Somali genetic genealogy, my attempt at subclades

[GeoDesic]

James Dahl



You are a brother to us, never mind suspicious somalis who every now and then question your purpose and interest in us. I invite you to Islam as well so we can seal this brotherhood eternally Keep up the good work bro. Thanks for everything.

[galia2]

James Dahl we love you man, walahi we need to find you a nice sweet young somali life, to take good care of you

[Basra-]

hoorta is this James guy retarded??? Making a graphy of busy nothing and presenting it as serious study tool?? I mean, WTF?

[GeoDesic]

hoorta is this James guy retarded??? Making a graphy of busy nothing and presenting it as serious study tool?? I mean, WTF?

Where is your respect Basra? James is genuine. Don't embarrass us please

[Basra-]

Geo... ...I see i have spoken your thoughts.

[SahanGalbeed]

James Dahl is a great guy!He reminds me of the danish women I have seen way back in the day driving across wilderness in their Land Cruiser who had a danish flag stuck on their door and would greet with a big smile everybody they come across .I thought to myself 'God must be protecting these women ,they project such a sense of confidence kind of ...who could possibly hate us ,we're from Danemark! " . Wether he becomes muslim or not is irrelevant , he comes from a good stock ! Do your thing man ! PS:for the rest of you al shabaab madafakas,spare me your danish cartoons stories okay?,I don't give a fuck !

[James Dahl]

Thanks folks
The one thing this study does prove is that Somalis have a strong connection with the Nile and Sudan, but the nature of that connection is unclear. It is for instance unclear whether the E1b1b1a1b lineage originated in Somalia and migrated north to the Nile, or the other way around. Either way this migration probably took place about 5,000-10,000 years ago, before even the earliest civilizations and truly part of "pre-history".

It may have had to do with the spread of pastoralism, as depicted in the Las Geel caves, which were created during this period.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the majority of E1b1b1a1b people are pastoral people.

hoorta is this James guy retarded??? Making a graphy of busy nothing and presenting it as serious study tool?? I mean, WTF?

Well I wouldn't say it's very useful outside of the very narrow study of Y chromosome lineages within the context of genetic genealogy.

[Gara Man]

James dahl i just for the first time just checked your abtirsi website by luck (i know im late) and looked at your Oromo genealogy but i think its limited.

Do you plan on updating it anytime soon?

[James Dahl]

James dahl i just for the first time just checked your abtirsi website by luck (i know im late) and looked at your Oromo genealogy but i think its limited.

Do you plan on updating it anytime soon?

The limited information I have on Oromo genealogy, that's all I know
If you can help by all means please do

[James Dahl]

James Dahl

You are a brother to us, never mind suspicious somalis who every now and then question your purpose and interest in us. I invite you to Islam as well so we can seal this brotherhood eternally Keep up the good work bro. Thanks for everything.

Thanks GeoDesic

[Gara Man]

James dahl i just for the first time just checked your abtirsi website by luck (i know im late) and looked at your Oromo genealogy but i think its limited.

Do you plan on updating it anytime soon?

The limited information I have on Oromo genealogy, that's all I know
If you can help by all means please do

For starters i thought under barentu/uma anniyaa were bros of Humbannaa not the descendant of him and wallo has 8 sub clans so your missing 4 others.


Overally i like your site and give respect.

[Nabeela]

Never seen so much futo rox in one place, adoonyada waxan ugu nicbahay naagees iyo futo rox.

[James Dahl]

James dahl i just for the first time just checked your abtirsi website by luck (i know im late) and looked at your Oromo genealogy but i think its limited.

Do you plan on updating it anytime soon?

The limited information I have on Oromo genealogy, that's all I know
If you can help by all means please do

For starters i thought under barentu/uma anniyaa were bros of Humbannaa not the descendant of him and wallo has 8 sub clans so your missing 4 others.
Overally i like your site and give respect.

Thanks
Oromo genealogy is really, really confusing, though I'm pretty sure Anniyaa is a son/descendant of Humbannaa. Qaalloo has some level of relation to Humbannaa as well, though it's probably either adoptive or via marriage.

The main problem is that the Oromo clan system is dealing with clan branches created long before the Somali system, but also without the tradition of everyone being aware of their full lineage like in the Somali system, especially amongst Christian Oromos. There are very few people who really understand it all, such as Hajji Mormor.

[bareento]

The limited information I have on Oromo genealogy, that's all I know
If you can help by all means please do

For starters i thought under barentu/uma anniyaa were bros of Humbannaa not the descendant of him and wallo has 8 sub clans so your missing 4 others.
Overally i like your site and give respect.

Thanks
Oromo genealogy is really, really confusing, though I'm pretty sure Anniyaa is a son/descendant of Humbannaa. Qaalloo has some level of relation to Humbannaa as well, though it's probably either adoptive or via marriage.

The main problem is that the Oromo clan system is dealing with clan branches created long before the Somali system, but also without the tradition of everyone being aware of their lineage like in the Somali system, which is why the Somali system is much easier to understand. There are very few Oromo men who really understand it all, such as Hajji Mormor.

James,

Humbanna has 5 children....

In fact the Oromo classification is much simpler than the Somali one...because of the moiety structure
Oromo clan structure is very easy to comprehend at tribe/clan/subclan level, but gets tricky if u go deeper
The thing is , James, if u want to go the sub/sub/clan level, it will get very complicated as u will be dealing with very much bigger population. for instance
the Afran Qallo alone r estimated to 2.5 to 3 million....mind u AQ is a small confederation...


B.

[James Dahl]

James,

Humbanna has 5 children....

In fact the Oromo classification is much simpler than the Somali one...because of the moiety structure
Oromo clan structure is very easy to comprehend at tribe/clan/subclan level, but gets tricky if u go deeper
The thing is , James, if u want to go the sub/sub/clan level, it will get very complicated as u will be dealing with very much bigger population. for instance
the Afran Qallo alone r estimated to 2.5 to 3 million....mind u AQ is a small confederation...

B.

Interesting, I didn't know that. What are their names?
My solution to the problem of the complexity of it all is to tackle the problem at the lineage level, the only way to make sense of it all is to compare the full lineages, especially where there are very common names involved. Otherwise one will just get confused over which Ittu or which Tuulaama one is talking about.