Somaliland and Somalia Will Never Unify

[theyuusuf143]

Sahal the biggest difference is

1. Somaliland controls most of the land
2.Somaliland existed before.

Somaliland will eventually be recognized by some of world countries or it will remain as de facto state. When it comes legal issues the fact that Somaliland state existed before somalia it self can not be denied. the possibility that Somalia will take over Somaliland by force is None to Zero. And the possiblity that Somaliland will accept to reunite with Somalia is also None to zero because somalia has no attractive Economy power to persuade Somaliland. Economy is the most important thing in the future !

[sahal80]

Yousuf

I'm not talking about your position rather how the world see it!



I think that somaliland as an independence project has no constituencies of a state/ مقومـات الدولة

Because the british somaliland was bigger than one clan, they had treats with each clan separately, they may even were the first to welcome britain to that region!

So if all were pro-independence 100%
The project has مقومـات الدولة
But what can you do when their clan affiliations is stronger than this project?

Power can disappear tomorrow, look gen caydiid was controlling the whole south and today a minority guy like sharif hassan has his seat in baraawe!!

Bc he used an internationally backed project!

If you want to know the uks federalism position on SL check out

Lyall grant her ambassador to the UN

Mark Simmonds her minister for africa

Nick kay a british diplomats who coordinates with her but works for the UN

Turkey calls the talks; building the bridge talks, is known outside of somalia as unity talks
http://www.somalilanders.net/turkey-hos ... d-somalia/

يا · إقليم أرض الصوما يرحب بمواصلة محادثات الوحدة مع الحكومة الفيديرالية.

[sahal80]

The only difference between uk and turkey regarding SL is that uk wants her to be a federal region like PL, JL etc but have the PM for example as a power-sharing

Turkey suggests SL to have self-governance/autonomy within a federal somalia

This means not being part of the federal govts instituions like the case of zanjibar

This theory is closer to the reality.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar

[X.Playa]

The southerners live in a parallel universe where they manufacture their own facts and reality. Let me begin with the official name of their goverment they call themselves "somalia" a defunct colonial misnomer that was supposedly nullified in 1960 constitution where it stated the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia should hence be officially called " the somali republic".

The irony is now they dubbed the entire nation "somalia" and yet they object to the term "somaliland". I finded it mind boggling when they repeat the mantra " midnimada somalia waa muqadas" lol indeed its given the obvious that Somalia is Italian Somalia and doesn't include Somaliland, or the other mantra "raas casayr ilaa raas kamboni " LOOOL still both capes are within Italian Somalia.

That alone will take 100 years to make the likes of sahal to understand these introductory history.

[theyuusuf143]

Well our clan defferences is not defferent from other countries clan or ethnic defferences including somalia. Somaliland managed to control its clans by force and persuasive methods Something somalia lacks . We even managed to entirely change regonal athourities system from local clan based to national based system.

Unlike your hiiraan region of somalia almost all of the government bodies in my togdheer region are other landers who are not from our region. since you think eastern regions are free from the system I can confirm you that both sool and sanaag have none native regional governors, especially 80% of sool's civil servants , police and military cheifs are not dhulbahante.

The world see us an effective de facto functioning state that existed as de jure State long before somalia. Your arguments on our clans is totaly not valid. We are united and commited to wage war on those who do not obey our country's rule of the law, Thats the reality and we are adapted to survive like that next coming generations.

Instead of lecturing me how nick gay thinks about somaliland I think you should think more about what your unionist goverment offers ? Its very simple question which you can answer only when you first solve your regional problems. Your region is under the mercy of Djibouti hiil walaal troops. You are just telling me how i should stand while you cant stand your own feets looool.

[sahal80]

The southerners live in a parallel universe where they manufacture their own facts and reality. Let me begin with the official name of their goverment they call themselves "somalia" a defunct colonial misnomer that was supposedly nullified in 1960 constitution where it stated the union of British Somaliland and Italian Somalia should hence be officially called " the somali republic".

The irony is now they dubbed the entire nation "somalia" and yet they object to the term "somaliland". I finded it mind boggling when they repeat the mantra " midnimada somalia waa muqadas" lol indeed its given the obvious that Somalia is Italian Somalia and doesn't include Somaliland, or the other mantra "raas casayr ilaa raas kamboni " LOOOL still both capes are within Italian Somalia.

That alone will take 100 years to make the likes of sahal to understand these introductory history.

lol no mate I only get this logic, aint giving you mine don't give me yours!

Your republic
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/ ... hard-sell/

SOMALIA!
http://www.un.org/en/members/countryinf ... me=somalia

Case closed!

[sahal80]

Well our clan defferences is not defferent from other countries clan or ethnic defferences including somalia. Somaliland managed to control its clans by force and persuasive methods Something somalia lacks . We even managed to entirely change regonal athourities system from local clan based to national based system.

Unlike your hiiraan region of somalia almost all of the government bodies in my togdheer region are other landers who are not from our region. since you think eastern regions are free from the system I can confirm you that both sool and sanaag have none native regional governors, especially 80% of sool's civil servants , police and military cheifs are not dhulbahante.

The world see us an effective de facto functioning state that existed as de jure State long before somalia. Your arguments on our clans is totaly not valid. We are united and commited to wage war on those who do not obey our country's rule of the law, Thats the reality and we are adapted to survive like that next coming generations.

Instead of lecturing me how nick gay thinks about somaliland I think you should think more about what your unionist goverment offers ? Its very simple question which you can answer only when you first solve your regional problems. Your region is under the mercy of Djibouti hiil walaal troops. You are just telling me how i should stand while you cant stand your own feets looool.

ISIS is controlling big parties of iraq and syria, has that effected the exixtence of syria and iraq as states?

The same way shabaab who r somalis doesn't have effect on the somali state!

And pls don't tell me these dblock support youe state!

In my findings, I have read that many were afraid of being targeted bc of the civil war so they partaked in the burco conference for stability, one of them was the late garaad of dhulos

This was great bc in the south we had bad ethnic wars that still effects us

In london where I'm, all the non beesha dhexe diasopra are coming to the bbc, arranging meetings, chasing the somali officials bc they r not afraid in here!

All those who were protesting against somali prez were from north!

These guys have different policies, some have chosen confrontation, others stability and wait and see approach.

[theyuusuf143]

Sahal

Do you realise you just shared Somaliland's good reputation from international point of view ? The article you shared changed my perception of our minister of mining husssein duale, I am also proud that my country gets less aid money compare to other countries ! Enjoy watching your powerless blue flagged chair. The reality is hiiraan is under the mercy of hiil walaal you are not even ashamed that you are hiding behind our little bros (djibouti) while you are able to stand up for your state and take care of yourself. You guys lack sense of nationalism.



http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/ ... hard-sell/

[sahal80]

Lol sxb I realise but its not personal for me

I was just raising the world-view points you can keep your views!

The point about the clans there will be a referendum-according to the djibouti talks, not official- per region so we shall see

[theyuusuf143]

We know most diaspora d block do not support Somaliland, but the reality back home is defferent, dhulbahante are pure northern people that means no matter how hard we try to split it can not happen we share the land and cities and we will always have one government, as I mention already we are commited to wage war on any group or clan who turn against the state. Dhulbahante have no better options but to fully join the system or face prolonged socioeconomy pressure.

Today Somaliland controls the entire 5 districts of sool, and we will defenitely cupture buhotle on the right time by military force. Do you know why ali khaliif group are hiding eerigoo valley ? he knows Somaliland military are using him as hunting dog and they will seige buhotle if he settles buhotle. watch this video from ali khalif before somaliland attack on saaxdheer, he clearly stated such.

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[X.Playa]

There will be no clan based referundum period the entire somaliland population will vote and the Daaroods in somaliland are easily outnumbered by jbrill abokor alone.

[gambit]

Somalia always tries to inject their sick clannisim in Somaliand. The world works within international laws and norms. And not appeasing tribes. they're logic always baffles me.

[theyuusuf143]

There will be no clan based referundum period the entire somaliland population will vote and the Daaroods in somaliland are easily outnumbered by jbrill abokor alone.

there may be referendum in sool and sanaag only. but thats huge gamble for somalia, because Somaliland is not going to accept that kind of selective referendum if somalia do not sign full recognition for the rest of somaliland first. And then there is the possibility that Somalilanders may win both sool and sanaag votes.

The other thing is if Somalia pays a lot of efforts to separate isaaq and harti it will only empower puntland dream of creating harti republic. The Hawiye controled weak somalia have to make tough decission to empower puntland or stick to the irirism, lool . they will probably wont support any side and the talks will get died end.

There is an other political game that we can play if Somalia changes their mind to hold referendum or recognize somaliland. We have the option to deal with the ambitious republic of puntland and create new HORN AFRICAN republic thats the end of dhuloos political whoring and the end of Somalia it self . Some of you may think majerten and isaaq hates each an other, thats wrong actually MJs does not care somaliland separitism if we gave up harti land for them. Unfortunately we cant give up but we may share if its possible !

[Togdeer]

Somaliland is going to become independent sooner than most people think.
The quickest way for somaliland to become independent is through wealth. Because we all know money is power.
If Somaliland starts exporting minerals or oil, then the west would come running.
The only reason South Sudan became independant is because of oil.
The world population is increasing is a rate never seen before. With the world population predicted to hit 10 billion by 2050. There is a high demand for minerals such as copper, lithium, gold, diamonds, uranium...
With countries like China and India going through a construction boom.
I think Somaliland would have a better chance of getting independence. Especially with the right leadership.

[Xildiiid]

The AU fact finding mission in 2005 cemented the fact that SL's case is unique.

SL gained independence as a separate country and its borders are based on colonial boundaries just like the rest of Africa. The country then merged voluntarily with Somalia despite the absence of a legal union. So wether our gudhuu neighbors in Somalia like it or not they have no legitimacy to even discuss minor issues regarding SL because it's a separate country and has always been a separate country. The AU is reluctant because of Egypt who threatened the organization when Ghana wanted to invite SL to speak for its case in one of the summits.