Rasuul and His Sahabah (The Salaf) and Allah knows best.


Btw,

Surrender I don't know Why You make these threads on Snet When You know all of us here are ignorant and come for all sorts of reasons besides deen. Do You just want to confuse Yourself?

Maashaalah bro, pure knowledge.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

False. The term Salafi was used repeatedly by Ibn Tayyimah RH and Imam Dhahabi RH, two prominent scholars of Ahlu Sunnah. They would repeatedly say "Kaana Rajul Salaffiyan" which they would use to say that this Man is a Man who's Manhaj is in accoridance with the 1st three generations. Scholars of this age used to term like Albani RH, Bakr Abu Zaid (Xafidahullah) and others. Ibn Uthaymin RH spoke about this at length and said while it is not mandatory to use the term Salafi, there is no harm in one to use it if they want to make their manhaj clear to others. For the ones who think this is new, how about "Ahlu Sunnah"? This was used by the people of the Sunnah to differentiate themselves from the Shiyah, Khawaarij and others who reared their heads. Yes, We know from the Hadith that Rasuululah SAW said that We should call ourselves "Muslim, Mu'min, Ibaadlah" However today there are so called Muslims who commit shirk worshiping graves of saints other than Allah swt and they call themselves Muslims. There are "Muslims" who deny the attributes of Allah swt, there are "Muslims" who reject the Sunnah altogether and say "We only believe in the Quran" wal yacuudu bilah.


As for calling oneself Salafi, remember from the hadith Rasuululah SAW said "Alaykum bi sunnati, wa sunnatul khulafaa'u Raashidiina min ba'di". My sunnah is incumbant upon You as well as the Sunnah of the righteous Khulafaa (Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Ali, and the rest of the sahabah". Rasuululah SAW said there will be 70 some odd sects in Islam and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one, When He was who, He said "Aladeenahum ala maa ana alaywa wa ashaabi" Those who are on what I am on and My Sahabah. We know that Iman is belief in the heart, speech of the tounge, and action of the limbs. Speech doesn't have any effect if it is not followed by action, and action and speach do not have any effect if it is not followed by At-Tibaa'a (Following the Sunnah) and action, speach, and tibaa'ah do not have any effect unless they have ikhlaas (sincerity). Every group will be in the hellfire, except for those who ascribe to the manhaj of the Rasuul and His Sahabah (The Salaf) and Allah knows best.

[xamd]

After that, the term was not used until 1980,"

False. The term Salafi was used repeatedly by Ibn Tayyimah RH and Imam Dhahabi RH, two prominent scholars of Ahlu Sunnah. They would repeatedly say "Kaana Rajul Salaffiyan" which they would use to say that this Man is a Man who's Manhaj is in accoridance with the 1st three generations. Scholars of this age used to term like Albani RH, Bakr Abu Zaid (Xafidahullah) and others. Ibn Uthaymin RH spoke about this at length and said while it is not mandatory to use the term Salafi, there is no harm in one to use it if they want to make their manhaj clear to others. For the ones who think this is new, how about "Ahlu Sunnah"? This was used by the people of the Sunnah to differentiate themselves from the Shiyah, Khawaarij and others who reared their heads. Yes, We know from the Hadith that Rasuululah SAW said that We should call ourselves "Muslim, Mu'min, Ibaadlah" However today there are so called Muslims who commit shirk worshiping graves of saints other than Allah swt and they call themselves Muslims. There are "Muslims" who deny the attributes of Allah swt, there are "Muslims" who reject the Sunnah altogether and say "We only believe in the Quran" wal yacuudu bilah.


As for calling oneself Salafi, remember from the hadith Rasuululah SAW said "Alaykum bi sunnati, wa sunnatul khulafaa'u Raashidiina min ba'di". My sunnah is incumbant upon You as well as the Sunnah of the righteous Khulafaa (Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Ali, and the rest of the sahabah". Rasuululah SAW said there will be 70 some odd sects in Islam and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one, When He was who, He said "Aladeenahum ala maa ana alaywa wa ashaabi" Those who are on what I am on and My Sahabah. We know that Iman is belief in the heart, speech of the tounge, and action of the limbs. Speech doesn't have any effect if it is not followed by action, and action and speach do not have any effect if it is not followed by At-Tibaa'a (Following the Sunnah) and action, speach, and tibaa'ah do not have any effect unless they have ikhlaas (sincerity). Every group will be in the hellfire, except for those who ascribe to the manhaj of the Rasuul and His Sahabah (The Salaf) and Allah knows best.


Btw,

Surrender I don't know Why You make these threads on Snet When You know all of us here are ignorant and come for all sorts of reasons besides deen. Do You just want to confuse Yourself?

Br./Sr. surrender

Tasawwuf or Sufism in english, is an integral part of ones Islam. It is an implementation of the quality of Ihsan, or perfection of ones Islam, in the Hadith Gibril, Gibriil (AS) asks the Prophet (PBUH) about Islam, Iman, and finally about Ihsan. As for Ihsan, the Prophet (PBUH) responded, it is: worshipping Allah, the Exalted, as if you see Him, and if you can not do that, to know that He sees you. The science of Tasawwuf is the implementation of this hadith, and someone who is a master of this science is designated as a 'Sufi.' This science correspondences to the Science of the Knowledge of Tawhid or Aqida which implements the Iman portion of the Gibriil hadith, and the Science of Fiqh which implements the Islam portion of the Gibriil Hadith. Therefore, Aqida, Fiqh, and Tasawwuf, represent Iman, Islam, and Ihsan.

The truth of this is shown by the Fact that ibn Taymiyyah was a Shaykh of the Qadiriya Tariqa (Sufi tariqa (or path) starting from Sh. Abdulqadir Jilani). However, his started to come up with Aqida divergent from that of Ahlu Sunna wal Jama'a and was censured by the of Ulama of his time. Even his student Imam Dhahabi, both mentioned by brother murax above, was part of this censure. Here is his letter of advice: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/dhahabi.htm. So although I am not saying that the did not say what you claim they've said, however, if they said it, it was in a context that was with in Tasawwuf or Sufism. Also, ibn Taymiyyah was a solid Shaykh of Hanbali Fiqh. However, modern psuedo-salafis refuse to follow madhhabs, which is basically a mockery of the work these Shuyukh did.

Also, Imam Nawawi, said of Imam Ghazali's "Revival of the Religious Sciences" or the Ihya, that it was almost like the Qur'an, in that it represented the values of the Qur'an very well. The Ihya is one of the essential books of the Science of Tasawwuf. Also, Imam Nawawi, much more pious and intelligent than anyone living today, was a Shaykh of Shafi'i Fiqh. Again emphasising the importance of following a madhhab which is more critical than following a shaykh for tasawwuf. Again, the psuedo-salafis want to do away with any following of a Madhhab. Which shows that they have no real connection to previous Scholars of the religion, and what knowledge can you claim if you do not have such a connection? Religious knowledge does not come from books but comes from Living Scholars, books are a tool designed to assist scholars to teach, it is like the pen you write with or the paper you write on or the keyboard I'm using, it does not in itself contain real knowledge. If a thousand years from now someone reads what've just wrote, most likely they would barely understand it as much of what I was in a context common to the reader and to myself, without this context, these words don't have much of a meaning. That is why a connection to Living Scholars are necessary, because they can tell you the meanings behind the sentences and paragraphs recorded in religious books.

Br./Sr. the best thing for one to do is to pick one of the four Madhhabs to follow for your fiqh for your daily worship. It could be any of the following: Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, or Hanbali. Then go to a scholar who is learned in that madhhab and learn what you need for your worship. This will ensure your prayers and fasts and so on are sound. No Madhhab is better than the other so choose whichever is most comfortable/or convenient for you to learn, however, you must stick to one unless it is extremely difficult and you have a permission from a shaykh, as mixing and matching is not allowed by the Ulama, if you were to do that you'd simply be following your desires. Don't Worry about Tasawwuf unless you have sound fiqh, Tasawwuf without sound fiqh is useless! And for Salafis, they're simply wrong, don't waste your time.

Every Muslim wishes to follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) I simply trust the Sunnah as recorded by the Illustrious four Imams, Abu Hanafi, Malik, Shafi'i, and Ahmed ibn Hanbal, than as recorded by the likes of AbdulWahab or Al-Albani. This is the Sunnah that scholars such as Imaam Nawawi, Suyuti, Bukhari, Muslim, and Ghazali followed and I trusted their methodology more than what some modern figure cooks up and calls "Qur'an and Sunnah."

[Shilling]

After that, the term was not used until 1980,"

False. The term Salafi was used repeatedly by Ibn Tayyimah RH and Imam Dhahabi RH, two prominent scholars of Ahlu Sunnah. They would repeatedly say "Kaana Rajul Salaffiyan" which they would use to say that this Man is a Man who's Manhaj is in accoridance with the 1st three generations. Scholars of this age used to term like Albani RH, Bakr Abu Zaid (Xafidahullah) and others. Ibn Uthaymin RH spoke about this at length and said while it is not mandatory to use the term Salafi, there is no harm in one to use it if they want to make their manhaj clear to others. For the ones who think this is new, how about "Ahlu Sunnah"? This was used by the people of the Sunnah to differentiate themselves from the Shiyah, Khawaarij and others who reared their heads. Yes, We know from the Hadith that Rasuululah SAW said that We should call ourselves "Muslim, Mu'min, Ibaadlah" However today there are so called Muslims who commit shirk worshiping graves of saints other than Allah swt and they call themselves Muslims. There are "Muslims" who deny the attributes of Allah swt, there are "Muslims" who reject the Sunnah altogether and say "We only believe in the Quran" wal yacuudu bilah.


As for calling oneself Salafi, remember from the hadith Rasuululah SAW said "Alaykum bi sunnati, wa sunnatul khulafaa'u Raashidiina min ba'di". My sunnah is incumbant upon You as well as the Sunnah of the righteous Khulafaa (Abu Bakr, Cumar, Uthman, Ali, and the rest of the sahabah". Rasuululah SAW said there will be 70 some odd sects in Islam and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one, When He was who, He said "Aladeenahum ala maa ana alaywa wa ashaabi" Those who are on what I am on and My Sahabah. We know that Iman is belief in the heart, speech of the tounge, and action of the limbs. Speech doesn't have any effect if it is not followed by action, and action and speach do not have any effect if it is not followed by At-Tibaa'a (Following the Sunnah) and action, speach, and tibaa'ah do not have any effect unless they have ikhlaas (sincerity). Every group will be in the hellfire, except for those who ascribe to the manhaj of the Rasuul and His Sahabah (The Salaf) and Allah knows best.


Btw,

Surrender I don't know Why You make these threads on Snet When You know all of us here are ignorant and come for all sorts of reasons besides deen. Do You just want to confuse Yourself?

More like pure Wahabi narrow interpretation of Islam

Islam, in our understanding and that of the majority of Muslims, both scholars and non-scholars, is the Islam of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a -- The People of the Way of the Prophet and the Community of Muslims. Chief and foremost among them are the true Salaf of Islam: the Companions, the Successors, and their Successors according to the Prophet's sound hadith in Muslim: "The best century is my century, then the one following it, then the one following that." All the scholars understood by that hadith that the true Salaf were the models of human behavior and correct belief for us Muslims and for all mankind, that to follow them was to follow the Prophet, and that to follow the Prophet was to achieve salvation according to Allah's order: "Whoever obeys the Prophet obeys Allah" (4:80).

In our time, however, the name Salaf has been usurped by a movement which seeks to impose its own narrow interpretation of Religion towards a re- fashioning of the teachings of Islam. The adherents of this movement call themselves "Salafi." Such an appellation is baseless since the true Salaf knew no such school as the "Salafi" school nor even called themselves by that name; the only general name they recognized for themselves was that of Muslim. As an eminent scholar has stated, the Salafiyya is not a recognized school of thought in Islam, rather, it refers to a blessed historical period of our glorious past.

In reality, today's so-called "Salafi" movement, now about thirty years old, is the modern outgrowth of an two-century old heresy spawned by a scholar of the Najd area in the Eastern part of the Arabian peninsula by the name of Muhammad ibn 'Abd al- Wahhab (1703-1792). This scholar has been refuted by a long line of scholars both in his time and ours.

In essence, the Wahhabi/Salafi practice of takfir, which is their declaring Muslims unbelievers, according to criteria not followed by the pious Salaf but devised by modern-day "Salafis." Time and time again the "Salafis" went out of bounds in condemning the Umma (Muslim Community) on the question of taqlid, declaring unbelievers all those who practice taqlid, that is, the majority of Muslims.

As the The Prophet said, Peace be upon him: "My Community will split into seventythree sects. All of them will be in the fire except one group." They asked: "Who are they, O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "Those that follow my way and that of my companions."[2] This is a rallying-cry to the Firm Rope of 1,418 years of mainstream Islam and an invitation to reject the absurd claim of the "Salafi" movement that it is they, and not Ahl al-Sunna, who are the Saved Group. As many very well known scholars ask -- may Allah have mercy on them: If the saved group are those who came after Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab, then what is the status of all those who came before him, and that of the majority of those who came after him -- that is, Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama'a?

[surrender]

thanks murax, shilling and xamud!!

ps: murax im only asking people i wona hear your views, and i want other snetters to learn something about sufism and salafism, because many of us dont even know the difference! and wouldnt know what they are! you know i was brought up in somalia, and when we was at malcaamad, we werent thought about different sects, we used to learn about the quran, hadiths, and basic islamic teaching. all these different sects are new to me, and eye opener! esp. in my city of UK where i live, different sunni/islamic sects are becoming big issue within the somali community, in fact i even heard there are new somali shia in cities like b'ham. we therefore need to learn and know and be aware of them!!

[Voltage]

Lakin Surrender even a baby knows the difference between Salafi and Sufi and here I thought inaad wadaadad tahay.

[The_Emperior5]

Lakin Surrender even a baby knows the difference between Salafi and Sufi and here I thought inaad wadaadad tahay.

surrender mar mar bay is yeel yeesha she knows the difference. run ahaanti, i think thats the basics of islam maha u dont have to be a culumo to know this iyo siiday oo kala baxaan