Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?

[Lamagoodle]

BTW, the southern sufi orders were organised into Jameeco which was an institution. They provided everything; settled disputes, participated in education, and were the backbone of social cohesion.

[sahal80]

@abukarzubeer
sorry mate, all the arab historians that you have mentioned have lived between the 12,13 centures, they only east african tribes they have mamed were hawiya and beja, no one heard yet your clans till al futuh in 1560s. these historians were talking about zaila wich had asharaf aal 3aqeel and they moved to harar, mogadisho and barawe the rest they call them the black berbers.

[Executive]

He was a sufi of the Sheikh Mohamed Salah order.Back then there was only Sufi orders which all developed from Abdul Qadir Jilani tariqa(Qadiria) in that part of Africa

He traveled widely those, I think he spent 10 years learning diinta in many places including Saudi arabia if I am not mistaking

[Executive]

So he was the Al-Shabab of his time is it, today its Africans and not the british same shidh.

Why would you equate him to Al-Shabab, and not say ICU, Al-Itixad, ,etc . From Suufi to Al-shabab thats one extreme to the other

[jalaaludin5]

The Sayyid would make Al-shabab look like buddhist monks.

[Alchemist]

The Sayyid would make Al-shabab look like buddhist monks.

true

[sahal80]

i did mistaked shaykh mohammed salah the sudanese founder of al salihiya with ist first shaykh in somalia shaykh mohamed guled according to m. m. lewis. it was the sudani shaykh al salih who leter heard of the numbers of muslim somalis that darvishs killed and their lootings so he took back his permission to represent his tariqa after heard that the darvishes killed the well knowin islamic al qadiri scholar from bagdad, hijaz and yemen, the author of al majmu3a al mubaraka and al jowhar al nafiis al shaykh aways al barawi at tiyeegloow in bakool.

[Grant]

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Barawa

Here's more of Aweys' part of the story.

[Jaidi]

Being a Sufi doesn't equate to you being pacifist that's a misreading that has no historical basis.

Back then, the Brits and other Westerners didn't know much about Islam and Muslims. Hence, why there didn't exist modernly employed terms such as khawaarij, Wahhabi, terrorist, etc in their literature (including media). You're mistaken; Sufi equates to being pacifist. Proof is Google Image; I couldn't find a single image associating Sufi with violence, resistance, arms (even knife), etc.

I dont understand what you are arguing here. It is a present day conception that beng Sufi= pacificist but in reality that isn't the case at all. I'm not arguing against perception, I'm just stating facts.

[Lamagoodle]

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Barawa

Here's more of Aweys' part of the story.

An interesting read! The Jameecada Bardheere was formed by people from Iimey (the birth place of the Great Sayid Mohamed Abdulle). It was a saalixiya movement although it functioned in a totally Qaadiriya area. I think the notion that the Jameecada Bardheere attached Barawe is far fetched though.

Since you have lived in Jilib, is the sheikh Nuur Xuseen's jameeca in Beledul Aamin a qadiriya one?

[Grant]

Lama,

I wasn't knowledgeable enough at the time to have known the difference, and wasn't aware of any local Jameeca. There was an annual siyyarro to the grave of a Shaikh Suleiman, whom I have not yet been able to identify with an historical figure. Wish I knew more.

[Khalid Ali]

Mohammad Abdullah hassan cannot be called a sufi he was a sufi as in the saalihiya order follower of Mohammad ibn salah but he developed his own little form of Salihiya he was ousted from the saalihiya order by Mohammad ibn salih , The crazy Mullah became later a takfiri which was contradicting with Mohammad ibn salihs saliyaha order.

[Lamagoodle]

Lama,

I wasn't knowledgeable enough at the time to have known the difference, and wasn't aware of any local Jameeca. There was an annual siyyarro to the grave of a Shaikh Suleiman, whom I have not yet been able to identify with an historical figure. Wish I knew more.

Ok. I will do some reseach and a thread about it. Many view somalia as a failed state which is true. I think the main culprit is the successive dismantling of the jameeca institution.

[Thuganomics]

Shaykh Uways bin Muhammad al-Baraawe

http://traditionalislamblog.wordpress.c ... l-baraawe/

[Lamagoodle]

This is a fascinating book on islam in East Africa and the different Dariiqas

http://www.google.com/books?hl=sv&lr=&i ... er&f=false