why does there seem to be two maps of Somali Galbeed

[sadeboi]

The Arsi/harari and co. other Muslim oromos are our brothers..lakiin the rest gaalo-madow should be pushed further

[AbdiWahab252]

The Arsi/harari and co. other Muslim oromos are our brothers..lakiin the rest gaalo-madow should be pushed further

Sadeboi,


Why ?


Bareento,

I know, Oromo people are very nice and easy going people. So are you suggesting we assimilate the 400,000 Oromo in Somalia ?

[bareento]

The Arsi/harari and co. other Muslim oromos are our brothers..lakiin the rest gaalo-madow should be pushed further

Sadeboi,


Why ?


Bareento,

I know, Oromo people are very nice and easy going people. So are you suggesting we assimilate the 400,000 Oromo in Somalia ?

I think Somalis r not assmilitionist;
Your relation is based on Blood unlike we Oromos who r openly assilitionist
Believe me when the situation in Ethiopia gets a little bit better, they will go back home
I temember, at the fall Derg, all Oromos in Djibouti left for Ethiopia in two weeks, to the extent that the Djibouti gouvernment asked some of them to stay.
Plz do not think that those poor guys in Somalia r there to take your land, we do not have this mentality!

We r hard working peasants, if u guys have farms and looking for farmers here we r

Peace

Bareento

[AbdiWahab252]

Bareento,

Which group of Oromo have the most beautiful women in your opinion ? How many of the Oromo still practice Waaqefena ?

[bareento]

Bareento,

Which group of Oromo have the most beautiful women in your opinion ? How many of the Oromo still practice Waaqefena ?

AbdiWahab and Oromo Women

I think the champions of beauty r Wallo Oromo around Khamise and Bati followed by Arsi and Harar;

In fact Only Boran and Guji practice Waaqeefenna, I think not even one Million Oromos follow Waaqeefenna.
But Waaqeefennaa being our ancient religion, we r all attached to it
Mind u Waqeefennaa do not contradict Islam or Christianity
So millions of Oromos r no longer followers but attached to it

If u want how do wallo oromo chicks look, check this clip



Peace

Bareento

[AbdiWahab252]

BAreento,

Who can dislike beautiful women


Its sad to see people losing their native religions

[SomaliAmir]

Hi SomaliAmir,
Funny that u take Jaarso as exemple; these guys started speaking Somali but now they r part of Oromia (remember the FUNYAN BIIRA(Gursum) episode)
As for Nolee, never Somalized; The Akichu is trying to do the samething like the Jarso; them and some obscure Somali/Oromo tribes r yelling to join the Oromia, although they do not speak Oromiffa! If they succeed JIGJIGA will be surrounded by Oromia!
I think u have to seriously check your assimilating mecanism
GABRAS r proto somali people never admitted in OROMO they had TIRRISO status (equivalent to your SHEEGGATTO )

The Wagnerian vision of 14 (or 22) MILLION Somalis geeljire attacking the 40 (32) million Oromo peasants is laughable; its 19TH century romantic nationalism

Jarso, were oromo or a mixed somali/oromo population, yet see how quickly they have embrass somali culture and especailly our language, the fact that Wayane gave Gursum district to oromia is of very little importance, the Jarso continue to assimalite into the great Somali family just like the Werra Gerri kombo of the Babila. the nolee are somalianized to a degree since some take the Dir Lineages of their neighbours. the Akichu/Akisho have been surrounded by oromo for 300 year and yet they haven't lose their somalinimo, even if they are multilingual. forget about surrounding jigjig, even if manage to miraculously gain the south, you'll still have to deal with the Gerri Kombo to the southeast, Ishaq to North and the Dir clans to the Northwest.

I'll assume that since you Barento, that you have very little knowledge about the clans that live in the south especailly the Borana, their folklore goes that once a man had 3 sons, and on a particular night, his garment fell off exposing his nakeness, one son laught, one averted his eye and the eldest try to cover his father with a cloth. the first was cursed and his people become the Wako, a reviled ethnic group of hunters in the south, the second become the Gabra herds of camels and the eldest become the Borana. regardless of the biblical similiaries this shows the close interconnectedness that the Gabra share with the Borana. in kenya, both are called Borana by all the other ethnic groups.

the odd are still in our favor since the oromo have no united political will and are surround by other who want oromo land. Benishangul-Gumuz are become increasing problematic for the Wellega, there are 5 million Amhara in Oromia today and when the north get squezed their favor place to off load northerns is usally oromia. so our odds are actually must better than you think. and by the way, you should be concern with the amount of influence the Amhara have over the Tulama, soon Shawa will become a Amhara lake further isolating the western oromo from those in the east.

In my opinion, the same reasons pushing Somalis westward in Southern Oromia is pushing Eastward the Oromos in North East Oromia;
In the South a combination of factors like Population growth and steady climate change pushes the Nomads (Oromos and Somalis but mainly Somalis) westward;
In the Northeast Oromia, 6 million Oromos r living in a very confined space; only the eldest son can stay on the fathers farm the others should leave...

The North East Oromos start looking at arable good Somal land as Solution: they already starte settling there individually!
We r indistrious people, we can turn the desert into an oasis; anyway u guys r aristocratic Nomads, why dont u let us work your land?
Do u prefer the Mangistu's plan and having 1 MILLION AMHAR in OGADENIA?

we lost the lands east of Harar because Somali refused to work as selfs for Ras Makonnen, so he evict the SOmali clans and settle oromo peasant west of Harar to cultivate the land and pay him taxes. now Somali have started farming around Jigjig so much so that it become diffult to gain access to arable land. so you'll go have to find some where else to put your excess population, have you try southern Sudan, lush land waiting to be taken. somalis are arrogent, pridefull and bit lazy but we're not stupid, if we let you in, even as extra farm hands, eventually you population while increase and my people might become minorities in their own lands and your long residence in Somali areas will legitimacy an oromo bogus claim/right to Somali arable lands. heck no, you should try to migrate to Tigray, I hear the MEKELA is nice this time of year, and why not if Amhara and Tigranya can use the ethiopian card to move and settle where they please not the oromo. as for settling Amhara in western Galbeed, Mengistu already tried that, he settle Wello Amhara in and around Gode, but due to poor logistics and lack of support most return to Amhara or move to Addis in the 50s and 60s.

[bareento]

Hello SomaliAmir,

My point was not to debate about u about tribes, I was pointing out that the same forces pushing u west wards in south Oromia, r pushing us east Wards in North east Oromia!
To say the truth the surplus population is mainly sent in West Wellegga; and they r genearally doing great
Jarsos, fought for 10 years to be part of Oromia; they r bilingual and were more attached to Somalidom.
But the Somali attitude, specially those of BIG TRIBES who were after their land to create ranches or to give to their kinsmen, pissed them off
All minority tribes in that area, weather Somali or Oromo r still asking to join Oromia.
Honestly if u ask if u ask me if those tribes r Somalized oromos or Oromized Somalis, I DONT KNOW!

I remember seeing them some months ago, on Oromo television telling in broken Oromo with that sweet Somali accent, wat they went through in Somali big tribes' hand.

The Oromo revival is so strong, that I do not fear for the Tulamas, mind u 2 to 3 million people goes to the Waaqeefennaa festival called Irreecha in the heart of Tulama land (Bushooftu)

As for your story about Boran and Gabra: plz we r AFRICANS, dont come to us with this your middle eastern historys.
wat will u be telling me next, that the one guy climbed over a tree and he refused to ........?
Or that a Boran is the son of Sheikh Mustapha bani Hashim
every nation has its norms, our norms r AFRICAN WE R THE SONS OF WAAQA TOKICHA ( the one GOD), WAAQA GURRAACHA (THE BLACK GOD)
to hell arabs and their crazy myths; I only share religion with them thats all

Peace

Bareento

[James Dahl]

You know it's interesting you mention one of the names of Waaq, that being Waaqa Gurracha. The Black God was one of the names of Horus in ancient Egypt.

[bareento]

You know it's interesting you mention one of the names of Waaq, that being Waaqa Gurracha. The Black God was one of the names of Horus in ancient Egypt.

Hi James,

One of the phrases I love the most, often repeated in WAQEEFENNA RELIGION is:

OROMOn GURRACHA, GARAAn saa GURRACHA, WAAQNI saa GURRACHA ,
litterally translates to
OROMO is black, his "guts" r black and his GOD is black
black is the color of PURITY and INNOCENCE in that religion
GARAAN SAA GURRACHA to say very merciful

Peace

B

[SomaliAmir]

SomaliAmir, Truth to be said, only Borana r, for obvious reasons, antagonistic toward Somalis.
The christian Oromos have this mystics of Cushitic people and they r, believe me or not very admiratif of Somalis!
As for the Afran qallo Oromos let me tell u, plz do not laugh....until the age of 10 I used to think Somali and Oromo was the same people kkkkk

My Good Friend SomaliAmir, do not believe wat u read at Oromoindex Forum
I suspect u r the same caracter who used to intervene there ; those guys r ancient Derg (Mangistu) Cadres, and Gadaa Fundamentalists

But I have to add, that lately some Somali attitudes has damaged some sympathy we had for Somalis (I remember a Somali MP claiming Goba, Asella, Madda Walaabu on television)

Oromo nationalism, is in its infancy, majority Oromos have huge sympathy for Somalis, mayhaps its time u stop thinking every Oromoland is to be conquered.
And then we can have clear understanding and whynot cooperation

Peace

Bareento

you seem like a nice guy, but you have be all wrong i have no ambition of conquest, however i do want my people to be aware that there are ongoing disputes between somalis and oromos as well as other issue but although i try to take a neutral tone, when it come to my people i end up losing all objectivity. if you have ready any of my post on Oromoindex you know what i mean.

however, my experience in Oromoindex have been sobering. once you strip away once Naivety and idealism, you left with a more mature understand of the world around you and that how somalis and oromos should engage each other.

none of this weak knee/ cushtic renainsance/ brotherhood nonsense but as two groups with differing agandas that have to develop common goals and comprise when difference arise that the only way forward.

[SomaliAmir]

The Reer-Hasan (Marexaan) and the Oromo were fighting in Libaan region in Nagelle as far as lat year, so the Somalis still have a foothold there Somaliamir.

there are still fighting but since 1995 the Merahan were pushed all the way to filtu by the Borana who want all of liban including the Territory settle by the Somali

[SomaliAmir]

Bareento,

Which group of Oromo have the most beautiful women in your opinion ? How many of the Oromo still practice Waaqefena ?

Wello oromo have the most beautiful women amoung all oromo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDyYFyFgnQ8

[The Nomad]

There has never been any solidarity between Somalis and Oromo, be it on the basis of religion or the fact that both are oppressed in Ethiopia, to pretend otherwise is dishonest.

Oromo are a people who have no unifying culture, religion, language or as many will be quick to deny, even ethnicity. Habesha have done a number on them, the OLF does not garner support from most Oromo and is reviled by many Oromo who's loyalty is to Amhara or Tigray depending on proximity.

No similarities. The only thing Somalis in Ethiopia and Oromo have in common is their shared knack for being useless in spite of their number.

[djibsomali]

bareento stay in this forum for good!
cause you have owned this debate from the start and have show how proud you are of your african origin.
unlike some poor dark somalis self hating we have here who believe that they came to somalia with a big flying carpet that carried thousands of them.

I am learning so much about oromo mentality (thanks to you) and point of view in horn of africa.