Wolverine....

[blackstars25]

^SMH that's what I mean. Struggle to find any decent Islamic books by non-Arabs when they are the minority of Muslims and then people complain about Wahabist infilitration in their societies. What do you expect when Arabs hold a monopoly of Islamic elearning and education? Those that say "this is how it's supposed to be, Arabs are the guardians of Islam blah blah" -- gtfo plz. I refuse to accept Arab superiority be it racially or their authority in the deen.

[jalaaludin5]

^SMH that's what I mean. Struggle to find any decent Islamic books by non-Arabs when they are the minority of Muslims and then people complain about Wahabist infilitration in their societies. What do you expect when Arabs hold a monopoly of Islamic elearning and education? Those that say "this is how it's supposed to be, Arabs are the guardians of Islam blah blah" -- gtfo plz. I refuse to accept Arab superiority be it racially or their authority in the deen.

Who said anything about Arab superiority?

Mise adiga isla murmaya..

[wolverine]

I have a few questions for you dude

1. Were you a muslim before you became a deist?

2. If yes what made you become a deist?

3. Why don't you believe in the afterlife?

4. Why did you rule out God's messenger's and just believe in God, don't you know that without God's messenger's we wouldn't know who's God today?

5. and lastly, how many more of you Somali deist converters are there?

I put numbers you're, so I can answer easier.

1. Yes.
2. Stopped believing, because of irrationalities and things that went against my conscious.
3. Because I don't believe in religion.
4. I don't see any evidence for prophethood.
5. I don't know.

[wolverine]

It only become taboo when you have doubt and not enough knowledge and you behave like Wolverine, Union and co or act like Dr Yalaxoow who twist and pervert the teaching of Islam.

Please don't put me in the same category as Dr Yalaxoow.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Never said occasioanlly, but I've had my moments. Yes I certainly could do with a boost of iman, been planning to buy some Islamic books -- probably Tariq Ramadan or something, any suggestions? Don't want anything hardcore.

Only cost £2. 50



Compiled from the works of:
Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, Ibn Al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya, and Abu Hamid al-Ghazali

It covers all the following points.


- Sincerity
- The Nature of Intention
- Types of Hearts
- Symptoms of the Heart’s Sickness and Signs of its Health
- The Four Poisons of the Heart
-The States of the Self

-How Does One Attain Sincerity by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah

-Jihâd al-Nafs (Striving against the Soul) by Imâm al-Ghazâlî

- I Want to Fight My Soul, so What is the Way? by Nawwâl bint Abdullâh

-The Literal Meaning of Tazkîyah: Its Aim and Scope by Amîn Ahsân Islâhî

- The Remedy for Excessive Love of Women by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Hamîd Kishk

-The Great Virtue of Lowering the Sight by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah

- Fasting Establishes Supremacy of The Soul by Muhaddith Shah Waliyullâh

Mashallah. I remember that book, I read it ages ago when I used to go to malcamad. One of the classics on Iman.

I can't find it anywhere nowadays.

[Grant]

From the comments, It doesn't seem you guys understand what Deism is. It is NOT atheism!

http://www.deism.com/deism_defined.htm

Deism denies the validity of revelation and most miracles, and establishes the existence of God solely from reason.

Check this partial listing (Wiki) of well known Deists:

This is a partial list of people who have been categorized as deists, the belief in a God based on natural religion only, or belief in religious truths discovered by people through a process of reasoning, independent of any revelation through scripture or prophets. They have been selected for their influence on Deism, or for their fame in other areas.

Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955), German theoretical physicist, one of the most prolific intellects in human history, also considered to be a pantheist[1]

Al-Maʿarri (973 – 1058), was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer, and a controversial rationalist.[2]

Andrei Sakharov (1921 – 1989), Soviet nuclear physicist, dissident and human rights activist.[3]

Antony Flew (1923 – 2010), British philosopher and prominent former atheist[4]

Alexander Pope (1688 – 1744), English poet during the eighteenth century

Adam Smith (1723 – 1790), Scottish Philosopher and economist, considered the father of modern economics[5]

Ahmad Kasravi (1890 – 1946), Iranian linguist, historian, and reformer.[6]

Benjamin Franklin (1706 – 1790), American polymath, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States[7]

Brett Gurewitz (1962 – ), guitarist and songwriter for the American punk rock band Bad Religion[8]

Charles Lyell (1797 – 1875), British lawyer and the foremost geologist of his day. He is best known as the author of Principles of Geology, which popularised James Hutton's concepts of uniformitarianism.[9]

Cicero (106 BCE – 43 BCE), Roman statesman, lawyer, political theorist, philosopher, and Roman constitutionalist[10]

Ethan Allen (1738 – 1789), early American revolutionary and guerrilla leader[11]

Edward Herbert, 1st Baron Herbert of Cherbury (1583 – 1648), British soldier, diplomat, historian, poet and religious philosopher[12]

Eduardo Velez Student, agnostic deist.

Elihu Palmer (1764 – 1806), American author and advocate of deism[13]

Frederick the Great (1712 – 1786), Prussian King from the Hohenzollern dynasty[14]

Gottfried Leibniz (1646 – 1716), German mathematician and philosopher. He is best known for developing infinitesimal calculus independently of Isaac Newton, and his mathematical notation has been widely used ever since it was published.[15][16]

Gotthold Ephraim Lessing (1729 – 1781), German writer, philosopher, dramatist, publicist, and art critic[17]

George Washington (1732 – 1799), one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and the 1st President of the United States[18]

Henri Poincaré (1854 – 1912), French mathematician, theoretical physicist, engineer, and a philosopher of science.[19][20]

Henrik Wergeland (1808 – 1845), Norwegian poet and theologist (by self-definition).

Jean Baptiste Lamarck (1744 – 1829), French naturalist. He was a soldier, biologist, academic, and an early proponent of the idea that evolution occurred and proceeded in accordance with natural laws.[21]

Jean le Rond D’Alembert (1717 – 1783), French mathematician, mechanician, physicist, philosopher, and music theorist. He was also co-editor with Denis Diderot of the Encyclopédie.[22]

John Toland (1670 – 1722), Irish philosopher, coined the term "pantheism"[23]

John Locke (1632 – 1704), influential English philosopher in the field of empiricism[24]

James Madison (1751 – 1836), "Father of the United States Constitution", one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and the 4th President of the United States[18]

Lysander Spooner (1808 – 1887), American anarchist, philosopher and abolitionist[25]

Maximilien Robespierre (1758 – 1794), French revolutionary and lawyer[26]

Mark Twain (1835 – 1910), American author and humorist[27]

Moses Mendelssohn (1729 – 1786), German philosopher influential in the Jewish Haskalah[28]

Matthew Tindal (1657 – 1733), controversial English author whose works were influential on Enlightenment thinking[29]

Max Planck (1858 – 1947), German physicist, regarded as the founder of quantum theory.[30]

Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi or Rhazes (865 – 925), Persian polymath, physician, alchemist and chemist, philosopher, and scholar.[31]

Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 – 1821), French military and political leader[32]

Nick Cave (1957 – ), Australian musician, songwriter, poet, author and actor.[33][34]

Paul Davies (1946 – ), British physicist and science writer and broadcaster [35]

Thomas Alva Edison (1847 – 1931), American inventor and businessman.[36]

Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826), author of the United States Declaration of Independence, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, and the 3rd President of the United States[37]

Thomas Paine (1737 – 1809), English pamphleteer, revolutionary, radical, inventor, and intellectual, and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States[38]

Victor Hugo (1802 – 1885), French writer, artist, activist and statesman[27][39]

Voltaire (1694 – 1778), French Enlightenment writer and philosopher[40]

William Hogarth (1697 – 1764), English painter, visual artist and pioneering cartoonist[41]

Wolfgang Pauli (1900 – 1958), Austrian theoretical physicist. In 1945, he received the Nobel Prize in Physics. He is best known for his work on Pauli principle and spin theory.[42]

[blackstars25]

^Since deists believe in God, what do they think He wants? Do they believe God created the universe for no reason? Surely there must be a reason...

[Grant]

http://english.turkcebilgi.com/Deist

"Constructive elements of Deist thought included:

God exists and created the universe.
God wants human beings to behave morally.
Human beings have souls that survive death; that is, there is an afterlife.
In the afterlife, God will reward moral behavior and punish immoral behavior.

Individual Deists varied in the set of critical and constructive elements for which they argued. Some Deists rejected miracles and prophecies but still considered themselves Christians because they believed in what they felt to be the pure, original form of Christianity — that is, Christianity as it existed before it was corrupted by additions of such superstitions as miracles, prophecies, and the doctrine of the Trinity. Some Deists rejected the claim of Jesus' divinity but continued to hold him in high regard as a moral teacher (see, e.g., Thomas Jefferson's famous Jefferson Bible). Other, more radical Deists rejected Christianity altogether and expressed hostility toward Christianity, which they regarded as pure superstition. In return, Christian writers often charged radical Deists with atheism. "

[blackstars25]

And how do you know thats what God wants? I think the point of having revelation, religion and prophets is so that they could convey to us what God wants and our true purpose of life.

I don't buy that you can know what God wants by using "reason". Your mind is finite, God is infinite.

[Grant]

The position developed over time. You're going to have to read some:

http://www.deism.com/deistamerica.htm

[blackstars25]

cool....i'll read it tmrw.

>>off to bed.