Ala Sheikh are the follows of Sheikh Maxamed Macallin?

[Voltage]

voltage, i think you are confusing two different people.

sheikh maxamad macalin xasan, who as sahal mentioned, was a famous sheikh born in buur hakaba, who was a student at azhar, and studied with sh shareef abdinoor. he use to be the imam of masjidka isbahaysiga after the civil war. he was never part of the icu, or any other xarakaat at that time and he died in the early 2000s in italy. he played a huge role in the dacwah in somalia, and was imprisoned twice for his work. some of his students wrote a book about him and it is available in mogadiscio. some interesting things about him was that sh abdalhameed kischk (famous egyptian scholar and mufti of azhar) helped him write his thesis. and he also met sayd qutb during the ikhwan uprising in secret from fear of being deported by jamal abdenasser. the only movement he ever lead was an-nahda, which started in mogadiscio 1967 by him, sh garyare and others, then they changed it to al ahli. at that time the northerners set up al wahda, whose members also played a role in the later itihaad. aala sheekh were never an official harakah, it was his followers from al ahli who differentiated themselves from the ikhwani guys aka the islaah.

another different sheikh maxamad macalin was part of itihaad and also until recently was a major player of hisbul islaam, he was a close ally of sh dahir aweys, i think this was the guy who spoke to barre hiiraale back then due to clan negotiations.

Wow thanks for the clarification bro, you know your stuff mashallah.

[Voltage]

I know ala sheikh very well. They run Somalia.

Do you know anything about which sets them different sxb?

[Voltage]

Whatever opportunity that presented itself through this hush-hush plan B of Al Shabab called "Ala Sheikh" is being neutralized thanks to Puntland and Mahiga. There will be no more puppet back door dealing like Farmaajo... So Voltage, if I were you I'd forget about it lol.

It's all about transparency from here on you hear, trust me nobody is looking to seal his fate like the Abgal president; history I think will judge this groups as being no more then a blessing in disguise which forced unwilling participant to ink both Garowe I and II.

[Murax]

D-Runner can hear about a Water crisis problem in Brazil yet somehow someway He'll tie it to Faroole, Puntland.

[RovingMadness]

They are everything thats wrong with Somalia. Ala Shiekh is a self-serving group of phony scoundrels that wants to impose its mafia agenda on the people of Somalia & they must be stopped. It's curious though how they continuously reinvent themselves while at the same time denying that they even exist. It's like a secret society & it's members only stand for the defense & sustainability of their gang agenda rather than leading Somalia forward. 

Ditto. I personaly will tolerate clan differences, political idealogy differences instead of these foolish secretarian differences. At least people who hail from different clans, or have different political views on the economy, foreign policy, etc. can find common ground. As for this phony 'Aala Sheikh' group though it is very simple either You are a part of their mysterious self serving group or You have no place in Somali Government. Heck I actually prefer the warlord era over this garbage.


Are these guys still gaining influence or are they on the way down?

I think as long as Sharif & Farmaajo are politically active these guys will be there. That's why we need a new blood that is more beholden to the regular people rather than a specific private group that serve the interests of select few individuals.

[Murax]

I know ala sheikh very well. They run Somalia.

Do you know anything about which sets them different sxb?

Ikhwan Muslimeen broke up into many different sects. One followed the track of Hassan Banna and the other Sayyid Qutub. The Former basically want to achieve a "Islamic State" through politics, going through the system, infiltrate the Government, etc. the later the dhalanyaro, taliban, etc. are of the Qutub track which they wanna do through war and force. The Ala Sheikh group is one of many like Islah and others that fall under the Hassan Banna section.



Roving,

I agree, I'm personaly not a fan of this group no matter who goes in and out. They've had their run from the ICU until now. I'm not down wiht the whole 'secret society' type vibe as it will lead to lack of accountability. I hope 2012 really brings in some new, fresh blood. Realistically what I would like to see is someone who is educated enough to bring much needed professionalism to the job. He wouldn't have to be the most Religious person in the world, but I hope it would be someone who would at least respect the Religous community and not persecute them for no reason. He wouldn't belong to any of these wierd secret orders like Ala Sheikh, and would be someone that the average Somali can relate to. I think any Somali whether Religious or seculer, Qabiil x or qabiil y, will respect someone who's qualified, has decent moral conduct and is nationalistic.

Theres plenty of these type in the US, and it would behove the Obama Admin to give them the necessary support.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

I didn't know Voltage was a contributor to Afisoone's site.

http://qoraalka.com/viewqoraalka.php?id ... %A1d%C3%9A

[Advo]

D-Runner can hear about a Water crisis problem in Brazil yet somehow someway He'll tie it to Faroole, Puntland.

He thinks he can marginalize Beesha SADE with Garoowe accord I and II, I'm sorry but did u just say Jubbaland? It will not happen because Garoowe accord I and II doesn't simply allow it. Farmaajo u say? his not coming back..why? because Garoowe accord I and II wont allow it. (Insert anything beesha SADE related) and Drunner comes in screaming (Garoowe accord I and II or else hillary clinton will drop bombs)

I don't understand why his not satisfied with Puntland affairs and has to constantly aggressively force himself in places he has no say in.

[sadeboi]

They are everything thats wrong with Somalia. Ala Shiekh is a self-serving group of phony scoundrels that wants to impose its mafia agenda on the people of Somalia & they must be stopped. It's curious though how they continuously reinvent themselves while at the same time denying that they even exist. It's like a secret society & it's members only stand for the defense & sustainability of their gang agenda rather than leading Somalia forward. 

Ditto. I personaly will tolerate clan differences, political idealogy differences instead of these foolish secretarian differences. At least people who hail from different clans, or have different political views on the economy, foreign policy, etc. can find common ground. As for this phony 'Aala Sheikh' group though it is very simple either You are a part of their mysterious self serving group or You have no place in Somali Government. Heck I actually prefer the warlord era over this garbage.


Are these guys still gaining influence or are they on the way down?

I think as long as Sharif & Farmaajo are politically active these guys will be there. That's why we need a new blood that is more beholden to the regular people rather than a specific private group that serve the interests of select few individuals.

Twisted could you explain the connection with Farmaajo and Ala Sheikh? Also, what is so vitally wrong with Ala sheikh? Thus far, very vague statements have been made, I have yet to encounter any real consequences of their supposed rule. Since, you are in Muqdisho you might have more info on them.

[Voltage]

I didn't know Voltage was a contributor to Afisoone's site.

http://qoraalka.com/viewqoraalka.php?id ... %A1d%C3%9A

This dude just plagiarized the crap out of me.

[RovingMadness]

Sadeboy,

Farmaajo is very much in bed with the Ala Shiekh group & individuals like Abdi Aynte & Abdikarim Jama who are not just vehemently Ala Shiekh but in fact are part of Sharif's inner circle also happen to be very close to Farmaajo. In fact after the collapse of the Farmaajo government a deep rift was created within Ala Shiekh & they came close to breaking up. This combined with the immense pressure by the international community around 2010 on Sharif to be more responsive to the interests & concerns of the people of Banadir fundamentally weakened the Ala Shiekh Group & sent close aides like Abdikarim Jama packing out of Mogadishu.

Unfortunately, couple months ago a reconciliation meeting between the Ala Shiekh group was held in Dubai. Abdikarim Jama, Saneey & the rest of the Ala Shiekh group are now back in Mogadishu & are back to spoiling the political equation. It's unfortunate & it's not clear whether Sharif is genuine in his reconciliation with his former buddies or if it's a political gimmick since we are now actively in the campaign season.

With regards to why folks are very suspicious of Ala Shiekh; well the concerns are many but it's chiefly that no one knows what these guys stand for or who they represent. They have developed this attitude of speaking for everyone & against everyone which drives people suspicious. I would very much like to know who exactly they represent. Somalia is a clan state & having this secret groups that spoil the clan balance is a dangerous development & threatens to restart the old clan hostilities & conflicts 

[SultanOrder]

Sadeboy,

Farmaajo is very much in bed with the Ala Shiekh group & individuals like Abdi Aynte & Abdikarim Jama who are not just vehemently Ala Shiekh but in fact are part of Sharif's inner circle also happen to be very close to Farmaajo. In fact after the collapse of the Farmaajo government a deep rift was created within Ala Shiekh & they came close to breaking up. This combined with the immense pressure by the international community around 2010 on Sharif to be more responsive to the interests & concerns of the people of Banadir fundamentally weakened the Ala Shiekh Group & sent close aides like Abdikarim Jama packing out of Mogadishu.

Unfortunately, couple months ago a reconciliation meeting between the Ala Shiekh group was held in Dubai. Abdikarim Jama, Saneey & the rest of the Ala Shiekh group are now back in Mogadishu & are back to spoiling the political equation. It's unfortunate & it's not clear whether Sharif is genuine in his reconciliation with his former buddies or if it's a political gimmick since we are now actively in the campaign season.

With regards to why folks are very suspicious of Ala Shiekh; well the concerns are many but it's chiefly that no one knows what these guys stand for or who they represent. They have developed this attitude of speaking for everyone & against everyone which drives people suspicious. I would very much like to know who exactly they represent. Somalia is a clan state & having this secret groups that spoil the clan balance is a dangerous development & threatens to restart the old clan hostilities & conflicts 

Which qabils consist of the Ala Sheikh group, as you have mentioned earlier, you said that they were part of the ICU in Xamar, and the Sharif himself is part of this group. Also, it is not surprising that the Ala sheikh holds considerable influence in politics, if they are a united group, then they hold considerable weight and are treated like any large faction within any government.
Roving, doesn't their power depends on how they will continue to be part of the government after the transition, and a new parliament is formed. If they are not representing any major qabil, and they are not an opposition group to be brought into the government, like ICU, what is their chances of survival?
As for Farmaajo, and having ties with them, I don't doubt you. As they serve a purpose for eachother, but only as they are politically useful to each other. But there is no politically ideology that unites them, so I don't believe that it is a relationship that will last.

[RovingMadness]

Certain individuals like Abdikarim Jama are undoubtedly clan operatives who are beholden to a specific clan agenda while others are driven by personal ambitions.  But I don't think that Ala Shiekh itself is beholden to any specific clan. 

Farmaajo is a part & parcel of Ala Shiekh. There's no doubt about that. His political collapse led to a huge rift within Ala Shiekh whose self-inflicted wounds were healed only recently. That's why when people attack Farmaajo, they are also in the very same breath attacking Ala Shiekh. The two are almost inseparable. 

[Murax]

D-Runner can hear about a Water crisis problem in Brazil yet somehow someway He'll tie it to Faroole, Puntland.

He thinks he can marginalize Beesha SADE with Garoowe accord I and II, I'm sorry but did u just say Jubbaland? It will not happen because Garoowe accord I and II doesn't simply allow it. Farmaajo u say? his not coming back..why? because Garoowe accord I and II wont allow it. (Insert anything beesha SADE related) and Drunner comes in screaming (Garoowe accord I and II or else hillary clinton will drop bombs)

I don't understand why his not satisfied with Puntland affairs and has to constantly aggressively force himself in places he has no say in.

"They want Bashaar Assad out? Garowe accord clearly states...." lol

[SultanOrder]

If Farmaajo and Ala sheikh are part and parcel of each other, this only strengthens Farmaajo's position, and keeps him relevant. I also don't believe that it weakens Farmaajo's position either, he is a populist candidate on the ground, but he also has a base in the current TFG. I suppose this is why Mahiga see's him as a threat. Also, this group has shown itself to be survivors, and they will continue to survive post-transition. But I believe that Farmaajo is seeing things in a bigger picture, and that is why he wants to have a base of his own, by creating his new party, therefore transitioning power-base away from them. For this reason, I don't believe that Farmaajo is part and parcel of Ala Sheikh, but they are a political convenience.