How is the welfare system in your country?

[Marques]

I'm coming to Oslo

Money rules.

[TATI]

What is with Somalis and their obsession with welfare? Other ethnic groups are embarrassed to be on welfare and work diligently to find a way to get off it. The average Somali however will be fully content on living off the hard working tax paying gaal for 20 years if he could, with no intention of ever getting off it. He/she would rather choose welfare over work in a heartbeat. The word "social mobility" has zero bearing to the Somali. They are happy living in the same routine sedentary lifestyle as they've been living in Somalia, just living according to the season, herding camels, chewing khat, just living like an animal . And here we have it, Somalis gloating over the free privileges they leech from whatever unfortunate country that hosts them.

ps Ever wonder why Somalis, of all places in the US, are heavily concentrated in that freezing mid-western state called Minnesota? Well turns out, Minnesota offers the best welfare benefits in the country.

Minnesota here I come!

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Ain't nothing wrong with living off the government (even if it's forever)

[STARKAST]

Those that came to the west as refugees you would think would be smart enough to work hard to the limit.
Well some groups do just that.
But we, specially those in the U.K the vast majority of those over 30 take and demand and feel they are entitled to benefits.

This was worsened when the Dutch and the rest (scans) used secondary migration and joined in the frenzy to sign on the dole...

The worst thing is that those that are social critics of Somalia most likely take full benefits while travelling across London and the U.k discussing Somalia while chewing Khat.
This is includes those old Somali men who do the travelling and the youngers eating Khat.

Actually Mr I sound so smart but actually ignorant. A recent survey done by the British government proved that the amount of Somalis that work in Britain is much higher than the ones that take benefit. Just because your broke ass takes benefits does not mean all Somalis do. Speak for yourself most of us are from families who work hard for a living.

You must be joking. Where is this survey yous speak off.
Dependence is one of the worst things you can do as a Muslim.
Most Somalis depend on gaalo to feed, house and look after themselves and their children.....Shame.
(From a U.k view however i assume its the same everywhere)

[gedo_gurl]

Welfare should be for the needy and not those who can work. I hate benefits with a passion, the UK would be a thriving country if it wasnt for benefits. Its not just the immigrants, you will see healthy, young Brits having kids and staying at home drinking themselves stupid with cheap alcohol. Its a disgrace and not because I'm right wing, far from it. I'm thinking about these poor young people who would have something to be proud of a career, education, open minds, world travel even if they just stopped the welfare lifestyle which is dead end and brings so many social problems and ignorance along with it. If the government wanted Brits to learn more and have a population to be even prouder of, they would stop benefits altogether for able people. Old people are vulnerable as are the sick so I would leave it just for them.

[Tuushi]

Finally;Somalis sharing valuable info.

[Lillaahiya]

Welfare should be for the needy and not those who can work. I hate benefits with a passion, the UK would be a thriving country if it wasnt for benefits. Its not just the immigrants, you will see healthy, young Brits having kids and staying at home drinking themselves stupid with cheap alcohol. Its a disgrace and not because I'm right wing, far from it. I'm thinking about these poor young people who would have something to be proud of a career, education, open minds, world travel even if they just stopped the welfare lifestyle which is dead end and brings so many social problems and ignorance along with it. If the government wanted Brits to learn more and have a population to be even prouder of, they would stop benefits altogether for able people. Old people are vulnerable as are the sick so I would leave it just for them.

People from lower socioeconomic backgrounds are often channeled into precarious lines of work that offer little training or transferable skills, as well as poverty wages, which is why they depend on government assistance to supplement their income. A minuscule percentage of "able people" milk the system while they get bent at home. The popular perception that welfare recipients are lazy and lack work ethic is right-wing propaganda.

[Methylamine]

Welfare should be for the needy and not those who can work. I hate benefits with a passion, the UK would be a thriving country if it wasnt for benefits. Its not just the immigrants, you will see healthy, young Brits having kids and staying at home drinking themselves stupid with cheap alcohol. Its a disgrace and not because I'm right wing, far from it. I'm thinking about these poor young people who would have something to be proud of a career, education, open minds, world travel even if they just stopped the welfare lifestyle which is dead end and brings so many social problems and ignorance along with it. If the government wanted Brits to learn more and have a population to be even prouder of, they would stop benefits altogether for able people. Old people are vulnerable as are the sick so I would leave it just for them.

People from lower socioeconomic backgrounds are often channeled into precarious lines of work that offer little training or transferable skills, as well as poverty wages, which is why they depend on government assistance to supplement their income. A minuscule percentage of "able people" milk the system while they get bent at home. The popular perception that welfare recipients are lazy and lack work ethic is right-wing propaganda.

I really hope they cut your osap checks

[Lillaahiya]

I don't live off osap.

[STARKAST]

We Somalis once had pride and honour.
I agree with Gedo Girl.

Sorry Lillaahiya Nepalis arrived here just over 5 years ago along with poles. However you see Nepalis working right left and center. The poles to a lesser extent but still highly visible trying to undercut the workforce however there is still work ethic here.
Something Somalis lost 30 yrs ago.

I have no sympathy for Somalis specially the ones who arrived 20 yrs ago and even more so for those that migrated from other places on a world tour and still refusing to work.

Note : Nepalis live in Isolation (in asia) with a bigger language barrier than the Somali. However their workforce participation is much higher here and disproportional compared to Somalis.

Proof : Naturalistic observations and stats.

And don't give me that bs that they are psychologically affected. conflict is in our culture and blood.

[Lillaahiya]

Anecdotal experiences/observations vs. many sociological reports w/ statistical analysis

Believe what you want

[STARKAST]

I'm a social scientist you can't pull that off on me.

You know if Somalis were smart, they'd invest all that cash but you know the story.

But the port of call is how are we going to change this deviant behavior.

[gedo_gurl]

Lilaahiya, please dont give me that old hoohaa! Social mobility in modern Britain is possible, this isnt the 80's and earlier any more. I came from the most disadvantaged group; refugees, my parents did not value education after A levels either and I went to a school that had gangs and knifing incidents. If I made it out alright and so could they. Plenty of people, enough for it to be a worry (I didnt say any where near most) are living off benefits and could be living much better lives if they understood that careers take time and effort. I know many nurses and midwives who came from very disadvantaged backgrounds even abusive homes, that education was free and they happily middle class now and broke the cycle. No more excuses for the so called 'underclass'. There are plenty of jobs they could do with transferable skills, you are thinking in that soppy box most so called sociologists live in and its not helpful. Plumbing was once seen as a crappy job and now look, plumbing millionaires. Think outside of the box, actually...just think, and you could be out of poverty in a few years. No one said it was easy. Its not a problem to supplement your income, no one should be living in poverty if they work and the government is making the right moves in that respect by introducing this new benefits system which rewards work. Its a nanny state thing to do but it will pay off if it means an incentive to stay in work and get those skills which will keep you in work.

[barakaboy10]

i don't care what any other country offers, united states is the best country in the world, period!

if i ever move from here, i am moving to Canada or Africa.

as you mentioned Norway is a very good country but i won't fit there. in fact, for any European country. well, perhaps England just for its huge Somali population.

however, i would love to visit Norway sometime, though.

viva united states

[gedo_gurl]

Starkast, its the ones who have or claim to have a very severe disability who get any sort of money. They living with suugo made mainly out of potatoes and starving their kids socially so they can get that hagbad going, and we wonder why kids join gangs eventually?!

[Lillaahiya]

There is no upward mobility. 95% of those who are wealthy today were born into wealthy families. "Knowing" plenty of people who "made" it (for you that's becoming nurses/midwives)
isn't enough to conclude that it's possible for the masses who don't.

@ you could be out of poverty in a few years. That's rich.