ONLF in S.Africa for Ogaden annual conference

[Faranacab]

My wagash queen, You are right for 500 years we were pushing and keeping the high landers beyond Awash till you lazy ass skinnies started dividing the house, opting for session and tribal jabhados. It was Makhtar Dahir who fired the first shot in 1949 when Harar and Jigjiga got invaded, since then Qori-isku dhiiib halgan has been carried out. ONLF came to born in August 15 1984. They ruled Ogadenia for four year. That was when they made Manhajka wax-barasho that they teach in all schools in Ogadenia. Godey was the capital city. People were coming back from Somalia and rest of the world. There was huge influx, and you could see Lafoole and Gaheyr teachers and professors sitting in different offices of education minister. Like wise health, agriculture, finance, justice and defense ministries were run by men of high skilled. The man who was head security and intelligence of Somalia for 23 years, was in charge of security of Ogadenia.

After realizing the man power and development that the grass roots have been making some western and Israels agents advised the juvenile TPLF to over throw ONLF regime and destroy everything they stand for. People who were in same bed with the spoilers and aggressor who again invaded Jigjiga, Harar and Diradawa were your uncles. One of them was Abdinajib Hussein, whom later would get beach slapping in Newyork UN conference from PM of Somalia, Glaydh. Your uncle was back stabbed by same TPLF who used him like condom. They didn't even treat him well during his last days. He died in misery and painful way. Till this day no body talks about his demise, let alone to bring the murder of your uncle to the court. His family used to live near National foot ball stadium in Addis. I have no idea how life ended for them, as I left the city around his last days.

Your other stooge uncle who become president of the region after ONLF was pushed to the jungle was Eid Dahir, He was most foolish wagash that has been used by the TPLF. He was more cheap than Lugbuur, Daud Amxaar and the current president, Abdi Iley. He was told to go Harar for bogus meeting, and by the time he entered Harar, he listened from Harar Radio that he was over thrown by Mahdi Ayoub, his vice president. Since that day, no body heard about your uncle's where abouts.

In 1995, one year after ONLF left the cities, it was Mahdi Ayoun who become the president. He restructured, and created the pillars of the current regional government. He made deal with various clans in the region, and he personally visited each village of the old 48 districts, now I guess there are above 68 districts. Mahdi is still master mind of the regional politics. Every president that came to power consults with him, and fellows his advice. He has respect from both sides of the fence. He never took security guards when he was president, a reason why the TPLF suspect him that he is an ONLF. He was made under house arrest for a while but recently he was released.

After wards, many things happened. Liyu whom are funded by UK government came to alive, they crushed your tribe men. Closed the border and become killing machine like Alshabab sparing no one.

All put in short, your origin was from the highland. The four habros were all from Habesha highlanders. Still your great maternal relatives live in and outside Ogaden. Some of your paternal relatives live in Du'lad, Sheekha & Harshin. They are mostly the residual refugees who crossed the border in 1982. Others live in Aware, Gaashamo. These are mostly camel herders and they are more Ogaden in culture than Wagash.

For tonight, we'll stop dariska here, get some fresh air and bring me Koob dhay geel ah.

[Even123]

^^^^Faranacab nice info output!

I've a question for you about the mediated talks between ONLF and Ethiopia's TPLF in Kenya, what kind of outcome do you expect will come out from this mediated talks???,.... do think ONLF will get a autonomy or independence?

[Ismail87]

^ Good question.

Awoowe Faranacab, how realistic is all this independence talks?
Do you think the Ethiopians are willing to/capable of meeting what we put forth?
Lastly, what exactly are we bringing to the table? (Apart from the obvious of course)

[KartiHaween]

Lol love my problems arë already solved my families live in peace. What happens elsewhere is not my business. But i was jüşt giving a suggestion.

i'll tell u this though, ogadeens are backstabbers anđ i cant believe many ppl died for these trash in 77. Its better for them to bë under occupation.
somalia is a mess yes, but it's a fact ogadeens in somalia's system will only make things worse.

You say what happens elsewhere is none of your business and yet, you never hesitate to make it your business. Stupid low IQ qaldaan. Ogaden system? and what system is that?. And it is better for your kind to remain in that desert triangle whilest they continue to rape each other or go insane which they already are. As for your people living in peace, that is false. Your people are the ones who are doing tahrib daily and dying in the sea or your women and girls raped in fuck street and whatever street in that concrete refugee look alike you call hargeysa, and if they are not doing that, they are running to mogadisho. What is worse, is that, edyoor are selling their organs and their children in addis abab,a because some maniac promises to take them to the west. The only peace your filthy clan has is in your delusional minds, and the only trash are your hateful men, and women who are sold like cattle in the streets of Ethiopia. I cannot believe that you sick minded fucks are actually part of Somalia or share ethnicity with us. Your clan have been the biggest backstabbers during the British/Italian colony in the past and still are with your constants threats of succession. It was your clan who helped to destroy Somalia while mine fought for Somalias independence from your masters whom you eydoors worship today and call, your forefathers. Ogaden will make a shitty Somalia worse? and you are a God who sees into the future miyaa? Nacalaa qaldamadaatahay was. If your stupid theory were true, then it would have been true in the past, and today, where the only region Ogaden controls in Somalia is the most peaceful, most importantly, for women and children. Now compare that to your triangle, where women and girls not to mention little boys are not safe walking in their own streets.

[Even123]

Lol love my problems arë already solved my families live in peace. What happens elsewhere is not my business. But i was jüşt giving a suggestion.

i'll tell u this though, ogadeens are backstabbers anđ i cant believe many ppl died for these trash in 77. Its better for them to bë under occupation.
somalia is a mess yes, but it's a fact ogadeens in somalia's system will only make things worse.

You say what happens elsewhere is none of your business and yet, you never hesitate to make it your business. Stupid low IQ qaldaan. Ogaden system? and what system is that?. And it is better for your kind to remain in that desert triangle whilest they continue to rape each other or go insane which they already are. As for your people living in peace, that is false. Your people are the ones who are doing tahrib daily and dying in the sea or your women and girls raped in fuck street and whatever street in that concrete refugee look alike you call hargeysa, and if they are not doing that, they are running to mogadisho. What is worse, is that, edyoor are selling their organs and their children in addis abab,a because some maniac promises to take them to the west. The only peace your filthy clan has is in your delusional minds, and the only trash are your hateful men, and women who are sold like cattle in the streets of Ethiopia. I cannot believe that you sick minded fucks are actually part of Somalia or share ethnicity with us. Your clan have been the biggest backstabbers during the British/Italian colony in the past and still are with your constants threats of succession. It was your clan who helped to destroy Somalia while mine fought for Somalias independence from your masters whom you eydoors worship today and call, your forefathers. Ogaden will make a shitty Somalia worse? and you are a God who sees into the future miyaa? Nacalaa qaldamadaatahay was. If your stupid theory were true, then it would have been true in the past, and today, where the only region Ogaden controls in Somalia is the most peaceful, most importantly, for women and children. Now compare that to your triangle, where women and girls not to mention little boys are not safe walking in their own streets.

[KartiHaween]

My wagash queen, You are right for 500 years we were pushing and keeping the high landers beyond Awash till you lazy ass skinnies started dividing the house, opting for session and tribal jabhados. It was Makhtar Dahir who fired the first shot in 1949 when Harar and Jigjiga got invaded, since then Qori-isku dhiiib halgan has been carried out. ONLF came to born in August 15 1984. They ruled Ogadenia for four year. That was when they made Manhajka wax-barasho that they teach in all schools in Ogadenia. Godey was the capital city. People were coming back from Somalia and rest of the world. There was huge influx, and you could see Lafoole and Gaheyr teachers and professors sitting in different offices of education minister. Like wise health, agriculture, finance, justice and defense ministries were run by men of high skilled. The man who was head security and intelligence of Somalia for 23 years, was in charge of security of Ogadenia.

After realizing the man power and development that the grass roots have been making some western and Israels agents advised the juvenile TPLF to over throw ONLF regime and destroy everything they stand for. People who were in same bed with the spoilers and aggressor who again invaded Jigjiga, Harar and Diradawa were your uncles. One of them was Abdinajib Hussein, whom later would get beach slapping in Newyork UN conference from PM of Somalia, Glaydh. Your uncle was back stabbed by same TPLF who used him like condom. They didn't even treat him well during his last days. He died in misery and painful way. Till this day no body talks about his demise, let alone to bring the murder of your uncle to the court. His family used to live near National foot ball stadium in Addis. I have no idea how life ended for them, as I left the city around his last days.

Your other stooge uncle who become president of the region after ONLF was pushed to the jungle was Eid Dahir, He was most foolish wagash that has been used by the TPLF. He was more cheap than Lugbuur, Daud Amxaar and the current president, Abdi Iley. He was told to go Harar for bogus meeting, and by the time he entered Harar, he listened from Harar Radio that he was over thrown by Mahdi Ayoub, his vice president. Since that day, no body heard about your uncle's where abouts.

In 1995, one year after ONLF left the cities, it was Mahdi Ayoun who become the president. He restructured, and created the pillars of the current regional government. He made deal with various clans in the region, and he personally visited each village of the old 48 districts, now I guess there are above 68 districts. Mahdi is still master mind of the regional politics. Every president that came to power consults with him, and fellows his advice. He has respect from both sides of the fence. He never took security guards when he was president, a reason why the TPLF suspect him that he is an ONLF. He was made under house arrest for a while but recently he was released.

After wards, many things happened. Liyu whom are funded by UK government came to alive, they crushed your tribe men. Closed the border and become killing machine like Alshabab sparing no one.

All put in short, your origin was from the highland. The four habros were all from Habesha highlanders. Still your great maternal relatives live in and outside Ogaden. Some of your paternal relatives live in Du'lad, Sheekha & Harshin. They are mostly the residual refugees who crossed the border in 1982. Others live in Aware, Gaashamo. These are mostly camel herders and they are more Ogaden in culture than Wagash.

For tonight, we'll stop dariska here, get some fresh air and bring me Koob dhay geel ah.

bravo for giving a history lesson to this retarded qaldan.

[Kabriid]

@Farancab

Makhtaal Dahir was a historical ally to the Ethiopians in that region. They welcomed him in Harar in 1946 because they thought they could use him together with other Ogaden clan chiefs as a way to return Ethiopian rule because clans like Geri, Akisho and Isaaq were pro British rule and when the British colonialists started their disarmament campaign in that region, Makhtal went to the Ethiopians and complained despite the fact they didnt have the power to do anything about it. He was anti British because he thought they were empowering rival clans mainly the Habar Awal who dominated the trade in Jijiga. It was in 1947, around the time SYL opened their first office in the region when he became anti Ethiopia and supported the notion of uniting the Ogaden and the reserve area with ex Somalia Italiana under UN trusteeship. However the clan dynamics in that region was too complex, most of the Ogaden or Absame clans supported Ethiopian rule while the Habar Awal and other Isaaq sub clans, Gadubiirsi, Akisho who also lived on the other side of the border in the British protectorate was pro British rule. It was a matter of survival. When the Ethiopians returned they closed every SYL office, they jailed supporters which led to the creation of Makhtaals armed movement but he had no support from his clan because they were happy with the status quo that meant they would take over and dominate the trade in Jigjiga as long as they were allied to the Ethiopians.

You can point out Isaaq dabadhilifs in recent times but that won't change the fact that ONLF is a useless organization created in 1984 with a clan agenda. The people who created the movement were once part of WSLF who use to persecute non Daarood clans in Galbeed and Hawd after the 77-78 war and to this day their clan agenda still remains.

@KartiHaween

Somaliland a desert triangle? Secondly how can you deny the democratization process and the peace and stability in Somaliland? Rape and the misfortune of Somali women won't prove your point, welibana adigoo gabadh ah ayaad waxaa soo qoreysaa. How did Isaaq backstab other Somalis during- and after colonialism? I wouldn't call it seccesionism but seperation between Somaliland and Somalia and let me ask you this, how is it a threat to other Somalis and Somalia as a nation? Your clan fought for Somalias independence? If you're talking about the dervish movement I wouldn't call it a nationalist movement because there was never a Somali state before colonialism so what country were they trying to liberate?


@Hodan

Your Faarax Cabdile subclan lives in the Somali region of Ethiopia markaa hadii aadan wanaag ku soo kordhineyn iska aamus. The Somalis in that region have every right to decide their future just like reer Somaliland. So to pray for their demize and calamity is just preposterous.

[Even123]

@Farancab

Makhtaal Dahir was a historical ally to the Ethiopians in that region. They welcomed him in Harar in 1946 because they thought they could use him together with other Ogaden clan chiefs as a way to return Ethiopian rule because clans like Geri, Akisho and Isaaq were pro British rule and when the British colonialists started their disarmament campaign in that region, Makhtal went to the Ethiopians and complained despite the fact they didnt have the power to do anything about it. He was anti British because he thought they were empowering rival clans mainly the Habar Awal who dominated the trade in Jijiga. It was in 1947, around the time SYL opened their first office in the region when he became anti Ethiopia and supported the notion of uniting the Ogaden and the reserve area with ex Somalia Italiana under UN trusteeship. However the clan dynamics in that region was too complex, most of the Ogaden or Absame clans supported Ethiopian rule while the Habar Awal and other Isaaq sub clans, Gadubiirsi, Akisho who also lived on the other side of the border in the British protectorate was pro British rule. It was a matter of survival. When the Ethiopians returned they closed every SYL office, they jailed supporters which led to the creation of Makhtaals armed movement but he had no support from his clan because they were happy with the status quo that meant they would take over and dominate the trade in Jigjiga as long as they were allied to the Ethiopians.

You can point out Isaaq dabadhilifs in recent times but that won't change the fact that ONLF is a useless organization created in 1984 with a clan agenda. The people who created the movement were once part of WSLF who use to persecute non Daarood clans in Galbeed and Hawd after the 77-78 war and to this day their clan agenda still remains.

@KartiHaween

Somaliland a desert triangle? Secondly how can you deny the democratization process and the peace and stability in Somaliland? Rape and the misfortune of Somali women won't prove your point, welibana adigoo gabadh ah ayaad waxaa soo qoreysaa. How did Isaaq backstab other Somalis during- and after colonialism? I wouldn't call it seccesionism but seperation between Somaliland and Somalia and let me ask you this, how is it a threat to other Somalis and Somalia as a nation? Your clan fought for Somalias independence? If you're talking about the dervish movement I wouldn't call it a nationalist movement because there was never a Somali state before colonialism so what country were they trying to liberate?


@Hodan

Your Faarax Cabdile subclan lives in the Somali region of Ethiopia markaa hadii aadan wanaag ku soo kordhineyn iska aamus. The Somalis in that region have every right to decide their future just like reer Somaliland. So to pray for their demize and calamity is just preposterous.

TROLL ALERT

[Kabriid]

Even123 aka Individual

I don't troll. Unlike you nolosha kamaan dhicin. If you disagree with the facts then disprove it.

[samatar133]

Farnacaab
I have nothing against the self determination of your clan, the Ogaden, to liberate themselves from Xabashi occupation, after all you are Somali, I will always support you against any other foreigner but please do take us for fools and claim to be fighting for a Somali cause when you and I know perfectly you are fighting for a clan cause.

Takale, there is really a curious case about the ONLF and their real agenda. Waxaan ku waydiiyay, why does it always happen that ONLF conveniently allies itself with the TPLF when ever Ethiopia is weak or feels threatened? We know that ONLF was an ally of the TPLF between 1991 and 1995. Given that this period Ethiopia was weak and TPLF's main goal was to consolidate power and in the process gave away Eritrea, logic would dictate that ONLF or any genuine liberation front would have taken advantage of this weakness and demanded a timeline for an independence referendum as the EPLF did, but surprisingly no, ONLF was in bed with the TPLF!!!

But let me give the ONLF the benefit of the doubt and take their word that they were in fact duped by the TPLF and given false grantees in the constitution and discard after 1995 when Ethiopia got stronger, then you would expect they had learned their lesson and they would never trust the Ethiopian regime again. But you are wrong, here is the story that makes the long held suspicion that the leadership of ONLF actually collaborates with Ethiopia more probable. During the Eritrea- Ethiopian war between 1998 and 2000, another challenging period for the Ethiopian regime, ONLF conveniently entered an agreement with Ethiopia and not only did they stop fighting but they also started to recruit Somali kids for the Ethiopian army to fight Eritrea . An ONLF guy called Maxamed Macalin Cali was the president of the Somali region in that period.


And again when Meles Zenawi suddenly died last year and the Tigrean elites felt bit unstable they rushed to enter a peace agreement with the ONLF in Nairobi which ONLF again conveniently accepted for a cease fire before the next round of talks after which Ethiopian elites solved their problem and felt secure and the talks conveniently collapsed!!!

[EEGA9]

ONLF has never been in bed with TPLF. Between 1992-1994 when ONLF was elected into office, the TPLF knew the intentions of the ONLF and it was public(Self-determination as guaranteed by the constitution). They constantly harassed officials,arrested officials illegally, denied them budgets&aid,blocked trade routes, assassinated officials and kept the region in constant turmoil. ONLF withstood this to try and get a result similar to Eritrea peacefully but the TPLF was unchallenged and had the backing of Eritrea itself at the time, high on their new found power they were swiftly putting away any challenging group across the country.ONLF called for a referendum in 1994 and parliament passed the resolution but rejected by the TPLF who proceeded to now wipe ONLF out. The final straw for ONLF came when they tried to assassinate the ONLF chairman SH.Abdalla at a public gathering in Wardheer, the public defended him with 80+ people dead. ONLF was now gathering in the bush( for the first time as it was largely a political front before) and the stage was set for the current conflict.

Khadar Macalin Ali was not ONLF , 1998 was when ONLF began to intesify its conflict and elected Admiral Maxamed Cumar Cismaan to the helm. Khadar Macalin Ali was a scum-bag TPLF lackey, in every region the military was forcefully recruiting young boys to fight in Eritrea.Khadar macalin in 1995 was among a group which Ethiopia put together to discredit ONLF by manufacturing a new ONLF wing called ONLFt gudaha, this wasn't successful and it was soon disbanded after some of its members defected and blasted it as a fake front used as propaganda against the authentic ONLF.The Ethiopians still use this tactic by saying we have made peace with this wing and that when in fact its never genuine ONLF. During the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict was when ONLF and Eritrea hit it off as partners against Ethiopia.

The talks last year were started while Zenawi was alive and he was supposed to be an important part of it because he personally said he wanted to settle with ONLF. His death shocked the TPLF so they had no direction in-terms of the talks, they were unprepared and the mediators themselves were not pleased with their conduct. There was no ceasefire( never has been) and in-fact it was Ethiopia which capitulated to ONLF demands to hold talks in a neutral venue hosted by a third party. The talks are not over though and will start again soon, a good change from the constant armed conflict at-least other avenues are been explored.

[luis1]

ONLF was now gathering in the bush( for the first time as it was largely a political front before) and the stage was set for the current conflict.

You are saying ONLF did not fight against Menguistu?

Just help me to solve that doubt.

[Faranacab]

Samatar, and Kabriid,

The history of the movemnets of Dervish, Nasrullah, WSLF, and ONLF are in libraries. If you ask any historian, even our enemy, he will tell you a universal fact that all these movements had same vision. Their objective tailored up one cleaning the Somali soil from invaders. Even if ONLF doesn't succeed, another one will take the lead. It's a doctrine that is cemented with blood and soul. So I don't understand where you guys are coming from, when you make the emotionally filled tribal opinions about the century long noble movements.

That said, if you chose to remain blind and hateful to the truth regarding the battle for the noble Somali soil, and make allies with deceive, lies, distortion and evil, then I've no right or time to force you more than you can chew.

Somalis mistrust, hate each other, and it is a simple fact that when your tribe man leads, you flow and defend, and when other tribe man leads you disappear or hyphenate till another son of your kin takes the lead. I remember in time of Eid Dahir Kaahin and Abdinajiib Hussein, your folks used to make much noise when it comes to Ogadenia claiming that your kinsmen are majority inhabitants.
Contrary to that you get Hodan and other weird fellas, who believe there is no single Idoor soul living under occupation. But to my surprise both groups have something in common, i.e being happy in the current statue, and they are proud to behave like a sell out.

I could have go in length about recent changes, and educate you the demographic changes that is happening in cities, towns and villages that your tribes reside. But I barely get time to forum. However, for today, take this message to home, and remind your self that Somali cities like Diridewa, Nageyle, Hawash, and Moyale are gone, and they need Somalis youth like to represent them in all fronts, specially in the battle against land grasping policy of the aggressor invaders. ONLF is the only Gaashan, that Somalis has. The sooner you understand, the faster those cities will be in the hands of your tribal allies like Issa, Hawiye Oromo of Filto and the rest pro Iley jaabo-jaabo.

Ismail, & Event,

Ilma adeerow I think Egga is the right man to ask, as I barely flow the so called talks. Personally I expect no fruits from talks with Agame. They are known for breaking promises, and the only thing which will bring them down to their knees is bullets through their orbitals.

[luis1]

Dervishes,Nasrrullah and WSLF all were defeated by Ethiopia and allies.

ONLF did not fight against Derg.ONLF is the only guerrilla alive, the rest are just part of the history.

[Faranacab]

Luis, you get more to learn, Dervish was too strong to be defeated by Ethios. Same goes to Nasrullal which later became OLF, and then WSLF and now currently the mighty ONLF who control 85% of Ogadenia.

You either a bad student of history, or stony head.