byee universal xamar

[galia]

19 years and counting. We wait for the day when the TFGs power will affect Somaliland

19 years and counting still no Somaliland recognition. If you never had recognition when we were at our lowest ebb than what makes you think that you would have recognition today. When the TFG is politically supreme in somalia's international support. Domestically with EU support we are building on Somalia's military. The world's not interested in Hargaysa, the worlds interested in Mogadishu, simple as that walaal. We got Ugandan troops here in Mogadishu that inshalla would be replaced by UN troops. You guys are politically dead and out of the game. You missed the bigger picture

You represent a more hawkish strand of Hawiye's intent on destruction. This is a minority, you would be hard pressed to find a hawiye who harbours hatred and resentment towards Somaliland.

Proud to say that i am Hawiye, stand for somali unity and the dream of greater somalia. We never handed over a Ogaden brother unlike Somaliland iyo Puntland. Ethiopia punished us hard for being Wadani but we took it all with pride and defend somali honour with the lives of Hawiye sons

[qoraxeey]

THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT UNIVERSAL TV

[marcassmith]

19 years and counting. We wait for the day when the TFGs power will affect Somaliland

19 years and counting still no Somaliland recognition. If you never had recognition when we were at our lowest ebb than what makes you think that you would have recognition today. When the TFG is politically supreme in somalia's international support. Domestically with EU support we are building on Somalia's military. The world's not interested in Hargaysa, the worlds interested in Mogadishu, simple as that walaal. We got Ugandan troops here in Mogadishu that inshalla would be replaced by UN troops. You guys are politically dead and out of the game. You missed the bigger picture

The begging bowl is never full is it? Somaliland has grown from the ashes like a phoenix. Everything we have today has been the result of our diverse and cosmopolitan people collective efforts, great strides towards development and hard-work. Each person in Somaliland has invested in the nation-building and has worked hard for our collective efforts to have peace, stability and prosperity. While the so-called TFG has no connection with the average person on the street. They don't know the concerns of ordinary folk on the street, but certainty know how to steal from the begging bowl while their people live a life of poverty, displacement and squalor. Our governance is organic, build from the bottom-up. NOT imposed from afar.

Galia, I am glad that the Southerner are on the verge of getting their acts together! However this is built on shaky foundations and will very soon collapse, albeit with some disastrous consequences. Somaliland politics is built on Hobbs notions of high politics and low politics, we have been able to concentrate on low politics- provide basic goods, controlling inflation, subsidising foods, ensuring safety and security. Whereas Southern Somali Politics is based on High politics on issues to do with sovereignty- although there is a lack of sovereignty as southerner have developed a tendency of inviting external forces to their country, security – complete lack of a security, no functioning security apparatus etc!. Thus Southern Somali politics is guided not so much by general principles of existence by creating a peaceful and harmonious living for its citizens but a desire for the participants to survive politically in response to changing circumstances. Though none ever do so! It is more a merry-go-around or spin the bottle type of politics!

[marcassmith]

I think you need a closer examination of history Galia. The SNM and USC had the same objectives, while we reminded united for a common cause, the USC disintegrated. However remarkable your failures, we cannot be held responsible. That is your own doing and your responsibility.

USC

Anyway the balls back in our court, TFG is mashallah the government of somalia, including somaliland (by paper).
By record Somaliland remained silent when ethiopian troops were massacring Hawiye in Mogadishu, so much for brotherhood. Walaal there's not much power that we have against somaliland, as we are up-to our necks dealing with darood/eelaay al-shabaab rebels. Inshallah in these coming months when we take complete control of Mogadishu than thats when Hargaysa shall feel the earth quake, and wake up from its so called somaliland dream. The question is do you wanna be our equal partners in bringing stability to a united Somalia or must you force us to unleash the darood dogs on you.

Somaliland was never an equal parnter on this so-called political constuct known as 'Somalia'. When on the 26th June 1960, Britain granted independence to the Somaliland protectorate, ending 80 years of colonial rule, some 38 countries recognised Somaliland. Although theoretically united as a single nation at independence, the former Italian colony in the south and Somaliland were from an institutional standpoint, two separate countries. Italy and Britain had left them with separate administrative, legal and education system where affairs were conducted in different languages. Police, taxes and the exchange rates of their currencies were also different. The orientations of their educated elites were divergent and economic contacts between the two regions were virtually non-existent.

It thus came to pass soon the union between the legal states of Somalia and Somaliland was driven by an irresistible blind impulse and pure unreasoning emotion. Both the impulsiveness and the emotions were exclusively and solely from the Somaliland side. Those emotional and impulsive Somaliland leaders who took seriously the ritual lip service to the romantic notion of ‘Greater Somalia’, soon sadly has found themselves living to rue naïve actions.

Somaliland has gone its way by reaffirming its independent status, that we once enjoyed for a brief 5 days, 50 years ago. We do not have no interest in joining the TFG! This goes against our national interest! and with the TFG in its current condition, we shall see and play the waiting game, until, a TFG with common sense assumes power that is both ready to accept its place and size among the nations of the Somali pennisula.

God Bless

[Eaglehawk]

universal tv is te greats thing that happend to somalis since sliced bread but they are pushing their luck as they pioneer somali broadcasting.
I knew universal tv was a disorganized basement crew when they broadcasted hotel shamo massacre, that showed me, the universal tv does not profesnionl organisation that folows the ethics and regulations of broadcasting, it seems like they are like a baby learning to to walk.


and about somaliland

The politcians past burco are using something similar to republican party`s ssouthern startegy. the somaliland masses and voice are similar to black voters in the deep south basicly inconsequential, the somaliland quest for independence is like a black man running for president in nixon and reagan era. the world and somalis in general would not even care if a allien landed in hargeisa
I always believed that if somaliland was vaiable entity, it would have happend in 91, when the world was going through changes, it was then that one can say that there was a chance, because it was then when new states emerged and old states disintegrated.
but hey somalilands aims is not independence but cry to be noticed and even us discusing them would uplift their small status among the bigg players of somali politics
<------weather people like it or not, this the flag u should be fighting for and fighting about, because that is the only state that will cary the name somali and I know 100% percent the elite in somalilandf know perfectly well.
basicly why would they stop a nice scam that has been running well since 91.

[ciyaal_warta]

It’s a shame that universal TV showed these imagines, I think its more of a technical mishap then a calculated effort to stretch the freedom of expression boundary.

It also brings me great satisfaction that Universal TV is contributing to promoting the discourse on Somaliland. Notice, they no longer say region, but rather 'Somaliland' as though a separate entity. It’s always Somalia iyo Somaliland, just how it should be, well at least according to the facts on the ground. This is indeed a positive step towards establishing the facts on the ground.

Somaliland=dhulkii somalia..now how can seperate dhulkii somalia from somalia..

am waiting the answer of that question for almost a decade..in 2002 i asked ma qaldan friend till now he cant gimme a proper answer

[galia]

a TFG with common sense assumes power that is both ready to accept its place and size among the nations of the Somali pennisula.

Walaal you must be joking, we will never give you a equal footing and at best shall afford the statutes of a state like Puntland/Galmudug. We have a foothold thanks to the Dhulbaante card.
God willing the day the TFG assumes total supremacy in the south is the day with one hand click that you would run to Mogadishu as you have been running to Addis Abba for 20 years.

Any enemy to Somalia shall be wiped out by the blood of the sons of Hawiye, be they ethiopian, Jerberti al-shabaab or Hizbul shaytaan. Mashallah we got 2 shariffs who are now guiding us towards Guusha somaliweyne, along with President Caalin of Galmudug, who's giving unconditional recognition to the TFG, as the sole authority of Somalia.

Now we have the full support of the:
-US
-UN
-AU
-EU
All these important bodies believe in the sovereignty of Somalia, that somalia should not be allowed to be dismembered. But most importantly they recognize the TFG as the government of Somalia (including somaliland)
All we have to do is build our governmental institutions, to benefit from this huge opportunity, so that Somalia can have greater assistance in terms of monetary support from the above bodies.
It is up to Hargaysa, for them to take the practical step towards engaging with the TFG. For them to continue to isolate themselves is their own loss not ours. Hargaysa has nothing to offer us but we have everything to offer them.

[marcassmith]

Now we have the full support of the:
-US
-UN
-AU
-EU

US - Created the current problem in Somalia Acting extra-judicially whenever it feels like, most recently in trying Somali pirates in Manhattan court. No respect for Somalia integrity and sovereignty
UN - Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah stealing from the begging bowl and exascerbating the current situation in Somalia
AU - Lets not even go there, single-handedly working against the interest of the Somali people. No African nations wants to see somalia stands on its own two feet!
EU - Agenda purely influenced by interest = no interest in Somalia. Turkey is the closest thing to a European Nation to help Somalia and they are not even in the EU! and their support is contingent on results but very likely, they too will fail where others also failed miserable.

They are not helping Somalia but making things go worst. On the other hand, none of these powers have played a similar role in Somaliland. Result = Peace, stability, democracy and prosperity.

[marcassmith]

Walaal you must be joking, we will never give you a equal footing and at best shall afford the statutes of a state like Puntland/Galmudug. We have a foothold thanks to the Dhulbaante card. God willing the day the TFG assumes total supremacy in the south is the day with one hand click that you would run to Mogadishu as you have been running to Addis Abba for 20 years.

The TFG is unable to function outside Mogadishu, in fact outside Villa Somalia, yet you speak of Somaliland.

[galia]

What you are forgetting is that the US feels that the time is ripe to stabilize Somalia. They have invested a lot in the TFG and Sheikh Shariff. And the TFG is critical as the only solution in dealing with Islamic terrorism, which is a threat to both US and Somali interest. Somaliland has isolated itself so much from somalia, that it bears no relevance to the US or any international body. Where Somaliland has failed the TFG has sweetly stepped in. You name it, Piracy, terrorism, all of these important issues somaliland has no relevance. Strategically Somaliland has no relevance, in terms of somali population density somaliland has no relevance. Marcassmith everything is always about relevance, the US, EU and AU all rightly see their interest in Mogadishu. That is the strategic center for the hearts and minds of the somali people. He who rules Mogadishu rules all somalis, that is a fact.

Mashallah the TFG is already setting about creating a professional banadiir police force

[galia]

The TFG is unable to function outside Mogadishu, in fact outside Villa Somalia, yet you speak of Somaliland.

Only for now walaal, but with continued US, AU and EU support we hope that we could begin to change the tide.
I am very optimistic, so much so that you find me here talking about Somaliland. Politically we have you on lock and thats a fact. Just to leave Somalia, you have to use the Somali passport not the fictitious somaliland one if by miracle there is such.

[original dervish]

As a southerner I don`t really think you can condem Somalidiids out of hand. Personally,I`m against secession of northern regions of Rep Somalia,but bear no real ill will toward my iidoor neighbours.
If you examine what they`ve achieved in the last 20 years,it`s very little to nothing.If you compare them to the south,then somalidiids have put a qaldan on the moon.its all relative.All of the existing infrastructure they have was built andpaid for by Rep Somalia,the port at berbera,highways,brideges,airport etc,these were all built by the Rep Somalia.In 20 year they`ve not been able to build 1 km of paved road,what does that tell you about the effectiveness of somaliland?
Most educated iidoor know they`ll never be recognised as an independent state,and as such they`ll never be able to deliver to their population.Isolationism just aint working,time to try something new.

[SahanGalbeed]

No more universal a gaalo sponsered tv in xamar for insulting our prophet

so the scholars, cleaners and everyone who works with universal are also gaalo.

the real gaalo are al-nacasiin

Nin baa wuxu yidhi al kalaabtu waxay ka dhigtay "ajnabigii diinta shalay ku soo biiray na mujaahid , somaligii weligii muslin aha na gaal " Walle been mu sheegin , inkarii idin ku dhacday al kalaabey!

[marcassmith]

What you are forgetting is that the US feels that the time is ripe to stabilize Somalia. They have invested a lot in the TFG and Sheikh Shariff. And the TFG is critical as the only solution in dealing with Islamic terrorism, which is a threat to both US and Somali interest.

Begging Bowl of Africa, this is a disgrace. TFG do not understand self-sufficiency? What happens when the funding stop? A government built by outsiders is susceptible to collapse! New uniforms for an incompetent ex-picket stop operators is hardly impressive.

Somaliland has isolated itself so much from somalia, that it bears no relevance to the US or any international body. Where Somaliland has failed the TFG has sweetly stepped in. You name it, Piracy, terrorism, all of these important issues somaliland has no relevance.

When Somaliland declared independence its sole responsibility to secure its own borders, cater to the needs of its people in a defined geographical entity, establishing a functioning system of governance. Our responsibility until today remains the same. If there are problems occurring outside our jurisdiction, that is not our responsibility. Piracy and terrorism stem from outside Somaliland and as such we will only deal with this when it infiltrating our borders. We have done an excellent job so far as piracy is concerned by maintaining pirate-free waters and cracking down on extremists.

Strategically Somaliland has no relevance, in terms of somali population density somaliland has no relevance. Marcassmith everything is always about relevance, the US, EU and AU all rightly see their interest in Mogadishu. That is the strategic center for the hearts and minds of the somali people.

Mogadishu is a ghost town. It bears no strategic relevance whatsoever. Its maybe of some political significance, especially in terms of being the recognised capital of Somalia but economically its became defunct, all its business people either operate in Eastleigh, Hargeisa, Bosasso or Dubai.

He who rules Mogadishu rules all somalis, that is a fact

Really?

[marcassmith]

As a southerner I don`t really think you can condem Somalidiids out of hand. Personally,I`m against secession of northern regions of Rep Somalia,but bear no real ill will toward my iidoor neighbours.
If you examine what they`ve achieved in the last 20 years,it`s very little to nothing.If you compare them to the south,then somalidiids have put a qaldan on the moon.its all relative.All of the existing infrastructure they have was built andpaid for by Rep Somalia,the port at berbera,highways,brideges,airport etc,these were all built by the Rep Somalia.In 20 year they`ve not been able to build 1 km of paved road,what does that tell you about the effectiveness of somaliland?
Most educated iidoor know they`ll never be recognised as an independent state,and as such they`ll never be able to deliver to their population.Isolationism just aint working,time to try something new.

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