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Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:22 pm
by Executive
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:
Executive wrote:
It refers to the people of her household, and it not general.
It's your interpretation! THE hadith says women can lead salaat. and some mad.habs say women can lead taaraawiix salaat.. so those racist against women existance they make their own fake interpretation and say its only in household..


thats wrong man... first you salafism claime you can not mixed in one place women and men praying together, and the answer of that is just visit the biggest masjid in the world masjid Hram in makah. everyday man and women pray mixed togather inside the masjid...

marka women can lead salaat and salafism should stop wearing those suicide vest :down:

Its not my interpretation, I think you are poorly translating the hadith. Do you know what ahl dariha refers to?

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:23 pm
by grandpakhalif
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:
Executive wrote:
It refers to the people of her household, and it not general.
It's your interpretation! THE hadith says women can lead salaat. and some mad.habs say women can lead taaraawiix salaat.. so those racist against women existance they make their own fake interpretation and say its only in household..


thats wrong man... first you salafism claime you can not mixed in one place women and men praying together, and the answer of that is just visit the biggest masjid in the world masjid Hram in makah. everyday man and women pray mixed togather inside the masjid...

marka women can lead salaat and salafism should stop wearing those suicide vest :down:
read the hadeeth properly man it says ahl dariha, do you know what ahl dariha meansÉ it means the household so no this was not in a masjid but in a private house! so no women are not allowed to lead prayer if that was true you would say the prophet (saws) would allow it... or the quran!

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:24 pm
by Executive
^ Thats the problem with our Doctor Yalaxow :lol: wa seef la bood, everything is halal and easy for him, he translate things just as he wants.

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:42 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Jaamac1975 wrote:Abubakar,

There are half million Hadith, 99% of them from a dubious origin the oldest been writen at least some 250 years after its alleged occurence. One should be very carefull on these sayings , the Shia have complet set of Hadith then the Suni, Suni themselfs have few collections, who should be trusted , nobody knows for sure, one man once claimed he authored 30k Hadith and faked it.

There is no authentic "mahdi" tardition in Suni Islam , its was a Shiyaca innovation borrowed from the Jews and their coming Messiah, even the "dajaal" is nothing more then the Anti-christ of the Christians.
What are you the new Yaxalow?

No Mahdi
No 2nd coming of Isa
No dajjal

Remain in eternal blindless, your loss mate! :mindblown:

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:46 pm
by Jaamac1975
Mahdi= Messaiah
Dajaal Al-Acwar or the crossed-eyed Imposter = the Anti-Christ.

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:29 pm
by gurey25
AbuukarSubeer wrote:
gurey25 wrote:abubaker you obcession with the mahdi is a deviation and this places you on the same level as the other deviant sects.
Deviated sects such as the Shia'? The Imam at the time he proclaims himself in Makkah will unite the Ummah and defeat the odds.

Why make wild assumptions? Do you not agree that the Mahdi is the last of the Khulifa Ar'Rashidun, and that he is one of the 7 leaders of Jannah , Do you not agree that he resembles the prophet more then anyone in character and behaviour, and that he will lead the muslims to damascus where the son of mary will take control and lead the ummah?

yes deviant sects use the mahdi as a crutch, and a way of avoiding responsibility.
you should not wait for the mahdi.

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:36 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
mahdi do not exist. and last prophet walked on this planet was prophet mohamed sc and no prophet after him will walk again on this planet.. and dajjaal is a mythical figur innovations which was invented hundred od hundred years after prophets mohamed sc died..

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:50 pm
by Colonel
Jaamac1975 wrote:Mahdi= Messaiah
Dajaal Al-Acwar or the crossed-eyed Imposter = the Anti-Christ.
The Messiah is Isa ibn Maryam (Prophet Jesus), Imam Mahdi is from the family of Prophet Muhammad (saw). They are not the same person.
3. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘The Mahdi is of my lineage, with a high forehead and a long, thin, curved nose. He will fill the earth with fairness and justice as it was filled with oppression and injustice, and he will rule for seven years.’" (Sunan Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Mahdi, 11/375, hadeeth 4265; Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557; he said: this is a saheeh hadeeth according to the conditions of Muslim, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. See also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6736).
Abu Umaamah Al-Baahili narrated: “…while their Imaam will have advanced to pray the Fajr prayer with them, Eesa, the son of Mary will descend [at the time of the Fajr prayer]. The Imaam will draw backward so that ‘Eesa would go forward and lead the people in prayer. However, ‘Eesa would put his hand between his shoulders and say to him: “Go forward and pray, as it is for you that the call for the prayer was called, so their Imaam would lead them in prayer.” [Ibn Maajah]

On the other hand, some scholars have tried to reconcile between the two narrations as they interpreted the Ahaadeeth in two different ways. For instance, Al-Munaawi said in his book entitled Faydh Al-Qadeer,

"He (i.e. ‘Eesa ) would descend at the time of Fajr prayer at the white minaret east of Damascus and he would find the Imaam (of prayer) Al-Mahdi wanting to establish the prayer. When he realizes that ‘Eesa is present, he would draw backward so that ‘Eesa would advance (to lead the people in prayer) but ‘Eesa would put him forward to lead the prayer and he would pray behind him. So, this is a great favor and honor for this nation. Thus, what is mentioned in this Hadeeth does not contradict what is mentioned in other narrations that ‘Eesa will lead Al-Mahdi in prayer.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index ... &Id=172455

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:59 pm
by ModerateMuslim
whats the point of arguing with dr dameer when he's just going to make stuff as he goes along? :?

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:08 pm
by Negritude
grandpakhalif wrote:God never said that women should lead Salat, it is 100% against god's will because the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) never let the best women his wife AISHA (RA) lead prayer even one time in the whole history of islam.

also the prophet said whoever creates an innovation and misleads people he is going to hellfire...
is that your blog

are you myhaj 2.0?

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:28 pm
by Arabmann
This group that has its inception in America reminds me of another one that was born in Tucson, Arizona. They were originally known as Quran aloners, but now known as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sub ... ernational

Grant has studied them, and used/quoted a number of times their arguments and views.

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:28 pm
by *Nobleman*
Imamah Jamila Kulaha :mindblown: these people have lost the plot

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:32 pm
by *Nobleman*
I rarely ever read Abuukar, Grandpa and certainly dr yalaxow posts. These guys are on the extreme of their beliefs and will use any hadith to justify their arguments.

Islam is the middle ground. :ufdup:

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:42 pm
by abdikarim86
*Nobleman* wrote:I rarely ever read Abuukar, Grandpa and certainly dr yalaxow posts. These guys are on the extreme of their beliefs and will use any hadith to justify their arguments.

Islam is the middle ground. :ufdup:
Couldn't agree more :up:

Re: 'Progressive Muslims'; a new fitnah on our shores

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:46 pm
by Executive
*Nobleman* wrote:I rarely ever read Abuukar, Grandpa and certainly dr yalaxow posts. These guys are on the extreme of their beliefs and will use any hadith to justify their arguments.

Islam is the middle ground. :ufdup:

:up: