ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN AND SOMALI SOCIETY!!

[djibsomali]

Now gentlemen and ladies who agree with Dr-yalloxo and leila.

that if you have sex with a woman without prior meheer, the kid is not a bastard (wecel, garac)!

If the majority of somali agree.
then we make a fatwa here tonigth, that there is no point in meheer

[guryasame]

djibouti I think u touched a nerve here.

So Dr. Yalaxow, just knowing who knocked up a girl makes the child legit?

[djibsomali]

BASTARD= if the person was born out of nikaaax or whit out nikaaax then the person is wacal.

Hortaa what is he attention span like???
does he forget so easily what he write????

Wallahi it was 30 minutes ago that he was writing this!!

[grandpakhalif]

I quit reading after the first few rebuttals DR YALAXOOW's capitalization and djibouti's incoherant paragraphs give me a headache.

[djibsomali]

djibouti I think u touched a nerve here.

So Dr. Yalaxow, just knowing who knocked up a girl makes the child legit?

This thread is really good for those student in psychology.
It is a good thread to analyse and deduct some conclusion of what it happening in here

[Dalton]

Is sin inheritable? I thought it was Christianity which entertained that view, not Islam.

[djibsomali]

Is sin inheritable? I thought it was Christianity which entertained that view, not Islam.

nothing to do with sin being inherited or not

It is, what constitute a bastard in islam ?

[Firefly]

Dr-Yalaxoow:- I think you're wrong, ma ogtahay waxaad leedahay? A child conceived out of wedlock/nikaax is illegitimate.

“The child will be attributed to the husband and the adulterer will receive the stone.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1458)

If a woman is married and thereupon has a child, this child will be attributed to her lawful husband, but if she wasn't married, the child is attributed to her alone. The adulterer (husband) is deprived of the right of paternity, and the child has no inheritance.

Djibsomali:- Haye adna, are you callin' people here illegitimate? Caadi matihiin.

[guryasame]

Is sin inheritable? I thought it was Christianity which entertained that view, not Islam.

Marriage is a sacred institution meant to protect the line of prophet Adam cs from corruption. The claim of descent is much more than the biological phenomenon of reproduction.

[Dalton]

It is, what constitute a bastard in islam ?

How do you answer that? You start with whether children are liable for their parent's mistakes, right? So it's everything to do whether children morally inherit their parent's sins/mistakes.
Let me give you an example: in Genesis, Adam & Eve are thrown of The Garden of Eden because of their mistake in eating the forbidden fruit, and their children are as a result punished
for that; that is, the whole reason we are here and not in Garden of Eden is something that was done by our parents. We are the bearers of a burden that we did not commit. It's what they
call the Original Sin. Because of that in the Early Middle ages England a child whose mum was accused of being a witch or a slut was not allowed to attend the established Christian schools.

[Firefly]

^ The concept of Original Sin doesn't exist in Islam.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Dr-Yalaxoow:- I think you're wrong, ma ogtahay waxaad leedahay? A child conceived out of wedlock/nikaax is illegitimate.

“The child will be attributed to the husband and the adulterer will receive the stone.” (Sahih Muslim, no: 1458)

If a woman is married and thereupon has a child, this child will be attributed to her lawful husband, but if she wasn't married, the child is attributed to her alone. The adulterer (husband) is deprived of the right of paternity, and the child has no inheritance.

Djibsomali:- Haye adna, are you callin' people here illegitimate? Caadi matihiin.

stoning is hall another sheeko becouse stoning it self is not in the quran therefore stoning its un-islamic. and thats hadiith contradicst AYAAH QURAAN in suuratul noor and nisaa which both says adultrer should be karbaash 100 karbaash kaliya and no killing.

ka bax suaaashaas.

war djabouti your shiica soo maaha?
MUTCAA MAXAY TAHAY SHIICADA WAA laba qafood doonaya inay isku dhuftaan nin iyo naag oo isku dhuftey daqiiqad ka hor intii aysan isku dhifan ayey nikaaax ku meel gaar ah afka wada galayaan. waa shiicada.

even SUNNAH qaasatan waahaabiyada sacuudiga waa lee yihiin something whichs look liek MUTCAH.

war diinta islaamka xitaa ma jirto clear line tusaaale( am maa malakat aymaankaum) waa arin ay CARABTA sameeyn jireen oo ah

SUUQA ayaad tageysaa NAAG ayaad soo iibsaneysaa naagtaas ALL SCHOLARS markaad weydiiso waxay ku oranayaan:

ADEER NAAGTA SLAVE ma nikaaxsanayaa intii aah SEX la yeelan??
jawaabta maya may NIKAAX uma baahna waa adoontaadii

yaaah xitaa haddii ay i diidana?

kuma diidi karto adigaa leh!

micnaha waan rape gareynaa soo maaha?
mmmm????

nikaax la,aan soo macsi maaha sheekhoow??

maya waa adoonkaaga nikaax uma baahna

walaahi shiikhyada sidaas ayey ku macneeyaan micnaha NIKAAX LA,AAN NAAG WAAD BIIQI KARTAA

marka mar waa macsi nikaax la,aan

AWMAA MALAKAT AYMAANAKUM nikaax uma maaha.

wax macquul maaba aha.

[Dalton]

^ The concept of Original Sin doesn't exist in Islam.

Then if Adam & Eve were thrown out of Eden to Earth because of their mistake, what on Earth have we done to be here?

[Dalton]

Is sin inheritable? I thought it was Christianity which entertained that view, not Islam.

Marriage is a sacred institution meant to protect the line of prophet Adam cs from corruption. The claim of descent is much more than the biological phenomenon of reproduction.

What does that has to do with what I said?

[guryasame]

Dalton:

The original sin concept is rejected in Islam, Adam cs repented immidiately and was forgiven by Allah for his mistake.

Umar Ibn Al-Khattab also narrated that Prophet Muhammad said: “Musa said‘My Lord! May I see Adam who removed us and himself from the Paradise?’ So Allah made him see Adam, and he said to him: ‘Are you Adam?’ Adam said: ‘Yes.’ And he said: ‘Were you the one in whom Allah breathed His spirit, and before whom He bowed His angels, and to whom He taught the names of all things? Adam answered: ‘Yes.’ So Musa said: ‘What made you remove us and yourself from Paradise?’ Adam said unto him: ‘Who are you?’ He said: ‘I am Musa.’ Adam said: ‘So you are Musa the prophet of the Children of Israel. Were you the one Allah spoke to directly?’ Musa answered: ‘Yes.’ Adam said: ‘Why do you blame me for a matter which Allah had predestined?”‘ So Allah’s Prophet Muhammad said twice. “Adam outclassed Musa.” Adam’

The discussion here has nothing to do with the original sin.