Somali Culture---And Rape-Marriage...Shame File---

Dhaga Bacayl · Post by **Dhaga Bacayl** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:55 am

I donÃ¢Â€Â™t agree with it but you failed to illustrate the most important factor why women were force to marry the men that raped them.

There was a time in Somali society when women werenÃ¢Â€Â™t worth much if she wasnÃ¢Â€Â™t virgin let a lone raped. In the eyes of our twisted culture, they thought they were doing a favor for the girl and punishing the man.

Globetrotter- · Post by **Globetrotter-** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:36 am

Mowhak, you are wrong mate. This is not somali culture but an arab culture that is given potency by islam.

Sir-Luggoyo · Post by **Sir-Luggoyo** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:04 pm

Mo,

You can call it primitive, ugly, inhumane or just sheer disgust, but lemme enlighten you on this subject, I know I am two years older than you.

You are aware in our culture, society and how marriage is conducted, I first oppose the idea of women not being income generators, but if you look into the "Yarad and gabbaati" and how much dudes part, then that suffice to negate the notion or the impression you are under, now to get back to the idea of how marriage is conducted, a woman's virginity is supposed to be her key to potential Farah's hand and seals her future status as a wife material, once she loses that privately or publicly, then for her, all hope is lost, once the village knows that she is no longer pure and lost her chastity, no man in his right mind would entertain the idea of making home with her, hence, she comes under the mercy of her kins, who in turn would tirelessly work to secure her future and save the family name from unnecessary blemishes.

The rapist on the other hand, was not ready to settle this woman he shamed beyond redemption, who lost her puritan status under his aggression, and the fact that everybody knows that she is no longer virgin, will taunt him for life. This will save face for her clan, secure her future and somehow punishes the aggressor.

I don't see any better solution but if you have, I would love to hear. You might say, punish the culprit, then what happens to the victim's future?

Globetrotter- · Post by **Globetrotter-** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:08 pm

Lugless, for the first time in the history of somalinet you are using your brain

But, rapists are few and far between in the good old non polluted somali culture.

kambuli · Post by **kambuli** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:40 pm

Mohowk,

Till today Rapsits do not get what they deserve.
70% of Somali women do not even tell if they are raped, afraid of the rubberstamp that will be on their name forever. Even sometimes, the parents do not tell just to save the family name.

As a result, poor women ends up in pregnancy and flees to other town some of them are the ones that end up in the streets and very few are saved from the streets and those are the ones that are married off to their rapist. Poor women.

The good news is, we are getting a little bit more educated, more protective and more demanding for our rights.

Sir-Luggoyo · Post by **Sir-Luggoyo** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:40 pm

[quote="Globetrotter-"]Lugless, for the first time in the history of somalinet you are using your brain

But, rapists are few and far between in the good old non polluted somali culture.

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Laughing

And for the first time I think (I am not sure) you pulled out that Arab d!ck out of your rectum for aknowledging my capacity. If that is the case, don't allow him to penetrate you again, you are good without it. Laughing

Mowhawk · Post by **Mowhawk** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:31 pm

Thanks guys and at least we established the practice exists. Although the justification may seem noble in a different era, it is quiet unacceptable today that other men have to decide on behalf of the victim and force her to marry her rapist.

Luggooyo

"I don't see any better solution but if you have, I would love to hear. You might say, punish the culprit, then what happens to the victim's future?"

I will say use both the stick and carrot, for deterence and education purposes. First, de-sex him and it will send a strong message to all rapists. Secondly, educate them, after all we are Muslims and should act like Muslims. Why can't she marry a Somali guy if she aint a virgin? If she is a God fearing woman who has been wronged by a man, why will other men condemn her further? I know many Somali guys who are married to other races, and we all know many of their wives were not virgins either, so why the double-standard? An urgent campaign is required to quell those kind of myths.

1nemansquad · Post by **1nemansquad** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:59 am

what Luggooyo wrote makes a good common sense, perverted but rational, if that is what they usta do, am in no doubt that it doesn't happen nemore

this is one of tha few times that i gained sum'in from this site

CrazySommies · Post by **CrazySommies** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:01 am

Mawhawk, u r confusing Somalis with that of Ethiopians. We kill rapists, even if the guy goes out with the girl without her parents knowledge is enouf to kill him.

Libaax* · Post by Libaax* » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:50 am

Nomad 1

you carry the flag of the zionist state and you lecturing us to read hadiths.

Sir-Luggoyo · Post by **Sir-Luggoyo** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:11 am

[quote="Mowhawk"]

I will say use both the stick and carrot, for deterence and education purposes. First, de-sex him and it will send a strong message to all rapists. Secondly, educate them, after all we are Muslims and should act like Muslims. Why can't she marry a Somali guy if she aint a virgin? If she is a God fearing woman who has been wronged by a man, why will other men condemn her further? I know many Somali guys who are married to other races, and we all know many of their wives were not virgins either, so why the double-standard? An urgent campaign is required to quell those kind of myths.

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Mo,

Saxib, this is one of the times you talk like you are losing in touch with who you are. First of all, no woman will report a rape incident unless the consequences reveal themselves (due to injury sustained during, or bleeding and crucial pain that requires medical attention and forces her to expose the culprit) other than that, no woman dare announce her grief to her closest. If the rape victim was not virgin to begin with, it's a daily occurance that never leaves between the two involved. Back in Somalia, teenagers used a method to disgrace girls, a method called "saf" Three or four guys will take turn to one girl, who only consented to the first guy, but three more will appear from nowhere with their d!cks in their hands waiting for their turn!!!! who the f!ck invited them??

In terms of educating, it's not just about rape, it's a whole lot more than that. First they need to know what a "Woman" is, to aknowledge their existence as a human being, to give them the respect they so much deserve, they kinship they share as Somalis and Muslims, that they are mothers, sisters and wives to someone just like them and last but not least they are human being and they feel pain both inside and outside, but who is to take that demanding task?

De-sexing (OUCH!!) someone is not the ultimate solution and will spark flares that could create a huge fire that could affect more than what is bargained for.

RED STAR · Post by **RED STAR** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:12 am

Stop the B.S talk...........Post the evidance and link.
If not i regard it as a make up story. Which is likely it is.
**POST THE EVIDANCE........... **

RED STAR · Post by **RED STAR** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:12 am

Stop the B.S talk...........Post the evidance and link.
If not i regard it as a make up story. Which is likely it is.
**POST THE EVIDANCE........... **

Ina_ Baxar · Post by **Ina_ Baxar** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:25 am

Luggoyo is right on the money.

From my own experience it is sometimes hard to determine if a real rape took place or not. A girl can claim to have been raped if and when she senses her sexual adventures are no longer a secret , and if and when she senses she had been played. So this is not easy , and the fault is not always to be put on the men.

optimist_1 · Post by **optimist_1** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:30 am

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]
Saxib, this is one of the times you talk like you are losing in touch with who you are. First of all, no woman will report a rape incident unless the consequences reveal themselves (due to injury sustained during, or bleeding and crucial pain that requires medical attention and forces her to expose the culprit) other than that, no woman dare announce her grief to her closest. If the rape victim was not virgin to begin with, it's a daily occurance that never leaves between the two involved. Back in Somalia, teenagers used a method to disgrace girls, a method called "saf" Three or four guys will take turn to one girl, who only consented to the first guy, but three more will appear from nowhere with their d!cks in their hands waiting for their turn!!!! who the f!ck invited them??
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Laughing