Breaking News: Both sides call for peace in SH. Hoose

[BlackVelvet]

SomaliT actually Hawiya was the first ever qabiil mentioned to be living in that area and that was 10/1100, there is nothing to suggest that they weren't there even before then.

Ref: Al Idrisi


Meyle, some HG even live in Jamame and Jilib, why wouldn't they be in Merka? Yes there were mass migrations in the past few decades that have increased this number but what I was referring to were the ones who were there from the beginning. Not all qabiils live in just one or two tulos.

[AbdiWahab252]

Jasmine

HG are natives. The only way we will leave is by force even if we need to.create new Ajuuraans in the process.

[BlackVelvet]

AW the time for fighting is over, the naughty culprits will have to say sorry and play nice.

[Somali-Transporter]

SomaliT actually Hawiya was the first ever qabiil mentioned to be living in that area and that was 10/1100, there is nothing to suggest that they weren't there even before then.

Ref: Al Idrisi


Meyle, some HG even live in Jamame and Jilib, why wouldn't they be in Merka? Yes there were mass migrations in the past few decades that have increased this number but what I was referring to were the ones who were there from the beginning. Not all qabiils live in just one or two tulos.

J.. there are no traces of any kind of samaale/berberians in south somalia historically before 10century.. the only traces there is are Sawahili, persians, Oromo and Yibir/jews.. but on the other side you will find traces of samaales in the northern part of somalia, ethiopia(Irir river) and Djiibouti.

After the fall of the Ajuuraan, there was a time of civil war even bigger then the one we have today. the empire split in to many different principalities who were under ajuuraan.

Hiiraab Imamate took mogadishu, sh, dhexe all the way to hobyo and galmudug, ximan iyo xeeb + galgaduud the cayr side. you have Geledi who have assimilated into Digil iyo mirifle but originally are a Quryash tribe from Arabia. took control of Afgooye in Sh. Hoose allied with Murusade&wacdhan. if you go little bit south(marka&barawe) you have the Biyomal kingdom who was really fucked up back then and in Bardhere you have a sultanate maybe Marehan who also split away and in Hiiraan you have Xawaadle sultanate from C/Y branch..

the Geledi's who have assimilated for politically reasons had the support of the may may..

At the end of the 17th century, the Ajuuraan Sultanate was on its decline, and various vassals were now breaking free or being absorbed by new Somali powers. One of these powers was the Silci Kingdom, which began consolidating its rule over the Afgooye region. Ibrahim Adeer led the revolt against the Silci ruler Umar Abroone and his oppressive daughter, Princess Fay.[1] After his victory over the Silcis, Ibrahim then proclaimed himself Sultan and subsequently started the Gobroon Dynasty.
Ibrahim and the other Gobroon nobles were descended from Cumar Diine, an early Muslim leader who had arrived with four of his brothers from the Arabian peninsula.

Biyomaal was in the italian era mode even in that time.. The geledis had wars with several principalities they have defeated the Bardheere principality who was known as Khawarij at that time and had wars with the Zanzibaris who were allied with Biyomaal. thats why you have Reer barawe today.

but later on defeated by Biyomaal who even killed the young king of the geledis who was the 4th king and the 4th son of the man who started the geledi sultanate Ibrahim Adeer..

# Sultan Reign Notes
1 Ibrahim Adeer late 17th century–mid 18th century Established the Geledi sultanate in the late 17th century. First ruler in the Gobroon Dynasty.
2 Mahamud Ibrahim mid 18th century–1798 Inherited throne from father. Bequeathed it to son.
3 Yusuf Mahamud Ibrahim 1798–1848 Rule marked the start of the golden age of the Geledis.
4 Ahmed Yusuf 1848–1878 Exacted tribute from the Omanis south of Lamu. Regularly extended support to East African sultanates fighting the Zanzibaris.
5 Osman Ahmed 1878–late 19th century Inherited throne from father. Reign marked the beginning of the decline of the Geledi sultanate.

Ahmed Yusuf (Somali: Ahmed Yuusuf, Arabic: أحمد يوسف‎) was a Somali ruler. He was the fourth Sultan of the Geledi sultanate, reigning from 1848 to 1878

Yusuf was born in the town of Afgooye, where he stayed until the age of seven. His father subsequently sent him to Qur'anic schools in Barawa for studies.
Through his military dominance, Sultan Yusuf managed to exact tribute from the Omanis south of Lamu, and regularly extended his support to East African sultanates fighting the Zanzibaris.
He and his brother, Abukar Yusuf, were eventually defeated in the Battle of Cagaraan against the powerful military clan of the Bimal. Their bodies were taken to Merca by the Bimal sultan, where they were then displayed in front of a large crowd as a show of triumph. Upon seeing the bodies of the dead men, the women of the Bimal reportedly marvelled at the beauty of Ahmed Yusuf, which resulted in a public uproar with women demanding a proper funeral for the late Sultan.[1]
The Istunka tournament was developed in the Ajuuraan period, and was celebrated subsequently each year during the Somali new year alongside other festivals such as Nowruz. It was not until the Geledi sultanate and the reign of Sultan Ahmed Yusuf that the martial art festival became a centralized tournament with separate teams each supported by an assembly of poets, female vocalists and dance groups throughout the duration of the contest.

[BlackVelvet]

Thanks for sharing, this history is very interesting, it should be taught in schools.

Do you have any books or links about the region that far back in the 10th century or so, I'd love to read up on it.



Also our forefathers haddi ey wax qori laheyn lee

[Meyle]

The only Somalis living in Shabeellada hoose prior to the 9th century were pre Hawiye clans like Garre who's a coalition of two clans. Tuuf descendant of Gaardheere Samaale while Quranyow (the nephew of Tuuf) is the descendant of Maxamed Xiniftire (the son of Mahe Dir) making him the brother of Biyamaal. Both of these clans are incorporated into the Digil clan since the time of Geledi sultanate.

I don't see how pre Hawiye clans living in this region before anyone else would justify HG claims.

Jamaame is another Biyamaal stronghold and living in that land doesn't mean you're the original owner of the land.

MSB failed with his plans for Hargeysa, Burco and Beledweyne etc. I don't see how a clan militia sent by clan Imaams would succeed where MSB failed.

[BlackVelvet]

Meyle what exactly is HG's claim?


ps Jamame is a predominantly Sheikhaal region with a bunch of other qabiils including HG living there in numbers.

[GIJaamac]

Jasmine

somali clan demographics is not your thing. Jamaame is majority Biimaal district with other minority qabiils.

Meyle

Why are you so interested what's happening in other country. Can't help to hide you dirty waqooyinimo eh ?

[Meyle]

Jamaame is predominantly Biyamaal and have always been, if you would've said Jilib I would believe you and even in Jilib, Gaaljecel and Biyamaal have strong presence.


HG is claiming that they're a native clan to Shabeellada hoose as an attempt to legitimize the land grabbing and I'm not talking about the HG that came to the region during the 50's.


Xiinow


I'm against bullshit. If people weren't spreading lies I wouldn't care.

[GIJaamac]

DIRTY WAQOOYI

What bullshit and lies ?

ps. Jilib is Shiiqaal, HG/ Saleebaan and bantu district, everyone else is marti.

[Meyle]

Claiming other peoples land and coming with lame excuses.

[BlackVelvet]

There are some HG who have are natives of the region.

The ones who currently own the very large farms took them after they got rid of the dictator. These were nationalised farms and at that specific moment in time they didn't belong to anyone now if you say MSB took them from the locals in the first place so technically it belongs to those who were there pre MSB then fair enough (you should realise some of these people were still HG). So they will fight over the land as has been done through the ages and the victor will take the spoils, again.

However no HG claimed that Sh.Hoose should be governed by HG because they are natives of the land (some of them are but not all, I'm not). So to take a fight over land between two groups and extrapolate to include ALL HG is inflammatory. Bring me a HG who claims that ALL HG are Sh.Hoose natives. (HutuKing and AW excluded, labadaas mays ku hubi)



ps I meant Jilib I confuse the two.

[Fall]

There are some HG who have are natives of the region.

The ones who currently own the very large farms took them after they got rid of the dictator. These were nationalised farms and at that specific moment in time they didn't belong to anyone now if you say MSB took them from the locals in the first place so technically it belongs to those who were there pre MSB then fair enough (you should realise some of these people were still HG). So they will fight over the land as has been done through the ages and the victor will take the spoils, again.

According to 'Fighting for the Plenty: The Banana Trade in Southern Somalia' by Christian Webersik the farms were owned by Marehan and Dhulbahante families that received them through ministry connections.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

DIRTY WAQOOYI

What bullshit and lies ?

ps. Jilib is Shiiqaal, HG/ Saleebaan and bantu district, everyone else is marti.

Hiiraab settlement

[Meyle]

MSB nationalized the land but later the ownership of the land was stolen by people who had connections to his regime.



To answer your question.. The different news sites, the so called clan Imaams etc. If they didn't claim the entire region there wouldn't be any problem in the first place. Why are the other native clans in Shabeellada hoose like Digil and Wacdaan opposing HG?

The inter riverine people are known for their hospitality and they wouldn't react like they've done if they didn't face problems. These are the same people that welcomed everyone to their land only to be stomped by the same people they took in. Both in Shabeellada Hoose and in Jubboyinka.