Marehan Politicians and "Somali" Central State.

[Murax]

Abdalla,

You are delusional, and are taking facts from a Guy who's seething at Marexaan for guess what, admittingly getting His land taken. For one, Marexaan have been leaving Mudug nonstop since the 1800's. My subclan Cali Xusseen was Reer Mudug, they migrated, so did so many clans like Calidheere, Reer Diini, Reer Axmed, major clans of Marexaan. They all migrated to Gedo + Jubooyinka, and during the time of the Kacaan they migrated even more, and when Kismaayo and the surrounding areas were captured even more as Reer Gedo did not go to Jubbada Hoose only Reer Mudug. With all that migration, Marexaan's traditional land Balanbale (Where Your Adeer AY used Amxaaro to massacre Marexaan Geeljires) Caabudwaaq, Dhabat are still 100% Marexaan. As for Gelinsoor it was never 100% Marexaan but was mixed and even to this day, Wagardhac still live there in large numbers. Truth be told Caydiid tried to capture Caabudwaaq, Balanable so many times to break the back of the Marexaan who were really Daroods only resistance in Mudug but Balanbale, Caabudwaaq never fell. Galkacyo meanwhile fell in 30 seconds, and it was only with Marexaan that it was recaptured in the first place. Today Ahlu Sunnah, in Mudug Marexaan plays a prominant roll, Caabudwaaq is the hub of Galgudud, and their headquarters is there., and unsurprisingly it is Marexaan who is taking the lead role in creating a maamul for the entire central region. Btw, My Dad's been to Dhusamareeb, and meel lugu noolan karo maaha. Caabudwaaq/Balanbale meanwhile has the only pasture land in Galgudud.

[xoogSADE14]

Murax

To listen to these kids tell it, one would think Mareexaan are landless aliens who fell out of the sky in '69 and gobbled up everything.

[abdalla11]

Murax,

sxb i never said Dhuusamareeb and gelinsor use to be 100% mareexaan, lakiin they use to have a significant marexaan population and after the USC invasion you guys became a minority in those two cities, nobody can deny that. Lakiin i won´t buy it from anyone that you guys simply migrated during a frigging war waxaas yaa ka yeelayo? You don't just migrate during a war, you have to

As for your ridiculous statement that Marexan were the only real resistance well let's examine: you guys lost two cities, you abonded your precious president when shit got ugly, it took an MJ General to liberate Baardheere, 900 marehans surrundered to the USC and handled their weapons over, Caydiid gave victory speech in Dolow. What kind of resistance is that? You guys gave them a great karbaash in cabudwaaq and gedo, lakiin it took you so much energie that when you fought the al-itixaad you had to invite amxaar in Gedo in mid 90's. Defeating USC sucked the living life out of you, since then waxaad haber gedir unoqoteen magan

Gaalkacyo felt in 30 seconds, yes i admit that, lakiin be just and analyse it. Reer mudug were being dismantled since 1977, they didn't have any kind of weapons while the USC had more than 60% of the national arms and manpower, so there's no shame in that. The mooryaans killed hundreds of people in just a few hours, lakiin when we recieved firepower in exchange for fuel we drove them away. Waxaa la yiri qiyamihi inuu dhacay baa la mooday inta qof isku soo aruurtay, ciise maxamuudka baa ugu horayay. The leelkasse were appointed to defend to border, LL borders the Sacad, while the MJ's under the command of Gardheere were hunting the mooryaans who infiltrated gaalkacyo down, sidaas baa shaqada loo kala qabsaday. I don't know much about abtirsi iyo which qabiil settles where lakiin i do know how the battles were fought.

Only on the internet you will hear marehan liberated gaalkacyo, nin Axmed Gurey iyo Goita ibn Tedros sheegtay waxkasta waa ka macquul lol

[Murax]

Murax,

sxb i never said Dhuusamareeb and gelinsor use to be 100% mareexaan, lakiin they use to have a significant marexaan population and after the USC invasion you guys became a minority in those two cities, nobody can deny that. Lakiin i won´t buy it from anyone that you guys simply migrated during a frigging war waxaas yaa ka yeelayo? You don't just migrate during a war, you have to

As for your ridiculous statement that Marexan were the only real resistance well let's examine: you guys lost two cities, you abonded your precious president when shit got ugly, it took an MJ General to liberate Baardheere, 900 marehans surrundered to the USC and handled their weapons over, Caydiid gave victory speech in Dolow. What kind of resistance is that? You guys gave them a great karbaash in cabudwaaq and gedo, lakiin it took you so much energie that when you fought the al-itixaad you had to invite amxaar in Gedo in mid 90's. Defeating USC sucked the living life out of you, since then waxaad haber gedir unoqoteen magan

Gaalkacyo felt in 30 seconds, yes i admit that, lakiin be just and analyse it. Reer mudug were being dismantled since 1977, they didn't have any kind of weapons while the USC had more than 60% of the national arms and manpower, so there's no shame in that. The mooryaans killed hundreds of people in just a few hours, lakiin when we recieved firepower in exchange for fuel we drove them away. Waxaa la yiri qiyamihi inuu dhacay baa la mooday inta qof isku soo aruurtay, ciise maxamuudka baa ugu horayay. The leelkasse were appointed to defend to border, LL borders the Sacad, while the MJ's under the command of Gardheere were hunting the mooryaans who infiltrated gaalkacyo down, sidaas baa shaqada loo kala qabsaday. I don't know much about abtirsi iyo which qabiil settles where lakiin i do know how the battles were fought.

Only on the internet you will hear marehan liberated gaalkacyo, nin Axmed Gurey iyo Goita ibn Tedros sheegtay waxkasta waa ka macquul lol

The Marexaan who live in Gelinsoor are the Marexaan who live in what is known as Mudug today Wagardhac, who live in Southern Mudug. They live in Gelinsoor to this day, ask anybody who is Reer Gelinsoor. About Gedo, yea Gedo was invaded and captured by USC, Raxanwein etc. but where was the whole friggin "Darood headquarters"? Was it not Garbaharey? Ciyaar waa gelinka dhanbe, and Caydiid attacked Gedo because by attacking it it was breaking the Daroods back by capturing a Marexaan region. After the Afgoi battle, and the Darood Army was defeated ofcourse in the counter attack, they were chased. MSB AUN was not fighting for Marexaan He was fighting to restore a Gov and wanted Xamar. When He was defeated He wasn't going to get involved in qabiil tit for tats and become a warlord, so Marexaan were disorginized. Maxaa ka danbeeyey? USC was routed out of there, and the USC's top lieutenant Col Shabelle was killed in the counter attack. When Galkacyo was captured it was "Yaa Darood ah" when Gedo was captured, It was ' Yaa Marexaan ah'. Even My own relatives were part of the liberating armies of B Xaawo, Luuq and at the end USC was routed out of there, and Raxanwein were evicted for supporting them.



As for Marexaan and mudug, are You okay? Everybody from modern historians, Soomalida etc. know that Marexaan for CENTURIES not since the war have been leaving Mudug for the South even to this day (Kismaayo). We are talking about complete subclans, who migrated South, captured Oromo territory, took some as slaves and staked out a new territory pushing complete populations across the border into Kenya/Ethiopia. Infact most of the Marexaans My Parents age, barely even know Caabudwaaq or any of these places they left as childeren to Xamar, other parts of Somalia. That being said Marexaan's traditional areas, Caabudwaaq, Dhabat, Balanbale are to this day xaruun Marexaan, and we still live in Gelinsoor to this day. Marexaan GAIN, and don't lose lands.


As for Majerteen didn't have weapons, etc. sxb please, fact is Majerteens after the peace deal in 1980 were among the biggest beneficiaries of the Gov, and were in the army in big numbers. LOOOL at Majerteen being involved in Gedo, this is getting plain silly.


Only reason I called You out like this was after I saw You cowardly clutching behind the skirt of Gudhad the condom, and all the other Hutus taking cover behind them to try to take petty shots, laakin really You shot Yourself in the foot. You same Gudhad You cheer for, mocks You and acknowledges how Marexaan were needed fo r You to fight Cumar Jess and in His words thats how Marexaan came to Kismaayo. Soomalida dhan know, that at least other Darood clans i.e Dhulbahante, OG, etc. can handle their business when it comes to defending themselves, laakin when the going gets tough leave if for a Majerteen to scream "Yaa Darood ah" at the top of their lungs and for a Marexaan to come.

[snoop12]

Murax you right that Caabudwaaq has always been the center point for Wuqooyi Sade, people say Dhulbahante waxee ku abtirsadaan Buuhoodle and the same Wuqooyi Sade waxee ku abtirsadaan Caabudwaaq. but we had property, land, mayors etc basically everything in Dhusamareb, but with time things changed gradually with a 1 or 2 significant movement of Marexan population out of Dhusamareb. although the population shifted towards the non-Marexan immigrants so to speak, we still owned majority of land and property that was leased or sold to the new comers. by the time the USC invaded the indigenous population was already reduced leaving behind mainly property and land, most of our people who happen to live their during the invation of USC obviously moved out.

i know the kid is trying to incite an intelectual clash with Hawiyo but its not working, because although we loved Dhusamareb to death i dont believe it is the clean beutiful suburb it use to be, it only takes the one glimps at it now and u will throw up, the treeless ghetto where houses scream of destruction although we have lost property and land there we are not in a hurry to even lose 1 man for it today, let them nipple away at the concrete they have been feeding on for decades to come, we have build Caabudwaaq to be bigger and more significant today free of rogue Moriyaans.

this kid is shameless, as far as i am aware the only massacre that took place in Galgaduud was in Buurgeesole and the Hawd and border settlements where an exposed civilian populated was wiped out by his uncle sitting on Ethiopian tanks, no one is hiding the genocide commited against Sade but we dont make up stuff and Dhusamareb was not one of the places were our civilians were massacred, we just lost barren land that has nothing but Historic value.

[snoop12]

i dont know why people think Gelinsoor is out of our hand ? Gelinsoor is to Wagardac what Caabudwaaq is to Rer Dalal, Xuduntooda baa ku xabaalan meesha, and we are ready to fight any agressor retrieve our property.

Xeraale is just a freaking Tuulo in the middle of a jungle of Marexan, it is amazing how people fantasise Dir to be the big bad wolf, yes we had a ragtag militia that was quick to play anoo Qabiil against a terrified laangab, it just so happens to be in war the one who underestimates his target gets a whopping, but the Dir immediately cried for help from Sade elders.


abdalla and Guhad can bark as loud as they like, but we will not be destracted from the gardens of Beerxaani, Kismaayo, Jamaame etc for land were only Cambuulo eating Hawiyo grows lol.

[Air Canada]

Murax,

Lakiin i won´t buy it from anyone that you guys simply migrated during a frigging war waxaas yaa ka yeelayo? You don't just migrate during a war, you have to

waxaad haber gedir unoqoteen magan

Gaalkacyo felt in 30 seconds, yes i admit that, lakiin be just and analyse it. Reer mudug were being dismantled since 1977, they didn't have any kind of weapons while the USC had more than 60% of the national arms and manpower, so there's no shame in that.

Only on the internet you will hear marehan liberated gaalkacyo, nin Axmed Gurey iyo Goita ibn Tedros sheegtay waxkasta waa ka macquul lol

I don't even have to awaken these Ilkoyar day dreamers to the reality of today. Their MJ brother will do...

Walaahi that is right, if Ilkoyar are claiming Imam Ahmed Gurey i will not be surprised if 50 years from now they claim Shabeel.

[Jesteye]

Ilkoyar Free?!

You sound like you got a deep hatred for Beesha Marehan, did they killed your father?.

Good job Jesteye. Also listen to both Xoogsade as well as the man who spoke, no one is interested in fighting over barren lands however Marehan are taking the initiative to unite themselves and their neighbors into a functioning, multi-clan, plural society state. Bartamaha state is not Marehan only and by claiming those lands, they are not claiming it for Marehan. They are claiming it for Central State. I mean even now all those lands are under one entity (Ahlu Sunnah) which rules it from Caabudwaaq. It's basically the same thing.

Dude,

In theory that sounds fine with me. If Rer Cabduwaq wants to create their own administration (similar to Himan-Heb ) or Shared administration (similar to GalMudug State) designed to create peace and stabilise particular land dominated by a clan, I think all Somalis would support that initiative. But if you go onto radio and start claiming lands, you're asking for a WAR!

Anyway! Thanks Rer Cabudwaq for taking the heavy-load of GalMudug's back. Bartamaha State

Xoogsade,

Two things, I hate about Somalinet dot com is multi-names and threads/topics moving to unknown location -magically.

[Voltage]

Murax,

sxb i never said Dhuusamareeb and gelinsor use to be 100% mareexaan, lakiin they use to have a significant marexaan population and after the USC invasion you guys became a minority in those two cities, nobody can deny that. Lakiin i won´t buy it from anyone that you guys simply migrated during a frigging war waxaas yaa ka yeelayo? You don't just migrate during a war, you have to

Are you a doqon or something? My family is "reer Mudug" on both sides of the equation and almost all of our migration out there was before 1991. Why are the Majeerteen the only people who say Mareexaan got chased out of Dhusamareb and Galgaduud by Habar Gidir? Dhusa-mareb and those areas ceased to be Mareexaan in 1973 when most moved to Xamar, after the qax virtually zero Mareexaans went back up with all going to Gedo and south. The only reason Caabudwaaq and Balanbale and the border lands are still Mareexaan is because of the Mareexaan gelley still left in Hawd and Ogadenya. Mareexaan, especially reer Mudug were migrating out into the large urban centers for thirty years and after the war even more out and to the south. The control of Kismaayo for so long led to even more Mudug migrations and virtually destroyed any hunguri for Dhusa-mareb and meelaha baaba'san.

The only reason that an argument even exists is because the Habar Gidir themselves followed our move and camped themselves in Xamar and Shabelle so meeshi that should have been theirs all practically waan u simanahay maanta.

[Voltage]

As for Marexaan and mudug, are You okay? Everybody from modern historians, Soomalida etc. know that Marexaan for CENTURIES not since the war have been leaving Mudug for the South even to this day (Kismaayo). We are talking about complete subclans, who migrated South, captured Oromo territory, took some as slaves and staked out a new territory pushing complete populations across the border into Kenya/Ethiopia. Infact most of the Marexaans My Parents age, barely even know Caabudwaaq or any of these places they left as childeren to Xamar, other parts of Somalia. That being said Marexaan's traditional areas, Caabudwaaq, Dhabat, Balanbale are to this day xaruun Marexaan, and we still live in Gelinsoor to this day. Marexaan GAIN, and don't lose lands.

Thank you. Maybe Abdalla doesn't come from pioneering people but what other Somali clans divid themselves into not just the reer but always what successive wave of migrations they were part of like Guri, Galti, etc?

[abdalla11]

lol @ the marehaan crew, bunch of weirdos. in the first two pages they were claiming dhuusamareeb and now they are explaining why they lost the city. It looks like that you guys are not on the same page, either claim the city or don't. It's quite obvious that alot of you are living in lalaland marka let me tell you once again. Dhusamareeb and Gelinsoor use to be a shared city wherein marehaan was significant, untill the USC invasion. Don't come to me with the bullshit that you guys start moving to Xamar, everybody moved to Xamar, that's not an excuse. As i said people don't just start moving during a war, that's called fleeing

Murax,
Somalida waxay tiraahdaa 'qof kasta siduu ujabo buu udhutiya' and you guys fell hard, very hard. Maybe that's the reason you fall into telling lies. The facts speak for themselves. You left your president, the one who gave you everything, 900 of ur men surrendered to USC and two of ur cities were and are still deserted by ur kinsmen and yet you claim to liberate another mans city? Marka either you are lying or you love MJ's more than you love your president and the people of Gelinsoor and Dhuusamareeb who you failed to defend? And based on your Snet character i can say you don't love us more than MR lol

Gaalkacyo is liberated you its people. I know you see everything as MJ, lakiin Mj's don't inhabit gaalkacyo alone, they share it with others, like Leelkasse. Marka if you want to portray us as weak, who are not capable of defending themselves, why don't you say that about the Leelkasse? They are the ones who border with the HG, and when the USC came they infiltrated via Leelkasse.The laangaab always points at the laandheer.

As i said fighting the USC sucked the living life out of marehan, despite the fact the Marehan fought the USC at a very late stadium, the USC were fighting each other (thanks to AY). Since then you never fought alone, you were always under the proctection of others wether ethiopians or Haber gedir. You guys were so weak that when u fought the al-itixaad you invited the Amxaar to free your land. That's worse than Somaliland who invited the amxaar to capture other mans land, you called them to free yourself from al-itixaad. Today your MP are thrown out, literally thrown out of the 'parliament' and your elders are being chased by teenagers. Marka waa siday Somalida dhahaan qof kasta wuxuu udhutiya siduu ujabay and frankly you guys si xun baa ujabteen, ka kaca hurdada iyo beentaa ku jirtiin.

If we say 'Yaa darood ah' you guys say 'Yaa ceyr ah'

[abdalla11]

Murax,

Lakiin i won´t buy it from anyone that you guys simply migrated during a frigging war waxaas yaa ka yeelayo? You don't just migrate during a war, you have to

waxaad haber gedir unoqoteen magan

Gaalkacyo felt in 30 seconds, yes i admit that, lakiin be just and analyse it. Reer mudug were being dismantled since 1977, they didn't have any kind of weapons while the USC had more than 60% of the national arms and manpower, so there's no shame in that.

Only on the internet you will hear marehan liberated gaalkacyo, nin Axmed Gurey iyo Goita ibn Tedros sheegtay waxkasta waa ka macquul lol

I don't even have to awaken these Ilkoyar day dreamers to the reality of today. Their MJ brother will do...

Walaahi that is right, if Ilkoyar are claiming Imam Ahmed Gurey i will not be surprised if 50 years from now they claim Shabeel.

Don't you know you are a free man now? Since you love our master-slave relationship orod shaah iikeen

[grandpakhalif]

lol @ the marehaan crew, bunch of weirdos. in the first two pages they were claiming dhuusamareeb and now they are explaining why they lost the city. It looks like that you guys are not on the same page, either claim the city or don't. It's quite obvious that alot of you are living in lalaland marka let me tell you once again. Dhusamareeb and Gelinsoor use to be a shared city wherein marehaan was significant, untill the USC invasion. Don't come to me with the bullshit that you guys start moving to Xamar, everybody moved to Xamar, that's not an excuse. As i said people don't just start moving during a war, that's called fleeing

Murax,
Somalida waxay tiraahdaa 'qof kasta siduu ujabo buu udhutiya' and you guys fell hard, very hard. Maybe that's the reason you fall into telling lies. The facts speak for themselves. You left your president, the one who gave you everything, 900 of ur men surrendered to USC and two of ur cities were and are still deserted by ur kinsmen and yet you claim to liberate another mans city? Marka either you are lying or you love MJ's more than you love your president and the people of Gelinsoor and Dhuusamareeb who you failed to defend? And based on your Snet character i can say you don't love us more than MR lol

Gaalkacyo is liberated you its people. I know you see everything as MJ, lakiin Mj's don't inhabit gaalkacyo alone, they share it with others, like Leelkasse. Marka if you want to portray us as weak, who are not capable of defending themselves, why don't you say that about the Leelkasse? They are the ones who border with the HG, and when the USC came they infiltrated via Leelkasse.The laangaab always points at the laandheer.

As i said fighting the USC sucked the living life out of marehan, despite the fact the Marehan fought the USC at a very late stadium, the USC were fighting each other (thanks to AY). Since then you never fought alone, you were always under the proctection of others wether ethiopians or Haber gedir. You guys were so weak that when u fought the al-itixaad you invited the Amxaar to free your land. That's worse than Somaliland who invited the amxaar to capture other mans land, you called them to free yourself from al-itixaad. Today your MP are thrown out, literally thrown out of the 'parliament' and your elders are being chased by teenagers. Marka waa siday Somalida dhahaan qof kasta wuxuu udhutiya siduu ujabay and frankly you guys si xun baa ujabteen, ka kaca hurdada iyo beentaa ku jirtiin.

If we say 'Yaa darood ah' you guys say 'Yaa ceyr ah'

This is the cuqdad of the MJ

[AbdiWahab252]

This is quite an entertaining thread. Its as if these nomadic people who are eking out a living in the most hostile places in earth give two shits about Mamuuls. They are busy trying to survive and tend to get along much better than those exiles living comfortably overseas still reliving those conflicts of the past.

If you could only see how dirt poor most Galgaduud and Mudug people are and how shiidy towns they live in, you wouldn't be boasting of these places as if they were L.A., London or DC.

So folks stop stirring up fitna for the dirt poor Nomads from the comfort of the West. These people's number one concerns are when the next rains will come, grasslands and seeking out pasture and water.

[Khalid Ali]

That's worse than Somaliland who invited the amxaar to capture other mans land,

We dident invite any one to capture any once land , or else bring proof, The land we capture we do it on our own