Real Unionists (not fake tribalists) come in!!

[XimanJaale]

I never denied that Abdullahi Yusuf was a Ethiopian stooge since the 1970's until the time of his death, he was the same man that brought Ethiopian forces to Balanbale and Goldogob.

I really don't care if there are Daarood that are Ethiopian lacky's. I'm sure there are plenty of them. I don't have time for your qabil is the most lacky's battle. I already mentioned before that there are many groups and individuals that are under direct control of Ethiopia such as Somaliland, Puntland, Jubaland, SW6 and individual politicians that bring disunity and disruption in the Somali peace process. However Somaliland and Puntland are the only entities that Ethiopia have solid control over since other entities in South-Central Somalia are not stable and that there are many groups there that oppose each other and that do not have complete control of the areas. For example the puppet administration of Jubba backed by Ethiopia only control Kismaayo and do not control all the other regions they want. Therefore Ethiopia has the power on Kismaayo only and not the rest of Jubbaland and same goes for the SW6 project etc. Ethiopia only has political involvement in South-Central Somalia. The only reason why Ethiopia is backing these individuals (such as an MP's, minister etc) or groups (such as Somaliland, Puntland etc)is to divide and conquer the country in order to over-power and prevent Somalia from having a political stability and strong government.

I already commented that Somalis can only be in dignity, peace and prosperity the day they start trusting each other and stop being used as tools against each other by the Ethiopian woyane regime.

[saacJabshee]

I find it difficult to believe Ethiopia fears any somali qabil or mamul. As we have seen countless of times Ethiopia can come into somalia with their army. So the mamuls that haven't had any visits from ethiopia is simply because they are accepting all ethiopia demands whether its handing people over or accepting negotiations rivals mamuls or using their ports whilst paying peanuts and many more.I don't blame them because once the Ethios role in with their tanks every little achievement will destroyed, refugee camps will pop up left and right and center, and the mamul in charge will be dissolved and a civil war probably follow, more qaax. There is nothing wrong with knowing your weakness and strengths, you shouldn't challenge such a force. Ethiopia today is in such a position that somali leaders either fly to addis and accept all demands or they'll (ethios) turn up to the mamul's in question's capital. So whenever you see ethiopian military presence is because that area and their leaders aren't cooperating. Meesha bar baryo ma jirto!!.

[Khalid Ali]

I find it difficult to believe Ethiopia fears any somali qabil or mamul. As we have seen countless of times Ethiopia can come into somalia with their army. So the mamuls that haven't had any visits from ethiopia is simply because they are accepting all ethiopia demands whether its handing people over or accepting negotiations rivals mamuls or using their ports whilst paying peanuts and many more.I don't blame them because once the Ethios role in with their tanks every little achievement will destroyed, refugee camps will pop up left and right and center, and the mamul in charge will be dissolved and a civil war probably follow, more qaax. There is nothing wrong with knowing your weakness and strengths, you shouldn't challenge such a force. Ethiopia today is in such a position that somali leaders either fly to addis and accept all demands or they'll (ethios) turn up to the mamul's in question's capital. So whenever you see ethiopian military presence is because that area and their leaders aren't cooperating. Meesha bar baryo ma jirto!!.

Fully cooperating are you saying ASWJ in central regions and The Ethiopians in hiiraan and bay and bakool the elders and governors administrators are not welcoming they are fully cooperating with them the same way reer Kismayo are cooperating with the Kenyans.

[Khalid Ali]

I never denied that Abdullahi Yusuf was a Ethiopian stooge since the 1970's until the time of his death, he was the same man that brought Ethiopian forces to Balanbale and Goldogob.

I really don't care if there are Daarood that are Ethiopian lacky's. I'm sure there are plenty of them. I don't have time for your qabil is the most lacky's battle. I already mentioned before that there are many groups and individuals that are under direct control of Ethiopia such as Somaliland, Puntland, Jubaland, SW6 and individual politicians that bring disunity and disruption in the Somali peace process. However Somaliland and Puntland are the only entities that Ethiopia have solid control over since other entities in South-Central Somalia are not stable and that there are many groups there that oppose each other and that do not have complete control of the areas. For example the puppet administration of Jubba backed by Ethiopia only control Kismaayo and do not control all the other regions they want. Therefore Ethiopia has the power on Kismaayo only and not the rest of Jubbaland and same goes for the SW6 project etc. Ethiopia only has political involvement in South-Central Somalia. The only reason why Ethiopia is backing these individuals (such as an MP's, minister etc) or groups (such as Somaliland, Puntland etc)is to divide and conquer the country in order to over-power and prevent Somalia from having a political stability and strong government.

I already commented that Somalis can only be in dignity, peace and prosperity the day they start trusting each other and stop being used as tools against each other by the Ethiopian woyane regime.

Ma miirsatay hahaha,, accepting that darood is used by Ethiopia and abused and discarded you accepted your Humiliation i am done mission accomplished

[saacJabshee]

Something must have happened for them to roll in, maybe their leaders were listening to Mogadisho and ethiopia just rolled in. I think I read some opposition to ethiopia occupation of Hiiraan.

[XimanJaale]

I find it difficult to believe Ethiopia fears any somali qabil or mamul. As we have seen countless of times Ethiopia can come into somalia with their army. So the mamuls that haven't had any visits from ethiopia is simply because they are accepting all ethiopia demands whether its handing people over or accepting negotiations rivals mamuls or using their ports whilst paying peanuts and many more.I don't blame them because once the Ethios role in with their tanks every little achievement will destroyed, refugee camps will pop up left and right and center, and the mamul in charge will be dissolved and a civil war probably follow, more qaax. There is nothing wrong with knowing your weakness and strengths, you shouldn't challenge such a force. Ethiopia today is in such a position that somali leaders either fly to addis and accept all demands or they'll (ethios) turn up to the mamul's in question's capital. So whenever you see ethiopian military presence is because that area and their leaders aren't cooperating. Meesha bar baryo ma jirto!!.

Fully cooperating are you saying ASWJ in central regions and The Ethiopians in hiiraan and bay and bakool the elders and governors administrators are not welcoming they are fully cooperating with them the same way reer Kismayo are cooperating with the Kenyans.

Erm not so long ago the authority in Dhuusomareeb stopped some delegates to arrive in the airport and the Ethiopian army crossed the border took control of Dhuusomareeb airstrip and allowed the delegates to arrive. Go search for it on the internet.

There is no denying that certain entities are co-operating with Ethiopia let it be ASWJ, Jubbaland, SW6, Galmudug, Puntland or Somaliland. However some co-operations are different, some extreme and some with difficulties.

[XimanJaale]

Ma miirsatay hahaha,, accepting that darood is used by Ethiopia and abused and discarded you accepted your Humiliation i am done mission accomplished

Ethiopia abused and discarded all Somalis regardless of their clan. I never denied this you scumbag.

However the only thing I'm trying to explain is that some entities have higher degree of Ethiopian involvement.

[saacJabshee]

I find it difficult to believe Ethiopia fears any somali qabil or mamul. As we have seen countless of times Ethiopia can come into somalia with their army. So the mamuls that haven't had any visits from ethiopia is simply because they are accepting all ethiopia demands whether its handing people over or accepting negotiations rivals mamuls or using their ports whilst paying peanuts and many more.I don't blame them because once the Ethios role in with their tanks every little achievement will destroyed, refugee camps will pop up left and right and center, and the mamul in charge will be dissolved and a civil war probably follow, more qaax. There is nothing wrong with knowing your weakness and strengths, you shouldn't challenge such a force. Ethiopia today is in such a position that somali leaders either fly to addis and accept all demands or they'll (ethios) turn up to the mamul's in question's capital. So whenever you see ethiopian military presence is because that area and their leaders aren't cooperating. Meesha bar baryo ma jirto!!.

Fully cooperating are you saying ASWJ in central regions and The Ethiopians in hiiraan and bay and bakool the elders and governors administrators are not welcoming they are fully cooperating with them the same way reer Kismayo are cooperating with the Kenyans.

Erm not so long ago the authority in Dhuusomareeb stopped some delegates to arrive in the airport and the Ethiopian army crossed the border took control of Dhuusomareeb airstrip and allowed the delegates to arrive. Go search for it on the internet.

There is no denying that certain entities are co-operating with Ethiopia let it be ASWJ, Jubbaland, SW6, Galmudug, Puntland or Somaliland. However some co-operations are different, some extreme and some with difficulties.

Couldn't agree more

[dayax123]

Why Ethiopia wants to devide Somalia? Why ethiopia wants a weak somali government in place? The answer is that Ethiopia has a fear that Strong somalia will claim Ogaden. Kenaya got also the same fear. We somalis need to live peacefully with the neighboring countries. We should end the Pan-Somalism idealogy. We should revise our consitituion and re difine who is Somali citizen? Currently we are claiming that even ethnic somalis in neighboring countries are somali citizens? Let somali citizens be Somalis in Somali republic only including northern regions and excluding from the ethnic somalis in Kenya, Ethiopa and Djibout ( Unless they take somali citizen through naturalisation Process) lets be modern country that reconizes international borders and respects the other countries.

In this current provisional constitution this has been changed.

Also why the fuck should pan-Somalism ideology be put to an end? pan-Somalism doesn't necessarily mean that all the Somali regions will join together. Ethiopia has a number of reasons why they fear a strong Somalia and the Ogaden region is a small factor.


Main reasons:

Geo-political= They fear that Somalia will takeover the sub-continental or even continental leadership
Economy= They fear that Somalia will be a economic superpower
Military= They fear that Somalia can divide Ethiopia through their military might.

Ethiopia is a ethnic diverse country and their leaders fear that the country will break into pieces if Somalia becomes strong. A strong Somalia means a stronger Somali region of Ethiopia.

Imagine if the Somali region of Ethiopia becomes the most wealthiest part of Ethiopia, that means Somalis will dominate Ethiopia and even takeover the leadership of the whole country! Somalia will give money, development and political power to the Somali region. The Somali region of Ethiopia doesn't necessarily need to secede to become powerful they can take over the whole of Ethiopia!!! Same goes for NFD!!! Basically Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti will be Somali dominated countries!!!!

Ximan Jaale Somali citizenship is not yet defined in the current provisional constitution. But this provisional constitution refers to 1962 constitution. As we know, the 1962 cosntition entitles automatic citizenship to every Ethnic somali and violates the territoreial integrity of Kenya and Ethiopia. We should put to an end the Pan-Somalism idiology. World sees us that we are threat to the neighboring countires. Why we Somalis in Somali republic runing after Pan-Somalism but not Djibouti, Somalis in NFD and Somalis in Ogaden. These ethnic Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia hate us more than they hate their Ethiopian and Kenyan colonizers so why we are always the victims of delusional Pan-Somalism?

[XimanJaale]

Ximan Jaale Somali citizenship is not yet defined in the current provisional constitution. But this provisional constitution refers to 1962 constitution. As we know, the 1962 cosntition entitles every Ethnic somali to automatically acquire Somali citizeship and violates territoreial integrity of Kenya and Ethiopia. We should put to and end the Pan-Somali idiology. World sees us that we are threat to the neighboring countires. Why we Somalis in Somali republic runing after Pan-Somalism but not Djibouti, Somalis in NFD and Somalis in Ogaden. These ethnic Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia hate us more than they hate their Ethiopian and Kenyan colonizers so why we are always the victims of delusional Pan-Somalism?

Walaal, I have read somewhere and someone also told me that the current provisional constitution has changed this. I will try find this chapter and share it with you.

Also let's not confuse pan-Somalism with Greater Somalia ambition. Yes I agree that people from South-Central still tend to have the Greater Somalia ambition which is unrealistic at present time.

Also the world sees us as a threat because:

1. We are 100% Sunni Muslims
2. We are Africans
3. We are located in strategic place
4. We are known for being fierce and challenging people
5. We have nomadic population that ignore borders.

So the ambition of Greater Somalia is not the only reason why Ethiopia or the world see us as a threat.

What Somalis should do is:

1. Make Somalia peaceful and united
2. Let Somalia become strong and rich
3. Let Somalia fund and develop Somali regions of Ethiopia and Kenya
4. Let these regions gain economic and political empowerment
5. Voila Somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia become superior and dominant without the need of seceding!
6. Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Somalia all have Somali leaders!

That is my ambition. Greater Somalia is not necessary aslong as Somalis gain upper hand in the country they reside.

[Khalid Ali]

Dayax because koonfurians are dumb and always try to bite off more than can chew , the war with Ethiopia in 1977 made sure Somal republic collapsed beyond repair till this day. Pan Somalism is a dead ideology only out dated morons promote that scam , Kenyan Somalis are proud Kenyans they are not colonized by any one , Djibouti Somalis have made their choice in 1977. Somaliland Somalis in 1991. Its just koonfurians who are crying about pan Somalism dead cause, it has to do with insecurity they cant survive on their own. But sooner or later they will learn the hard way. Cancerous Somaliweyn has been dead , most koonfurians are giving up now on that fake dream, the longer the civil war goes the more they forget that.

[XimanJaale]

Dayax because koonfurians are dumb and always try to bite off more than can chew , the war with Ethiopia in 1977 made sure Somal republic collapsed beyond repair till this day. Pan Somalism is a dead ideology only out dated morons promote that scam , Kenyan Somalis are proud Kenyans they are not colonized by any one , Djibouti Somalis have made their choice in 1977. Somaliland Somalis in 1991. Its just koonfurians who are crying about pan Somalism dead cause, it has to do with insecurity they cant survive on their own. But sooner or later they will learn the hard way. Cancerous Somaliweyn has been dead , most koonfurians are giving up now on that fake dream, the longer the civil war goes the more they forget that.

Nothing wrong with Somaliweyn ambition. If Russia is annexing Crimea so can a strong Somalia. But the problem is that Somalia is not Russia but a weak and fragmented country.

The cancer is not Somaliweyn, the cancer is qabyaalad.

Also do not confuse pan-Somalism with Somaliweyn.

Pan-Somalism is ethnic nationalism whereas Somaliweyn is ambition of secessionist and unity of Somali territories. A Kenyan Somali can be a proud Somali and pan-Somalist whilst still being a Kenyan and so can a Ethiopian Somali or a Djiboutian Somali.

[dayax123]

Ximan, why we have to empower somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia? We have to forget them and rebuild our country. We should focus and put all our efforts to rebuild our country and live peacfully with our neighboring countries. We should develop better realtions with other non-somali communities in the horn like the Amhara, Tigre, Kikyu and the likes instead of wasting time with these etnic somalis in the horn. We should build a better realtion with the Western world. pan-Somalism idealogy should also be probited in teaching schools, we have to challange the wahabism and develope strong nationalsim concerning only Somalia.

[XimanJaale]

Ximan, why we have to empower somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia? We have to forget them and rebuild our country. We should concentrate and put all our efforts to rebuild our country and live peacfully with our neighboring countries. We should develop better realtions with other non-somali communities in the horn like the Amhara, Tigre, Kikyu and the likes instead of wasting time with these etnic somalis in the horn. We should build a better realtion with the Western world. pan-Somalism idealogy should also be probited in teaching schools, we have to challange the wahabism and develope strong nationalsim concerning only Somalia.

Somalia should empower Somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia even Djibouti! For the benefit of Somalia first and the benefit of the Somali race in general. In order for Somalia to have greater influence in the region it can use it's own ethnic group in Ethiopia and Kenya as a leverage against these states, but also in the wider context of geo-political arena. What is more better than a Somali being the leader of Ethiopia or Kenya? Imagine 4 Somali presidents in 4 different countries in East Africa?!

Its a dog eat dog world. There is no as thing as better relations. The world is all about domination and economic super-power.

Somalia should promote civic nationalism but also ethnic nationalism. Especially that Somalis have huge diaspora presences. We should copy the Jews!

Stop hating on Somalis from Kenya and Ethiopia, they are our brothers and sisters that were split by colonial borders. They have every right to Somalia it is their second home!

[dayax123]

Ximan, why we have to empower somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia? We have to forget them and rebuild our country. We should concentrate and put all our efforts to rebuild our country and live peacfully with our neighboring countries. We should develop better realtions with other non-somali communities in the horn like the Amhara, Tigre, Kikyu and the likes instead of wasting time with these etnic somalis in the horn. We should build a better realtion with the Western world. pan-Somalism idealogy should also be probited in teaching schools, we have to challange the wahabism and develope strong nationalsim concerning only Somalia.

Somalia should empower Somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia even Djibouti! For the benefit of Somalia first and the benefit of the Somali race in general. In order for Somalia to have greater influence in the region it can use it's own ethnic group in Ethiopia and Kenya as a leverage against these states, but also in the wider context of geo-political arena. What is more better than a Somali being the leader of Ethiopia or Kenya? Imagine 4 Somali presidents in 4 different countries in East Africa?!

Its a dog eat dog world. There is no as thing as better relations. The world is all about domination and economic super-power.

Somalia should promote civic nationalism but also ethnic nationalism. Especially that Somalis have huge diaspora presences. We should copy the Jews!

Stop hating on Somalis from Kenya and Ethiopia, they are our brothers and sisters that were split by colonial borders. They have every right to Somalia it is their second home!

I don't hate Somalis from Kenya and Ethiopia , i dont like them either. Let them live peacufully in their coutries and let us live peacfully in our country. My point is let's stop the fruitless irredentism. Lets promote good realtionship with all the different communities in the horn. Who told you that Ethnic somali head of ethiopia for example will behave differently frome Meles Zanawi? Do you remember Somali MP in kenyan parliament saying that they want to take Kismayo for buffer zone? Do you remember late Abdulmajid Hussein of Ethiopia advocating Somalia not re-sit its chair in the United Nations during Abdiqasim Time? Do you know how Farah Moalim and Ilyas Barre Shil always try to undermine our soverienity? Kenyan foreing minster is Ethnic Somali and she is lobbying for Kenya to take part of the Somali water.