Did Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdil Wahhab revolt against the Otto

[Rainbows]

You dumb nigga.

Get outta my thread dumb troll.

Still dumb.

[grandpakhalif]

Colonel there has been periods where there was a split in the ruling dynasties of the Ummah.Such as The Caliphate of Córdoba
When Abd-ar-Rahman III proclaimed himself Caliph and split from Umayyad dynasty which originaly gave him the title Emir of Córdoba
But this Al-Saud dynast were usurpers and were a puppet regime put there by the west

Do you have any proof for your claims? Or your just spewing nonsense.... Matter of fact the First Saudi State was established a century prior to the coming of the British. do you dispute this?

[Thuganomics]

Colonel there has been periods where there was a split in the ruling dynasties of the Ummah.Such as The Caliphate of Córdoba
When Abd-ar-Rahman III proclaimed himself Caliph and split from Umayyad dynasty which originaly gave him the title Emir of Córdoba
But this Al-Saud dynast were usurpers and were a puppet regime put there by the west

Do you have any proof for your claims? Or your just spewing nonsense.... Matter of fact the First Saudi State was established a century prior to the coming of the British. do you dispute this?

Revisionist crap

[grandpakhalif]

Is that all?

Rainbows,

[Based]

What royal line do the Al-Saud descend from anyway?

They're glorified tribal leaders

[awkuku567]

Awkuuku, Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdulwahabb died 1792.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab

So how can he participate in this war

Colonel, I honestly don't know whether the Ottomon empire attempted to diplomatically resolve this problem or they savagely attacked the First Saudi state. What I do know is that they were the aggressors, and shed muslim blood.

the war 1811 started when wahabis captured hijaaz whichs makah and madiina. Mohamed abdulwahaab started the rebellion agains the Ottomon caliphate started while mohamed abdulwahaab was living. forexample mohamed abdilwahaab invaded Irak which was under Ottomon caliphate killing many people and taking lot of muslim slaves. The Ottomons only notice wahaabi Revolt when they captured HIJAAZ. and ottomon ordered MAXAMED CALI BAASHA egpytian governer to invade hijaaz. first mohamed cali baasha did not take the order immeadetly. maxamed ali baasha waited to attack wahaabis until 1811 and after 7 years of war wahaabis wad defeated tottaly.

yes mohamed abdulwahaab was death 14 years before the start of that war but hes son was the one of the leaders of wahaabi and the mne Fatwas they were fighting wahaabis was from direct from mohamed abdulwahaab which hes book Kitaabu l-Kabaair declared as gaaalo against ottomons and if you kill a turk waxaa tahay mujaahid. anyway it does not matter wather the founder was alive or not. hes studens were fighting against Ottomons.

and its well known all Wahaabi scholars. from mohamed abdulwahaab. and ibn baaz. uthaymeen all of did not regocnise ottomon as a legitimate caliphate.

[grandpakhalif]

First Saudi State
The First Saudi State was established in the year 1744 (1157 A.H.) when leader Sheikh Mohammed ibn Abd al Wahhab settled in Diriyah and Prince Mohammed Ibn Saud agreed to support and espouse his cause, with a view to cleansing the Islamic faith from distortions. The House of Saud with other allies rose to become the dominant state in Arabia controlling most of the Najd, but not either coast.This Saudi state lasted for about seventy-five years.

Concerned at the growing power of the Saudis the Ottoman Sultan instructed Mohammed Ali Pasha to reconquer the area. Ali sent his son Ibrahim Pasha who was successful in routing the Saudi (Wahhabi) forces in 1817. It would only be a few years before the Sauds would return to power, forming the Second Saudi State.

Rulers of the first Saudi state:

Imam Mohammed Ibn Saud 1726–1765 (1139–1179 H)
Imam Abdul Aziz Ibn Mohammed Ibn Saud 1765–1803 (1179–1218 H)
Imam Saud Ibn Abdul Aziz Ibn Mohammed Ibn Saud (Saud Al Kabeer) 1803–1814 (1218–1233 H)
Imam Abdullah bin Saud 1814–1818

http://www.info.gov.sa/portals/kingdom/ ... story.html

[Thuganomics]

^
And the source info.govsa

Saudi Arabia was created by Britain. At the beginning of the 20th century Britain was trying to get hold of the Arabian peninsula from the Ottoman Empire. Ibn Saud, a Bedouin leader, was the perfect henchman for the British. He was a bloodthirsty and simple minded autocrat who was willing to serve anyone who would pay him.

From 1902 to 1925 Britain paid Ibn Saud, a member of the puritanical Wahhabist Islamic sect, to lead a series of bloody wars against more established tribes across the peninsula. The brutality and fanaticism of Ibn Saud's Wahhabist followers (known as the Ikhwan) knew no limits. The Ikhwan spiked the heads of their enemies at the gates of conquered cities. They burned the victims of their conquests and routinely raped and enslaved girls. They systematically massacred Shi'a Muslims and desecrated Islamic sites they decreed insulting to Wahhabism.

After Ibn Saud had conquered the tribes allied to Turkey, Britain bribed him to attack territory controlled by the Hashemites of Jordan. The Hashemites had foolishly trusted British promises, delivered by TE Lawrence, that their independence and their leadership of an extended Arab territory would be respected as a reward for their loyalty during the First World War. Lord Crewe, a minister in the Liberal government in Britain, summed up the real colonial aim: 'What we want is not a united Arabia, but a disunited Arabia split into principalities under our suzerainty.'

Capitalism and war
THE DESERT DICTATORSHIP

[Rainbows]

Using Saudi government sources to prove that Saudi Arabia existed 1744

[grandpakhalif]

I trust my government (saudi arabia) over some crazy conspiracy theories anyday. I think this discussion is over.

[Colonel]

Colonel there has been periods where there was a split in the ruling dynasties of the Ummah.Such as The Caliphate of Córdoba
When Abd-ar-Rahman III proclaimed himself Caliph and split from Umayyad dynasty which originaly gave him the title Emir of Córdoba
But this Al-Saud dynast were usurpers and were a puppet regime put there by the west

I know bro but I believe the caliphate of Andalusia was created by a surviving member of the Umayyad after they were defeated by the Abbasids.

It also happened during the Abbasids rule because they were too weak to rule over the entire Islamic territory hence you had the Mamluks in Egypt, Ayyubis in Sham and so on. But when it comes to the Ottomans they controlled almost every land of islam except parts of West Africa, Somalia and Arabia however they were allies with the first 2 but went to war with the Arabs, now why is that...

[Thuganomics]

Colonel there has been periods where there was a split in the ruling dynasties of the Ummah.Such as The Caliphate of Córdoba
When Abd-ar-Rahman III proclaimed himself Caliph and split from Umayyad dynasty which originaly gave him the title Emir of Córdoba
But this Al-Saud dynast were usurpers and were a puppet regime put there by the west

I know bro but I believe the caliphate of Andalusia was created by a surviving member of the Umayyad after they were defeated by the Abbasids.

It also happened during the Abbasids rule because they were too weak to rule over the entire Islamic territory hence you had the Mamluks in Egypt, Ayyubis in Sham and so on. But when it comes to the Ottomans they controlled almost every land of islam except parts of West Africa, Somalia and Arabia however they were allies with the first 2 but went to war with the Arabs, now why is that...

Exactly!why is that.Because these desert Arabs had become pawns of the west

[grandpakhalif]

I trust my government (saudi arabia) over some crazy conspiracy theories anyday. I think this discussion is over.

Stop working in some stadium and move there, you dumb nigga.

Why don't you get the fuck out of my thread you faggot?

[Rainbows]

Or? Are you going to declare Jihad on me mofo?

[Based]

Grandpa, who are the Al Saud?

What gave them authority over the other tribes of Arabia?

Are they descendants of the Prophet, are they descendants of a Muslim dynasty (Ummayad etc), or are they just another random tribe that happened to have more strength than anybody else?