If Isaaq & Hawiye do not share power,we must recognize them

[Osob101]

warsheekh, why are you opposed to SL's self determination? ileen SL doesn't contribute anything to somalia nor harms it.

Are you willing to give the right of self determination to those who do not want to join you?

Sure if the people of Somalia or its leaders suggest that we will consider it ,would you support it?

I would support your independence if you accept that in the event that people who are not Isaaq vote to not separate than you must respect their self determination also. I have no problem if you walk away with your own land but forcing others into your union invalidates your whole point of self determination.

[Khalid Ali]

The people of SL will vote not just isaaq but all the clans in Somaliland have a say about the future of SL, when we in 1960s our leaders came to xamar, no one voted for a union or not , the leaders of SL took the people although The People of Hargeisa were so enthusiastic. There is 2 ways we can do this , either hold a UN supervised referendum for Somaliland , or hold a village for village referendum

Cosob would you support if reer Afmadow wants to join Garisa and nairobi do you think those districts should be given the chance to vote if they want seperation from xamar?

[BigBreak]

osob

somaliland means british somaliland and somaliland as an entity is one which means we join with somalia as one or we split with somalia as one, nothing in between our borders are recognised as legit by au and we was a country before 1/1/60 therefore if a vote was to be held in somaliland it will be one man one vote not one clan one vote isaaq is over 60% and the others have to follow us even its sound unfair

remember, clan does not mean country

[Cumar-Labasuul]

warsheekh, why are you opposed to SL's self determination? ileen SL doesn't contribute anything to somalia nor harms it.

Are you willing to give the right of self determination to those who do not want to join you?

and who are you to preach, that isn't your concern. Somaliland doesn't need anything from somalia. Rather it is somalia that is still clinging onto Somaliland.

Whether you call SL isaaqland or not it doesn't change the reality.

[Osob101]

warsheekh, why are you opposed to SL's self determination? ileen SL doesn't contribute anything to somalia nor harms it.

Are you willing to give the right of self determination to those who do not want to join you?

and who are you to preach, that isn't your concern. Somaliland doesn't need anything from somalia. Rather it is somalia that is still clinging onto Somaliland.

Whether you call SL isaaqland or not it doesn't change the reality.

You are the one who preaches self determination. Am just showing you the hypocrisy your saying here. You should want the same freedom, respect and self determination you want for yourself also for others. Forcing others into something they don't want won't work. You want recognition than recognize others.

[Osob101]

The people of SL will vote not just isaaq but all the clans in Somaliland have a say about the future of SL, when we in 1960s our leaders came to xamar, no one voted for a union or not , the leaders of SL took the people although The People of Hargeisa were so enthusiastic. There is 2 ways we can do this , either hold a UN supervised referendum for Somaliland , or hold a village for village referendum

Cosob would you support if reer Afmadow wants to join Garisa and nairobi do you think those districts should be given the chance to vote if they want seperation from xamar?

If the people of Afmadow want to join even China than I will support it. It's their choice. Any vote taking place in Somaliland will no doubt be supervised by the UN but will you accept the shock and awe of most of the non-Isaaq splitting away from you or will you declare War?

[Osob101]

osob

somaliland means british somaliland and somaliland as an entity is one which means we join with somalia as one or we split with somalia as one, nothing in between our borders are recognised as legit by au and we was a country before 1/1/60 therefore if a vote was to be held in somaliland it will be one man one vote not one clan one vote isaaq is over 60% and the others have to follow us even its sound unfair

remember, clan does not mean country

Your forgetting that the British did not sign an agreement with a nation called Somaliland but rather Clans and with that in mind we can say the votes will be conducted on the basis of clans.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Osob, and who are these others I am denying?

Somaliland is supported by the majority of it's population, what stupid logic you have.

[Khalid Ali]

If regions vote a certain way than we will respect that regardless of what clan or region or district votes a certain way , you do know there is not one exclusive region for one qabil in SL . Why would we declare war on any one do you really think Siilaanyo controls the six regions of SL by force all these people voted for him there no force in SL my dear.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

niyow walanweynta badankood beenay iska soo qoraan, since when have they become spokesmen for gadabursi & harti

[Khalid Ali]

They should listen to Axmed ismaciil samatar the most unionist Somalilander ever , when he went to xamar he said there is a duopoly and if you are not hawiye or daarood you cannot get the pm or president. He said they would wave the blue flag proudly laakin hoosta na xisaab gaaray ka wataan When professor samtar went to Somalia he said i feel like a foreigner in Mogadishu

I dont think the Hawiye really cares of the hartis in SL , osob just wants discussion and showing a different perspective of Hawiye, non of the harti from Somaliland are represented in the Mogadishu government , yet they reward Fawziyaa who she her self is not certain about the union

[Cumar-Labasuul]

They should listen to Axmed ismaciil samatar the most unionist Somalilander ever , when he went to xamar he said there is a duopoly and if you are not hawiye or daarood you cannot get the pm or president. He said they would wave the blue flag proudly laakin hoosta na xisaab gaaray ka wataan When professor samtar went to Somalia he said i feel like a foreigner in Mogadishu

I dont think the Hawiye really cares of the hartis in SL , osob just wants discussion and showing a different perspective of Hawiye, non of the harti from Somaliland are represented in the Mogadishu government , yet they reward Fawziyaa who she her self is not certain about the union

waa runtaa

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Hutu

Nigga do you see isaaq's lobbying for hawiye interests? Im starting to believe xiinoow, this is too much yo!

[Kafkaesque]

Isaaq & Hawiye were massacred by darood dictator Siyad Barre & traitor Abdullahi Yusuf(ofcourse using xabashi muscle) therefor i say they have more right to share power 50% 50%, as for Darood they must only get Foreign Minister.
If that is not agreed upon then perhaps we should allow Isaaqland to be recognized. In that way Isaaqland dominates their darood servants, while Hawiyeland dominates darood.
May Allah bless both lands.


Isaaqs must never accept anything lesser than 50% 50% powersharing or recognition.

Actually, either way it would be bad. Cause if Somaliland is recognized, it's likely that SSC would stay with Somalia as part of negotiations, and say SSC is part of Somaliland, it would create perpetual conflict, and it being a region full of natural resources such as oil and minerals, it's more likely to hold sway with the international community.

Say SSC is part of Somaliland, for the rest of Somalia you'd have to deal with a solid Puntland+Jubbaland power block with BayBakool being the neutral block, and on the other side you have a weak conflict ridden Central Somalia and the Mogadishu block.

That said, why would you want the dissolution of the Somali Republic, that makes you the traitor, what an inbred.

[Khalid Ali]

Isaaq & Hawiye were massacred by darood dictator Siyad Barre & traitor Abdullahi Yusuf(ofcourse using xabashi muscle) therefor i say they have more right to share power 50% 50%, as for Darood they must only get Foreign Minister.
If that is not agreed upon then perhaps we should allow Isaaqland to be recognized. In that way Isaaqland dominates their darood servants, while Hawiyeland dominates darood.
May Allah bless both lands.


Isaaqs must never accept anything lesser than 50% 50% powersharing or recognition.

Actually, either way it would be bad. Cause if Somaliland is recognized, it's likely that SSC would stay with Somalia as part of negotiations, and say SSC is part of Somaliland, it would create perpetual conflict, and it being a region full of natural resources such as oil and minerals, it's more likely to hold sway with the international community.

Say SSC is part of Somaliland, for the rest of Somalia you'd have to deal with a solid Puntland+Jubbaland power block with BayBakool being the neutral block, and on the other side you have a weak conflict ridden Central Somalia and the Mogadishu block.

That said, why would you want the dissolution of the Somali Republic, that makes you the traitor, what an inbred.

Non of the HAG dominated government are speaking for the ssc region the ssc regions are controlled by SL and in the hands of SL and its inhabited by Somalilanders. Matter infact they dont care they want to bring back Somaliland oo dhan micna ugu ma fadhido eastern sanaag iyo eastern SOOL see you are speaking from a clanish daarood perspective . While the hawiye are not, they want the former Somali republic as it united to remain united. You on the other hand have no problem with Somaliland as long as eastern sool and eastern sanaag is given to you. remember you are Majeerteen we have cleaned you from those regions, why would we give those regions to you, so that you can form a power block against hawiye and have more political leverage, in the xamar politics. Hawiye is not dumb. He knows exactly what me and you are fighting about and what he wants. By the way there is no treacherous thing on the dissolution of the former Somali republic, the whole union came because we wanted to unite the 5 Somali inhabited countries. So if each of those 5 remains and stays independent than there is no treason at all. Unless he gives jubbaland to kenya and Puntland to Yemen than that would be seen as treacherous behavior