How Islamic is Islamic State?

[COOL-MAN]

Look how nice he is talking to the cadaan "thank you sir, I appriciate you sir, these foul mouth ingrates sir, they want you in hell sir bla bla bla

While I who asked a simple question is subjected to atorred of abuse not to mention the belittling of the culamaa and somalis as foul mouth ingrates!!

I will let this gentleman answer you

[CaliQase]

Fah,

Is Mehdi hassan Shia?

Does it matter? Can you not appreciate his eloquent defense of Islam and Muslims through all forms of media, without knowing "ey yo, what set you throw up"

Yeah, I just compared Sunni and Shia to squabbling gangs because that's exactly what they are. In the 10th century, hanbalis and shaafiic used to fight running street battle in Baghdad with destructive rioting because each was convinced that they, and they alone, had The Truth(TM), and that they, and they alone, were the Saved Sect(TM).

2015 and nothing has changed, it's actually gotten worse. Motherfaarax still believe that they, and only they, are eligible to go to Jannah, and everybody else including the Messenger's benevolent Uncle Abu Talib, are gonna fry in hell for eternity.

The ignorant hubris of it all, b.

So what? Wixii dagaalamayaahi ha dagaalamaan, why should I care?
The only thing a muslim person could do in this fitna era is to do as he believes is right. And of course every habar thinks she is going to janna, but hey only God knows who is he going to janna and who won't.

[CaliQase]

Daesh are Islamic nationalists, their ideological soup includes a number of different ingredients, including takfirism (declaring every Muslim other than themselves as apostates) fascism (rejection of democracy, liberalism, pacifism and internationalism in favor of vitalism, military conquest and expansion) and salafism (romantic attempt to restore an allegedly corrupted Islam to its "original form").

Daesh are very similar to Nazis.

First of all, I appreciate you using the word Daesh to refer to those lunatics. It shows how sensitive you are to the on-going demonization of Islam and Muslims by Islamaphobes and your effort to be respectful towards Islam and Muslims. Off-topic, but I find it incredibly ironic that foul-mouthed ingrates who insult other peoples mothers on a daily basis and defend war-crimes because "waa tol-kayga", these same people will insist that you, James Dahl, will fry in hell for eternity, while they and their warlords will be chilling in Heaven. Because "dee shaykhul islaam baa sidaa yiri, ina adeer".

2nd of all, While I agree that Daesh shares some of the traits you mentioned with the Nazis, I think they are decidedly worse than the Nazis in any comparison because the Nazis didn't claim that they were speaking in the name of God, nor did they use the Bible as justification for their atrocities. Daesh does.

Well, he will fry in hell if he dies in gaalnimo, what is your point?

[COOL-MAN]

Look how nice he is talking to the cadaan "thank you sir, I appriciate you sir, these foul mouth ingrates sir, they want you in hell sir bla bla bla

While I who asked a simple question is subjected to atorred of abuse not to mention the belittling of the culamaa and somalis as foul mouth ingrates!!

I will let this gentleman answer you.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Lol@ the Nazis were better than ISIS and Alshabab? This guy is crazy. Methinks he is just another gaal-lover hiding under the guise of being a "moderate" muslim - whatever the fck that means.

[Typhoon]

Daesh are Islamic nationalists, their ideological soup includes a number of different ingredients, including takfirism (declaring every Muslim other than themselves as apostates) fascism (rejection of democracy, liberalism, pacifism and internationalism in favor of vitalism, military conquest and expansion) and salafism (romantic attempt to restore an allegedly corrupted Islam to its "original form").

Daesh are very similar to Nazis.

James these savage nomadic somalis don`t know what you are talking about.

What you are alluding to, is the 19 century German thought of romanticism and Idealism that has its roots in the "Volkish ideology"
One of the hallmarks of that ideology was anti-rationality and its choice of emotion and action over thought
The spread of that ideology was done by second rate academics and journalist.

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer
One ummah, one caliphate and one caliph; nothing wrong with that, but in their fascistic narrative it becomes tyrannical.

One of the things Volkish ideoloques of Germany did was missinterperate and misappropriated philosophical thoughts of prominent thinkers like nietshe and Spengler.
Spengler was once asked about hitler and said,” the only thing the furher read about my book is the title”

There is a concept in Spengler work that alludes to a coming of a “Caesar,” when money and democracy fail. Hitler miss-read events and made things into a self-fulfilling prophecy (messianic mind-set,) keep in mind, Weimar democracy failed and hyperinflation in Weimar was out of control, so in the mind of hitler and his volkiish brown shirts, its them that Spengler was talking about.

I made a thread why young Somalis and other join isis.
Spengler work gave a propethic undertone to Nazis and Islamic eschatology give those that join isis their delusional narrative

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Anglo Saxon james, there is more western influence within radical islam then Islamic tradition.
this revolutionary islamism is distopic by nature but it it aims for a utopia (doesn`t that remind you of communism)

[FAH1223]

Shia are lucky to have escaped the aquired intellectual deficiency syndrome spread by salafis.

This is so overlooked it's shocking. They are the only group of muslims that still have a strong intellectual elite that protect them from the onslaught of the west and extremist Islamic ideologies.

The Iranians for example know to negotiate with the West

You'll never see that with the Arabs

[gurey25]

The Iranians for example know to negotiate with the West

You'll never see that with the Arabs

Iran is an old and advanced culture, which has as a culture allot of experience in statecraft.
The arabs do not, they never had to.
The jews have spread their way of approaching negotiation and politics in general to the west and they are more or less intertwined.

The jewish approach to negotiation is to lay traps to gain advantage over an opponent, deceit and general guile is welcomed and encouraged.
The Iranians have the same culture.

It the poor stupid arabs that are the only ones approaching a negotiation trying to negotiate.
you do not negotiate you dance around and try to stab each other diplomatically, laying traps, and waiting for that person to fall into the trap so you can slit his throat.
If you can get away with it and strong enough to not care of the consequences you can even cheat and not implement agreements.


Now if you have understand this you will understand whats going on in the Iran nuclear negotiations .
Isreal wants to trap iran into implicating itself and face a war,
Even though technically iran has not broken any rules.

Iran understands that this is not a negotiation its war, so their strategy is to dangle the possibility of nuclear weapons
as a trade for lifting full sanctions.

Whenever Isreali influence blocks talk of removing sanctions, iran starts the centrifuges spinning, and increaes activity in the not so secret research labs. After the contreversy iran highlights sanctions and puts on the table its deal.
which is full access to its nuclear sites and stopping of enrichment in exchange for lifiting sanctions.

[FAH1223]

The Iranians for example know to negotiate with the West

You'll never see that with the Arabs

Iran is an old and advanced culture, which has as a culture allot of experience in statecraft.
The arabs do not, they never had to.
The jews have spread their way of approaching negotiation and politics in general to the west and they are more or less intertwined.

The jewish approach to negotiation is to lay traps to gain advantage over an opponent, deceit and general guile is welcomed and encouraged.
The Iranians have the same culture.

It the poor stupid arabs that are the only ones approaching a negotiation trying to negotiate.
you do not negotiate you dance around and try to stab each other diplomatically, laying traps, and waiting for that person to fall into the trap so you can slit his throat.
If you can get away with it and strong enough to not care of the consequences you can even cheat and not implement agreements.


Now if you have understand this you will understand whats going on in the Iran nuclear negotiations .
Isreal wants to trap iran into implicating itself and face a war,
Even though technically iran has not broken any rules.

Iran understands that this is not a negotiation its war, so their strategy is to dangle the possibility of nuclear weapons
as a trade for lifting full sanctions.

Whenever Isreali influence blocks talk of removing sanctions, iran starts the centrifuges spinning, and increaes activity in the not so secret research labs. After the contreversy iran highlights sanctions and puts on the table its deal.
which is full access to its nuclear sites and stopping of enrichment in exchange for lifiting sanctions.

Yup. Those 47 Senators who wrote a letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran saying the deal will be non binding and saying it won't have teeth... and then the Iranians lecturing these Senators on what their constitution says is an example