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Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:45 pm
by The`Republic
Cirwaaq, if I wanted bed time stories, I would open a Dr Suess. Please do not speak to me as if I am in the business of taking advice from you on anything concerning Somalia. Thanks.
if this means sakiin is out then im welcoming this Jawaari guy. thats just perfect
Khalid ali, i thought u said on the other thread that sakiin will win big time, why are you now saying he would lose for shariif axmed if they were at final round!
Khalid and these people only have the headlines for information; hence why every time it changes, they change.
I will say it again for the umpteenth time:
NEITHER SHEIKH SHARIF NOR SHARIF HASSAN WILL COME BACK.
If this was real life I would put something real valuable on this statement.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:46 pm
by SultanOrder
Sagaashan wrote:Mondey wrote:if this means sakiin is out then im welcoming this Jawaari guy. thats just perfect
Khalid ali, i thought u said on the other thread that sakiin will win big time, why are you now saying he would lose for shariif axmed if they were at final round!
you are asking the same guy who was mourning Zenewi's death because he dead to early to decide the next Somali election
Khalid is one of the funniest members here, I don't know what it would be like if he wasn't here.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:59 pm
by Sagaashan
Perfect_Order wrote:The IC is not a top down coherent organization, but a coalition of carrying interests that over lap sometimes and not other times. We have: US, UN, AU, Ethiopia, now Kenya, Uganda, and many more divisions. Now, an intelligent and calculating politician knows when they align on something, or when a specific power is pushing for something. Shariff Sakiin has been able to swim through a mess of varying interests for a few reasons. He has been able to market himself as the Raxanwayne politician through a series of good connections and money. And he has been able to attach himself to the rising powers, and not seeming too ambitious. But along the way he has made too many enemies that rather see him gone than stay. The reason Farmaajo was booted out was not because of his lack of success nor because of his success, but because he wasn't an experienced politician, and did not calculate where power lay at what time, he was too frank and rubbed too many shoulders. But as his return illustrates, he is more experienced now, and knows where the power lays. After his protests, he was told you can't organize nor call for any more protests by Amisom, and he listened, and from his return back he has forged connections with the state department.
Now, Shariff Sakiin is aiming for the top seat, and going against what he has been doing for so long. In this new position people will calculate what kind of person he is, using past experience, to determine if he is trustable. Now, take someone who is not part of his click, and he is offered something by Sakiin. You ask yourself, how much does he really need me, how many other people has he promised this, how likely is going to succeed, and if he does, how likely will he deliver on his promise. Tuug la qabtay talo ma leh. The majority of mp's know that they can't expect much from him as in terms of positions, and that they can't trust him either. So how much incentive does one have to vote for Sakiin? Sneaky people work best when they are not in the lime light. And the Monitoring group exposed his sneaky dealings. Take for example the money Sharmarke got from Oman, Sakiin took in houndreds of thousands, from the 1 or 3million dollars, when he asked Sakiin for his cut, he only got 10k for his "travel expenses". If that doesn't show you his character, I don't know what does. His money works best upfront for people like the elders who are a one time use only, and after that they are discarded.
will $50-100,000 be enough incentive to change your mind
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:02 pm
by SultanOrder
Yes, but that better go into my account before the election. And even then, can he trust me to vote for him, especially since he can't take the money back? Bottom line is, there is no trust that can be estabilished with him.
Sagaashan, some of the figures that are being thrown around are ridiculous. How many people can he pay off with that amount? 20 people is already 1million dollars, and that is just at 50k each.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:09 pm
by Sagaashan
Its clear you have never brought someone from Africa through the wire, so it goes like this. You make a promise that you will pay them in full when they arrive. For security, you pay a small portion as a down payment. A third party like Dahabshiil manages the funds while work is in progress. After services have been delivered you collect the remainder. I'm sure there is many ways things can be managed and the votes received before funds are distributed.
I think the figures are out of this world, but even if you discount them by half, its still a huge amount in today's Somalia. I think it was you who alluded to the fact that this election is a sham b/c at the end of the day, it will come down to money and not merit.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:23 pm
by SultanOrder
The figures I believed came down the money for the elders. I alluded to the fact that someone who is corrupt could rise to the top using the same method as the mps for president and speaker. But if you will remember, I also made note of the flaw since the mp's will be here for four years, and that doesn't put such a pressure for immediate incentive for their votes. MP can be a lucrative position, looking at the 4 year period if you look at how many private interests will be involved whether international or national will be trying to affect legislation either way.
But look at shariff sakiin, the elephant in the room is corruption. Who is his friend and who isn't? Can someone set him up, and squeal just like the monitoring report and effectively build evidence against him? How serious is the UN about trying him, do you think he knows? What Sakiin is doing is effectively digging his own grave by running for president.
Also, a few million dollars changing hands is not going to go unnoticed.
As for everything, allahu calam, we can only guess from behind the screen.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:27 pm
by Cirwaaq
Sagaashan wrote:Cirwaaq, Sh. Sakiin is out if Jawaari is elected. He can easily be elected if he gets a good majority of the D-block (Puntland, MR, OG) votes, Hawiye could be supportive b/c they want the top post, some dir, and beesha shanaad. He will totaly lose the D&M votes, but he can still build a coalition to win w/o them. Sh. Sakiin is somewhere close to Villa Somalia crying softly, even nothing else it makes him work harder and pay little bit more.
It is one thing to share one's opinion it is another where anally retentive mother f*ckers assume their word is gospel of mathew regarding anything somali related. We all have the capacity for vulgarity and in the somali community it is frowned upon for one to refrain from foul outbursts.
Is it too much to expect exchanges of views without the childish under tones?
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:32 pm
by Cirwaaq
The`Republic wrote:Cirwaaq, if I wanted bed time stories, I would open a Dr Suess. Please do not speak to me as if I am in the business of taking advice from you on anything concerning Somalia. Thanks.
if this means sakiin is out then im welcoming this Jawaari guy. thats just perfect
Khalid ali, i thought u said on the other thread that sakiin will win big time, why are you now saying he would lose for shariif axmed if they were at final round!
Khalid and these people only have the headlines for information; hence why every time it changes, they change.
I will say it again for the umpteenth time:
NEITHER SHEIKH SHARIF NOR SHARIF HASSAN WILL COME BACK.
If this was real life I would put something real valuable on this statement.
Listen you lil cunt i will continue to express my views without any directions from you, your only option is to acknowledge or ignore as you please.
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:47 pm
by Khalid Ali
Monday I mean that sharif wil think he can easily beat sharif sakin
The darood candidates are more a threat to him than sharif sakiin but that doesent mean sharif sakin can't beat him
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:56 pm
by Mondey
The`Republic wrote:Cirwaaq, if I wanted bed time stories, I would open a Dr Suess. Please do not speak to me as if I am in the business of taking advice from you on anything concerning Somalia. Thanks.
if this means sakiin is out then im welcoming this Jawaari guy. thats just perfect
Khalid ali, i thought u said on the other thread that sakiin will win big time, why are you now saying he would lose for shariif axmed if they were at final round!
Khalid and these people only have the headlines for information; hence why every time it changes, they change.
I will say it again for the umpteenth time:
NEITHER SHEIKH SHARIF NOR SHARIF HASSAN WILL COME BACK.
If this was real life I would put something real valuable on this statement.
the big question is if Sakiin is out who is more favorable to win the 61 D&M votes?
Re: Favorite for Speaker: Professor Jawaari officially annou
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:26 am
by Osob101
regardless who ever win's the speaker it is now for certain it will be a Non-Hawiye which basically has destroyed the plan Sharif Hassan and Abdiweli had