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Baasto, I think she wrote Quran and not Hadith. Don't let her off the hook yet

Go do your research. The Quran says it too. U do know the bible is included in Quran right? We are almost the same.

Basra, by enlightenment I'm referring to education, reason, vision....some goddamn social progress. Not burn the Mosques and open strip clubs.

BaastoUnit wrote:

GeoSeven wrote:Doubt the unaspiring individual who's obsessed with qabiil would find time to be preoccupied with it if he was a heart surgeon alternating between hospitals. We need enlightenment.

Nonsense.being a successful individual has no correlation with being less qabilist.being more educated also doesnt mean you are less likely to qabilist.both are fallacies. Qabilism is for the atheist,the medina graduate, the poor, the rich, the surgeon, the illiterate.every somali bar a few is a qabilist in the heart.

Don't you think that it's more likely a group of people who have become more discerning through education would adopt a more pragmatic attitude to everything, including the qabiil element?

And what will they do if they give up on qabiil? They'll all be bored.

eliteSomali wrote:And what will they do if they give up on qabiil? They'll all be bored.

The have enough on their plate. Building up their country.

Let me answer this question honestly and from my perspective through personal experience.


People back home we can understand (poverty) but why are people in the West interested in qabiil?


When I came on SNet I had a very optimistic and positive view of Somalis and to an extent I still do. However over the years, after landing on the politics section by mistake when a thread I was responding to was moved while I was still in it, I started to notice a pattern in the threads I would subsequently start noticing around me.

There was a lot of bitterness and hate around qabiil and especially directed towards Hawiye. My parents are typical city folk, I was never taught about qabiil in general and I most certainly was not around people who would insult other qabiils so it was a strange experience. That is what sparked my curiosity, trying to understand these people and where they were coming from. Invariably I ended up learning about my qabiil and lineage and history which turned out to be positive.

Now we could just leave it as that, an interesting look at history where everyone has a personal line which connects them to historical figures and heated arguments arising therefrom. However even if you choose to ignore the cuqdad that some people have created in themselves, what I find is that there are people who will say things like "my qabiil deserves twice as much representation as yours" and they are serious when they say it.

That rings alarm bells because while you're busy being all "Somaliweyn" (typical Hawiye) you have people who are seeking your subjugation. Not mine per se since I don't even live in Somalia but that of my people and they are my people because were I there I'd be in the same boat. So as a qurbo joog you realise that we are not one big happy family. When it comes to politics you have your corner. And never has this been more clear to me as a Habar Gidir than when people were cheering for genocide against Habar Gidir in Shabeelada Hoose.

You can either pretend not to notice this sickness that lies in some individuals or you can be honest with yourself and accept that when it comes to politics and qabiil there are people who would at best only celebrate the death of people like you and at worst actively fund or campaign for it.

Where does this leave us? I don't know. What is the solution to this problem? I don't know. It doesn't affect my day to day life in fact it doesn't affect me at all, all I know is that though we have a lot of beautiful things that hold us together as a community there is also something very dark, sick and vulgar which, whether you choose to see it or not, is right there in front of you.

The simple truth is a HG will praise Caydid and Indha-cadde and an MJ would praise Abdullahi Yusuf.

However much evil a person does not matter, what matters is his qabiil

Jasmin, wallahi sidaad usheegtey waaye, your experience mirrors mine. When I came on Somalinet I discovered a sickness that i had not been aware of before. Its so incredible to have so much hate against a clan, wallahi waa cudur xun. I know the source of this sickness, but some might accuse me of tribal bias.

Muslimstruggler wrote:Jasmin, wallahi sidaad usheegtey waaye, your experience mirrors mine. When I came on Somalinet I discovered a sickness that i had not been aware of before. Its so incredible to have so much hate against a clan, wallahi waa cudur xun. I know the source of this sickness, but some might accuse me of tribal bias.

Akhi, please inform us of this source.

JamalAddow wrote:The simple truth is a HG will praise Caydid and Indha-cadde and an MJ would praise Abdullahi Yusuf.

However much evil a person does not matter, what matters is his qabiil

This is so true which is tragic. You can be the nicest person on earth, but if you come from a qabiil I hate it doesn't matter.


Jasmine, great post. I feel the same way wallahi. I avoid the politics section like the plague. People are sick there.

Jasmine6 wrote:Let me answer this question honestly and from my perspective through personal experience.


People back home we can understand (poverty) but why are people in the West interested in qabiil?


When I came on SNet I had a very optimistic and positive view of Somalis and to an extent I still do. However over the years, after landing on the politics section by mistake when a thread I was responding to was moved while I was still in it, I started to notice a pattern in the threads I would subsequently start noticing around me.

There was a lot of bitterness and hate around qabiil and especially directed towards Hawiye. My parents are typical city folk, I was never taught about qabiil in general and I most certainly was not around people who would insult other qabiils so it was a strange experience. That is what sparked my curiosity, trying to understand these people and where they were coming from. Invariably I ended up learning about my qabiil and lineage and history which turned out to be positive.

Now we could just leave it as that, an interesting look at history where everyone has a personal line which connects them to historical figures and heated arguments arising therefrom. However even if you choose to ignore the cuqdad that some people have created in themselves, what I find is that there are people who will say things like "my qabiil deserves twice as much representation as yours" and they are serious when they say it.

That rings alarm bells because while you're busy being all "Somaliweyn" (typical Hawiye) you have people who are seeking your subjugation. Not mine per se since I don't even live in Somalia but that of my people and they are my people because were I there I'd be in the same boat. So as a qurbo joog you realise that we are not one big happy family. When it comes to politics you have your corner. And never has this been more clear to me as a Habar Gidir than when people were cheering for genocide against Habar Gidir in Shabeelada Hoose.

You can either pretend not to notice this sickness that lies in some individuals or you can be honest with yourself and accept that when it comes to politics and qabiil there are people who would at best only celebrate the death of people like you and at worst actively fund or campaign for it.

Where does this leave us? I don't know. What is the solution to this problem? I don't know. It doesn't affect my day to day life in fact it doesn't affect me at all, all I know is that though we have a lot of beautiful things that hold us together as a community there is also something very dark, sick and vulgar which, whether you choose to see it or not, is right there in front of you.

Jasmine, the reason why most Somalis are against habargidir in Shabellaha Hoose is because the violence there is of their own making. People are inherently biased because of qabil but some facts are indisputable. They are the 'bad guys' in the Shabellaha Hoose. Just ask the natives of Shabellaha Hoose how they fared under Indha Cadde.

As for the Darood, they werent exactly saints under Siyad Barre but no clan perpetrated a level of violence that the Hawiye did against innocent minority clans such as the Bantu, Cad Cad etc. I saw it with my own child eyes. Hence, why the Hawiye (Habargidir and Abgal) clan is synonymous with anarchy among the greater Somali populace. That does not mean an entire clan be tarred with the same brush and innocent qurbakoor individuals like yourself should be attacked for what your kinsmen do back home.

Most armchair tribalists here are brainwashed western raised individuals that have never seen a day of war.

correction.

should not be attacked*

JamalAddow wrote:

Muslimstruggler wrote:Jasmin, wallahi sidaad usheegtey waaye, your experience mirrors mine. When I came on Somalinet I discovered a sickness that i had not been aware of before. Its so incredible to have so much hate against a clan, wallahi waa cudur xun. I know the source of this sickness, but some might accuse me of tribal bias.

Akhi, please inform us of this source.

walalo, in my opinion, most of the cudur and sickness comes from people who come from north of galkacayo upto meesha layiirahdo buhoodle iyo melaha udow dow

I don't even know why you guys care. HG and MJ will forever be enemies, these niggas have been effing each other over for the past 100 years.

And I'm certain no Warsengeli cares that Fiqishine is HG.

Ain't noting wrong with qabiil. It's just how Zoomali's use which is wrong. This is the net what goes down here stays here. In the real world everybody is usually bussy with their life's. Ain't body got time to say fuck Hawiye and get 20 page of nonsense. It just doesn't happen that way. In the real world people use qabiil for specific reasons. For example like qaraan to build a new school for agoonta or to build wells etc Qabiil has it's bad and good it's just how you use it that matters. I learned about qabiil a while ago on snet before that I barely knew my laf. I never asked my parents about it cause I thought it was wrong.

zumaale wrote:

Jasmine6 wrote:Let me answer this question honestly and from my perspective through personal experience.


People back home we can understand (poverty) but why are people in the West interested in qabiil?


When I came on SNet I had a very optimistic and positive view of Somalis and to an extent I still do. However over the years, after landing on the politics section by mistake when a thread I was responding to was moved while I was still in it, I started to notice a pattern in the threads I would subsequently start noticing around me.

There was a lot of bitterness and hate around qabiil and especially directed towards Hawiye. My parents are typical city folk, I was never taught about qabiil in general and I most certainly was not around people who would insult other qabiils so it was a strange experience. That is what sparked my curiosity, trying to understand these people and where they were coming from. Invariably I ended up learning about my qabiil and lineage and history which turned out to be positive.

Now we could just leave it as that, an interesting look at history where everyone has a personal line which connects them to historical figures and heated arguments arising therefrom. However even if you choose to ignore the cuqdad that some people have created in themselves, what I find is that there are people who will say things like "my qabiil deserves twice as much representation as yours" and they are serious when they say it.

That rings alarm bells because while you're busy being all "Somaliweyn" (typical Hawiye) you have people who are seeking your subjugation. Not mine per se since I don't even live in Somalia but that of my people and they are my people because were I there I'd be in the same boat. So as a qurbo joog you realise that we are not one big happy family. When it comes to politics you have your corner. And never has this been more clear to me as a Habar Gidir than when people were cheering for genocide against Habar Gidir in Shabeelada Hoose.

You can either pretend not to notice this sickness that lies in some individuals or you can be honest with yourself and accept that when it comes to politics and qabiil there are people who would at best only celebrate the death of people like you and at worst actively fund or campaign for it.

Where does this leave us? I don't know. What is the solution to this problem? I don't know. It doesn't affect my day to day life in fact it doesn't affect me at all, all I know is that though we have a lot of beautiful things that hold us together as a community there is also something very dark, sick and vulgar which, whether you choose to see it or not, is right there in front of you.

Jasmine, the reason why most Somalis are against habargidir in Shabellaha Hoose is because the violence there is of their own making. People are inherently biased because of qabil but some facts are indisputable. They are the 'bad guys' in the Shabellaha Hoose. Just ask the natives of Shabellaha Hoose how they fared under Indha Cadde.

As for the Darood, they werent exactly saints under Siyad Barre but no clan perpetrated a level of violence that the Hawiye did against innocent minority clans such as the Bantu, Cad Cad etc. I saw it with my own child eyes. Hence, why the Hawiye (Habargidir and Abgal) clan is synonymous with anarchy among the greater Somali populace. That does not mean an entire clan be tarred with the same brush and innocent qurbakoor individuals like yourself should be attacked for what your kinsmen do back home.

Most armchair tribalists here are brainwashed western raised individuals that have never seen a day of war.

You see there was a point in time where I would have just swallowed up all you've said and think nothing of it but now I know a lot more after choosing to educate myself on the topic.

First of all it is people like you I was speaking of. You are actually trying to excuse the killing of civilians using false and baseless accusations. How did an old man, a civilian, who's lived in his farm his entire life bring it upon himself to have his body burnt?

Secondly though it has no place in this particular conversation, the natives of Shabeelada Hoose are Hawiye, go read al Idrisi if you want but don't regurgitate inaccurate statements.

Thirdly there is video evidence that shows Darood militia and the level of brutality they perpetuated during the civil war whereas Caydiid was busy calling on his militia not to kill people because of qabiil, there are videos of this.

And lastly, people this is an example of what I mean. Very obvious attempts to rewrite history, thinly veiled insults directed at your qabiil. Now you could be like I was however many years ago and not be any the wiser or educate yourself and when dragged into it understand the difference between fact and fiction.