Islam: The Untold Story

[ElfRuler]

guys yalaxow is correct.
i believe he got it from here.

http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/med ... ineiii.htm

this coin is depicting mucawiya and is in the style of Sassanian coins.
silver drachma.

it looks exactly like this coin


Sassanian shah Varhan the second from 214AD

So all the Muslim did was take Sassanian coins and write what appears to be bismillah on the right side of the coin?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

So all the Muslim did was take Sassanian coins and write what appears to be bismillah on the right side of the coin?

first islamic empire had also their own coins which showed full painting of humans. like Abdullah ibn zubeyr the son of sahabi zubeyr ibn cawaan.
when abdullah ib zubeyr become caliph after 60 years prophet sc past away,, abdullah he even wrote ashada those coints whit full picture of big bearded man..


its gold coints from 7th century under the time caliph abdullah ibn zubeyr.

[ElfRuler]

Yalaxoow, what exactly are you arguing for that the Muslims made these coins and purposely drew faces on them, or that they modified Sassanian coins that were already in existence?

The first Islamic coins minted in the eastern Islamic lands (Iran and central Asia) initially adapted Sasanian silver types. The Sasanian coins bore the head of Khosrau II (reigned 590-628) on the obverse (front) of the coin, and a fire altar on the reverse. The fire is a sacred symbol in the Zoroastrian religion which was the state religion in ancient Persia under the Sasanians.

Under Islamic rule these Sasanian images were adapted to include Arabic inscriptions. The coin shown here was struck by the powerful Umayyad governor of the eastern provinces, al-Hajjaj ibn. Yusuf. His name appears in Kufic script to the right of the head of Khosrau II. He was in charge of implementing the reform of the coinage initiated by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik (685-706)

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/hi ... yusuf.aspx

[DR-YALAXOOW]

if painting pictures was haraam in islam as salafis claime those muslim rulers such abdulah ibn zubeyr and mauawiya would not allow human handcrafted picture coins to be used in the islamic empire.. so my point was salafism changed a new innovations to claime paints and handcrafted human pictures is haraam under islam. which we see here early islam was okay of using coins which showed pictures of islamic leaders.

[Executive]

if painting pictures was haraam in islam as salafis claime those muslim rulers such abdulah ibn zubeyr and mauawiya would not allow human handcrafted picture coins to be used in the islamic empire.. so my point was salafism changed a new innovations to claime paints and handcrafted human pictures is haraam under islam. which we see here early islam was okay of using coins which showed pictures of islamic leaders.

Again, marka halal iyo haram ka hadleeysid ma quran iyo sunnah u labatiid. Hebel saan oo yelley wax soocanye ma haan. wala salafi wala mauawiya.

[ElfRuler]

if painting pictures was haraam in islam as salafis claime those muslim rulers such abdulah ibn zubeyr and mauawiya would not allow human handcrafted picture coins to be used in the islamic empire.. so my point was salafism changed a new innovations to claime paints and handcrafted human pictures is haraam under islam. which we see here early islam was okay of using coins which showed pictures of islamic leaders.

Those are not pictures of Islamic Leaders. You can't make that claim without providing evidence from a reliable sources. If you have read the quote I have perviously posted, you would know that the Islamic Empire merely modified existing coins.

Why would an empire throw away existing coins of silver and gold merely because they have images on them? They did not create those images at the first place, but rather they were manufactured by a conquered culture.

You can't merely assume things with "Ifs and buts", and throw the term SALAFI around to downplay a Sahih hadith of the Prophet (PBUH).

Hadith - Bukhari 3:428, Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan

While I was with Ibn 'Abbas a man came and said, "O father of 'Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures." Ibn 'Abbas said, "I will tell you only what I heard from Allah's Apostle . I heard him saying, 'Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.' " Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn 'Abbas said to him, "What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects."

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Again, marka halal iyo haram ka hadleeysid ma quran iyo sunnah u labatiid. Hebel saan oo yelley wax soocanye ma haan. wala salafi wala mauawiya.

are you saying muawiya and abdullah ib zubeyr who saw the prophet and was there when quran was reaveled did not know whats haram and halaal.. of course thos people knew more than bukhari and other hadith writters who lived 300 years afther prophet sc time.. and salafis often they use false hadiith to make haraam what was halaal under first sahabis like painting pictures---

[ElfRuler]

Again, marka halal iyo haram ka hadleeysid ma quran iyo sunnah u labatiid. Hebel saan oo yelley wax soocanye ma haan. wala salafi wala mauawiya.

are you saying muawiya and abdullah ib zunbeyr who saw the prophet and was there when quran was reaveled did not know whats haram and halaal.. of course thos people knew more than bukhari and other hadith writters who lved 300 years afther prophet sc time.. and salafis often they use false hadiith to make haraam what was halaal under first sahabis like painting pictures---

Doesn't your heart shy away from make assumptions and comments about a Sahabi like Zuybayr?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

abdullahi ibn al zubeyr was first caliph which produced coins whit paintings of picture and shahada on the coins... and abdulah ibn zubeyr was crusified and beheaded by Ibn marwan. who later become caliph..

[truther]

So when did the "no pictures allowed" policy start?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

So when did the "no pictures allowed" policy start?

in 17th century under wahabi salafi founder mr mohamed abdul wahaab.. he made haraam all HUMAN images and paintings because according salafism its idol WORSHIPING therefore its haraam under islam...

[Substance]

You are arguing with a guy who dont think Isa (as) will return, he dont give much for the sunnah or hadiths. Yet he complains daily about the salafis.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

You are arguing with a guy who dont think Isa (as) will return, he dont give much for the sunnah or hadiths. Yet he complains daily about the salafis.

give me a verse in the quran which says JESUS WILL COME BACK??

[truther]

So when did the "no pictures allowed" policy start?

in 17th century under wahabi salafi founder mr mohamed abdul wahaab.. he made haraam all HUMAN images and paintings because according salafism its idol WORSHIPING therefore its haraam under islam...

What about all the other empires? The Abasids, the Ayyubids, the Mamluks, Ottoman empire. Did they have pictures on their currencies?

[ElfRuler]

abdullahi ibn al zubeyr was first caliph which produced coins whit paintings of picture and shahada on the coins... and abdulah ibn zubeyr was crusified and beheaded by Ibn marwan. who later become caliph..

Okay, all you have to do now is provide something called a "SOURCE". I have no idea where you're getting your information from. There is no evidence whatsoever that Ibn-Al Zubayr produced coins which have pictures on them. he might have used existing coins, but to place the blame on him, is a completely different matter.

Imagery was an issue during Abd Al-Malik's times.

This is the first issue of coins struck by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik (reigned AD 685-706) as part of his revolutionary reform of the Islamic coinage in AD 696-7.

The reform involved substituting any images on the coins for writing. It was principally done because of the unease felt by Muslim clerics against the portrayal of images. From this time inscriptions predominate on Islamic coins, although there are some exceptions.


The inscriptions, which do not include the name of the caliph or the mint, state the essence of the Muslim message in Arabic, the Islamic profession of faith, the shahada. The inscriptions are in the angular Kufic script.

Along with the new design came a new weight standard. The Byzantine standard of 4.55 g, which had been previously used, was adjusted to 4.25 g, a weight also known as the mithqal.