Is Salafism The Correct Islam?

[melo]

The Saudis expelled Bin Laden on the back of the fatwa. But it was Salafis who wrote the fatwas. They studied the religion and hence could ascertain on his khaariji Status. My statement was not wrong, nor is your claim about them being micromanaged by the Saudis (Although Ibn Uthaymiin publicly praised OBL- this is on youtube). They go hand in hand. So again Union, your attempt at challenging my statement has resulted in a big fail

[melo]

Union exposing his ignorance yet again. It was the Saudi aligned Salafis who expelled Bin Laden to Khaariji status, well before most people in the west knew he even existed. In fact, http://www.takfiris.com is a salafi run website, attacking the 20th century Mujahidiin. You can also go to salafipublications.com and troid.org for extra info. You can also find their adherents even amongst the Somali People. Maktabada.com is one of their websites.


Salafism is an empty label. A much better term is ahlussunah wal jaamaca. This is more inclusive and has no negative connotations associated with it. Salafism excludes every other hizb, whether it be tablighi, deo, ashari etc from Sunni Islam. This type of exclusion is not helpful, nor is it in the spirit of religion.

What's a Deo, Ashari and Tablighi? Are these more Sects within Islam, like the Sunni and Shi'a?

Recently in Egypt, many Media were broadcasting how the Salafis have taken to the streets and are demanding a Shariah Law to be implemented in Egypt. Would that classify them as "Not Ahul-Sunnah Wal-Jamaaca"?

They are groups within Sunni Islam that have been expelled by Salafis as being out of the fold of Ahlussunah.

The salafis in egypt are wild and have no legitimacy. It was only yesterday that they were in bed with Mubarak.

[union]

The Saudis expelled Bin Laden on the back of the fatwa. But it was Salafis who wrote the fatwas. They studied the religion and hence could ascertain on his khaariji Status. My statement was not wrong, nor is your claim about them being micromanaged by the Saudis (Although Ibn Uthaymiin publicly praised OBL- this is on youtube). They go hand in hand. So again Union, your attempt at challenging my statement has resulted in a big fail

You seem extremely obtuse. Osama is a great salafi. Only reason he was expelled was because he threatened the political hegemony of the Al Sauds. It's all about the struggle for the distribution of power.

[melo]

You think Salafis are one monolithic group. You think they have the same principles. It is you who is extremely obtuse. The split in Salafiyya is at a religious level primarily. They do not agree on Shariica, Jihaad or even Imaan. It might have begun as a political split- Like the Shia-Sunni split, but it has now developed into a religious battle. I suggest you step out of this conversation before you further embarrass yourself

[melo]

http://www.takfiris.com/takfir

www.salafipublications.com


This split is now a religious one. The Al-saud family might not care about the religious element, but the Salafis certainly do.

[Murax]

^^

Maybe the only group quoting the hadith are the salafis because the people of desire only take what they want and leave what they want but dont take the religion completely. Like a user of interest will not quote the hadiths warning of interest users.

The people who take this xadiith as their slogan, are the most vile creatures on the planet. They don't the religions completely; they take the more superficial elements, but forget about the Adaab of Islam. They slander the scholars and Mujahidiin, calling everyone who isn't in their movement a mubtadi, khaarijite. We do not forget when these people expelled Shariif Cabdniuur out of Salafism. The hadith even if authentic, is being used and abused.

I'm not gonna deny that there are extremists within Salafiyah who do not understand the manhaj deeply and spend too much time on who refuted who, who is this, who's a mubtadic, etc. and are quick to label someone. That being said the xaqq is the xaqq and even if the person presents it to You in the most vile way possible if it is truth You must take it. That being said most people will believe what they will believe regardless of how its presented to them nice or not nice.

Xizzbiyah, sucide bombing, going against the xaakim as long as he's muslim and many other issues are not allowed according to quran/sunnah and anybody who's serious about the Religion listens and obeys when it comes to the commands of Allah and His Messenger.

[Salahuddiin]

Salafiya is following Qur'an and Sunna strictly and rejecting every other source people use (philosophy, own intelligence etc.) in religious issues. It's following religion the way that the companions of Prophet SCWS and first generations understood it because they knew how to apply Qur'an best because they learned and saw it from the Messenger of Allah SCWS.

Like it was said here, Salafis are not one group, but they have split. Some of them went into extremes with some Khariji-tendencies (making takfiir on Muslims without right) while other extreme took stance of murji'a (it's enough for someone to be a Muslim just because he says he is regardless what he does) and they are nicknamed Madakhila because one of their shuyukh is named Madkhali. Then there are those who are in the middle of these two and they dislike both of those extremist groups.

Those websites given by Melo (salafipublications, troid) represent the other extreme side of Salafis (Madkhalis) and here in Somalinet they have their followers also. Madakhila are very extreme with Muslim masses and if they see slightest wrong word or move from average Hebel they label you a man of bidca and say that everyone must boycott you and if someone doesn't boycott you he's also a man of bidca. If you visit their forums (salafitalk for example) you see that 99% of their time they just talk and focus on that who is on the right path and who's not while none of them even knows
half of those names they are talking about but they talk about them because some of their sheikhs said so. When focusing on other people and their alleged and exaggerated mistakes all the time it gives one very black heart and this is seen in worst manners. Their stance toward the rulers of Muslim lands is whole different case. It's absolutely forbidden to them even to say one critical word about the rulers even though they could rule with Bible as long as they don't say from their mouth that this is better than Islam. In Iraq after US invasion when Paul Bremer was in control they said he's legal waliyul amr and everyone must obey him. There's no jihad anywhere in the world and if someone assists one of those fights that is going on somewhere in the world it's your responsibility to call the police and get them arrested. That's them in nutshell. Praise to Allah they are dying breed.

[Murax]

In Iraq after US invasion when Paul Bremer was in control they said he's legal waliyul amr and everyone must obey him. .

[Alchemist]

In Iraq after US invasion when Paul Bremer was in control they said he's legal waliyul amr and everyone must obey him. .

Lool.

Good discussion even though I hate it that we argue amongst ourselves when there is atheists around.

[Murax]

Alchemist,

Wallahi I'm not gonna lie and say there arn't delusional salafiyeen out there.


One time one of them said all the people that Saddam killed in Iraaq were kuffar cuz they are Shia

[FAH1223]

[Alchemist]

Alchemist,

Wallahi I'm not gonna lie and say there arn't delusional salafiyeen out there.


One time one of them said all the people that Saddam killed in Iraaq were kuffar cuz they are Shia

Lol I would believe it. Their giving salafiya a bad name. Im from Toronto I know trod and their partners salafipublictions in the UK. I don't see them ever saying there is jihad even it hit them in the face. Their soft on kuffar and harsh on Muslims. When sh cukaash comes to Toronto they don't come visit him even.

[Executive]

May Allah reward the Sahaba, Tab'in and Atba' al-Tabi'in

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Talavis wished they were followers of salafus saalih(the three fortunate generations: sahaba, tabi'en and tabi tabien). What I noticed about this creepy cult is that when the imam finishes prayer, they are the first to run away from mosque. They hate to listen to the imam cuz he is not from hanbali madhab.
They are so focussed on little things and dissing each others sheikh that these guys miss the opportunity to experience islamic spirituality.

[The_Emperior5]

What i dont like about these people is these people love the life of this earth and the wealth of this earth and they are the one who pay the least zakaat and other than that they come with nonsense such as your prayers are not accepted As if they Are God yaba akhiro isla tegey how do you know it is accepted or not. But that Said Follow the teachings of prophet Muhammad csw And The Quran and his Sunnah and do not attach your self to any group or sect.