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jalaaludin5 wrote:Isaq waa Dir waryaa. I don't know about Arab descend but I understand the reason behind it and its a noble one. I mean, what Muslim wouldn't like to have a direct connection to our beloved Prophet (SAW) ? It's like a Christian claiming to have a direct link to Jesus (as).

What else do Arabs really have to offer?

Again, I understand, but I don't agree.
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What does Dir, or whatever rocks your boat, have to offer?

What that have to do with lineage? Offer!!

It is up to you to claim whoever you want, lakin magaaca hana kaga wasakhayn.
Togdeer wrote: Isaaq is Isaaq my friend, where the sheikh came from I don't know, maybe he was there all along.
I class myself as Cushitic.
Because you don't know where Sheikh Ishaq come from classify you as Cushitic!!

Maxaan dad badan u halkan ku jira maskaxdood la yaabay. Adeer hadaydaan aqoon maxa idin diiday inaad dadka yaqaana wax weydiisaan!

Ninkayga inta leeg Cushitic iyo Dirkaad sheegaysaan dhawaan ayaan maqlay.
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James Dahl wrote:Well the one most people reference is I.M. Lewis' book, but to be honest it's a bit crap
I disagree with some of I.M. Lewis's writings but calling it a bit crap is outrage.

By the way, you are confusing between the Word " Tol " and " Isbahaysi ".

P.S. Tol is an Arabic name.
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Djiboutian wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Isaq waa Dir waryaa. I don't know about Arab descend but I understand the reason behind it and its a noble one. I mean, what Muslim wouldn't like to have a direct connection to our beloved Prophet (SAW) ? It's like a Christian claiming to have a direct link to Jesus (as).

What else do Arabs really have to offer?

Again, I understand, but I don't agree.
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What does Dir, or whatever rocks your boat, have to offer?

What that have to do with lineage? Offer!!

It is up to you to claim whoever you want, lakin magaaca hana kaga wasakhayn.
Togdeer wrote: Isaaq is Isaaq my friend, where the sheikh came from I don't know, maybe he was there all along.
I class myself as Cushitic.
Because you don't know where Sheikh Ishaq come from classify you as Cushitic!!

Maxaan dad badan u halkan ku jira maskaxdood la yaabay. Adeer hadaydaan aqoon maxa idin diiday inaad dadka yaqaana wax weydiisaan!

Ninkayga inta leeg Cushitic iyo Dirkaad sheegaysaan dhawaan ayaan maqlay.
Isaaq is dir, and we are proud to be dir. why are you running away your people.

warya James Dahl, your website is incorrect, merge isaaqs with other dir clans.
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Lol isaaq wa dir??? Where did that come from. Just say I believe isaaq is dir and don't claim anything
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Djiboutian wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:Isaq waa Dir waryaa. I don't know about Arab descend but I understand the reason behind it and its a noble one. I mean, what Muslim wouldn't like to have a direct connection to our beloved Prophet (SAW) ? It's like a Christian claiming to have a direct link to Jesus (as).

What else do Arabs really have to offer?

Again, I understand, but I don't agree.
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What does Dir, or whatever rocks your boat, have to offer?

What that have to do with lineage? Offer!!

It is up to you to claim whoever you want, lakin magaaca hana kaga wasakhayn.
Togdeer wrote: Isaaq is Isaaq my friend, where the sheikh came from I don't know, maybe he was there all along.
I class myself as Cushitic.
Because you don't know where Sheikh Ishaq come from classify you as Cushitic!!

Maxaan dad badan u halkan ku jira maskaxdood la yaabay. Adeer hadaydaan aqoon maxa idin diiday inaad dadka yaqaana wax weydiisaan!

Ninkayga inta leeg Cushitic iyo Dirkaad sheegaysaan dhawaan ayaan maqlay.
Cidkasta weydiiney oo rag ka aqoon dheer oh qabiilada Soomalidu sidey ukala baxaan u garanaya like the back of their hand told me so. People who have no reason what so ever to lie and i believe them.

"Offer"....has a lot to do with it. People have been known to make claims about their lineage and their history. Its human nature to exaggerate and since nothing is written on stone, human being tend take things out or change it. For whatever reason.

Personally speaking I have no reason what soever to favour one over the other. But it stand to reason that Isaq is Dir.

I heard lots of Isaq claim Dir and for different reasons. Some do it (claim) for interest (political) while equally some deny it also for (political reasons). And there are those that genuinely believe they are or they are not. I belong to that last group and am only interested in the truth.

Even though I ain't into all that DNA and genetics to determine who does one has more in common or related to, from what I gathered, there is yet to be seen a group of Isaq that tested ARAB ANCESTRY.

But by all means, enlightened me. If you know something we don't then educate us sxb instead of been condescending.

Anigu waxaan aaminsanahay inu Isaq Dir galo ee bal adigu noo faah faahi sidu Arab ku noqday iyo xalku galo adigoo u sii abtirinaya. Binu haashum lagu soo koobo uma baahni ee wax suurta gal ah la kalay.

I am open to be proven wrong.
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Somali clan is a mix of family and tol (sewn together)...maybe per subclan as families but even this is not pure I will give you example for hassan dahir from cayr HG

Met a guy who has no tribal connections with him and was one of his big supporters on online and in real life...so defo he knows closely about the man

I was shocked when he told me that hes ajuran and not HG!

Years later when he got arrested, I have heard there was among the HG odayaal who was lobbying for his release, an abgaal section called sadex geedi!

Apparently sadex geedi are one of the ajuraan affiliated clans like the silcis who have been incorporated by gorgaarte after their defeat...so theres an cayr sedex geedi section and another abgaal section.....one of them with the name aways works in villa abgaal to the point he was keeping in check the former bbc boss Yf.gd when he was appointed as garguurtes media adviser, thats wht you dont see them together publically..

bughyat al amal fi tarikh al somal(1954) mentions hassan dahirs sadex geedi jufo within cayr!

الرابطة الرابعة سدح قيدي

I can't speak for the north/rest but I'm the south I know well it's history....hiraab r New comers for us...from coastal mudug/galgaduud (17 century)

Coastal banadir and shabelle region belong to alot of disappeared and existing clans so when hiraab arrived they tried to give them their hawiye identity

We have been in xamar before hiraab and murursade bc we were connected via afgooye/shabelle river as two dynasties; coastal muzafar banadir dynasty and the ajuran shabelle dynasty

If you read this book you will see alot of lost hawadle bubclans such as the dhabarwayne who hail directly from my cabdi yusuf jufo, lost cabdalle preachers and reer ugaas

Imam title is knew to hiraab...this is when abgaals conquered shangani and appointed themselves as imams but the real inheritors of ajuran were the galadi from warsheekh to kismayo appointed by the sultan of zanzibar

Habar ceeno of murursade have been there before abgaal, they entered xamarwayne for commerce

I think clan and land have relations...put somalia in 4 directions and you will notice this!

NW, NE, SE and SW! Atleast before the 18 century!

So I'm samaale not hawiye but bc of the land I share common intrests with them against the new invaders!

http://www.loohpress.com/images/Bughiya ... omal02.jpg


http://arabic.alshahid.net/columnists/117326#_ftn16
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LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:
Hararboy wrote:ImageI'm part somali and I'm also an Hadere so I ain't a habesha.

As I understand the somali civil war was at the root a clan war and Somalis problem go back to the clan system. How old is the clan system and why did it start? Are there cultural or genetic differences between clans?
Isaaq descend from Aladdin and his magic flying carpet in Baghdad.
Darood descend from Ali baba and the 40 shoe-thieves.
Hawiye descend from Jomo Kenyatta
and the rest are all oromos.

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theyuusuf143 wrote:
Isaaq is dir, and we are proud to be dir. why are you running away your people.

warya James Dahl, your website is incorrect, merge isaaqs with other dir clans.
Dalkaad ka timi, Somaliland, dadkiisi waxaay ku maahmaahan " Mulac caruuri qabatay iyana waa ka ciyaar isna waa ku qudhgooyo ". Abtirsiinto adna waa ka ciyaar ana waa ila qudhgooyo.
theyuusuf143 wrote:
Arinta dirka anigu marnaba ma xaqiijin karo meeshaynu dir iska galno, laakiin marwalba waxa hubaala inay yagu inooga dhawyihiin reer nebi maxamed, horaan u sheegay qabaa,ilku wax natural ah maaha. 10 million oo oromo ah baan ilma qoti sheekh isaaq ka dhigi karaa daqiiqad gudaheed, hamoodina in abtirsigu qumbulad saynis ku fadhida yahay, waa wax si simple ah loo curin karo oo wax ka bedel iyo kaabisba lagu samayn karo xiligii la doono.

Warkii oo kooban hadii Dirka shuqashuqaynta laga dayn waayo ninka hadhaw xabaashiisa carab laga waayo uunbaa ku ceebaysan kkkkkkk .
Nabi Mohamed " عليه الصلاة و السلام " wuxu yidhi qof sheegta aabo aan dhalin isagu og inu aabihi ahayn Jannada ka Xaraan ah". And in other narrative " Jannada ma uriyo" . Wuxu kale u ku tilmaamay ninka Nasab ay dadka u dhan isku yaqaanan beeniya inu Kaafir yahay.

Anigu halka ka duulaya waxaan kula dardaarmi laha inaad ku dag dagiin amuuraha. Marnaba kulamaanan doodi lahayn hadaan 100% ku kalsoonayn waxaan leeyahay.
jalaaludin5 wrote:
But by all means, enlightened me. If you know something we don't then educate us sxb instead of been condescending.

I am open to be proven wrong.
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Re: Can someone explain the somali clan system to a foreigner

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Djiboutian wrote:
theyuusuf143 wrote:
Isaaq is dir, and we are proud to be dir. why are you running away your people.

warya James Dahl, your website is incorrect, merge isaaqs with other dir clans.
Dalkaad ka timi, Somaliland, dadkiisi waxaay ku maahmaahan " Mulac caruuri qabatay iyana waa ka ciyaar isna waa ku qudhgooyo ". Abtirsiinto adna waa ka ciyaar ana waa ila qudhgooyo.
theyuusuf143 wrote:
Arinta dirka anigu marnaba ma xaqiijin karo meeshaynu dir iska galno, laakiin marwalba waxa hubaala inay yagu inooga dhawyihiin reer nebi maxamed, horaan u sheegay qabaa,ilku wax natural ah maaha. 10 million oo oromo ah baan ilma qoti sheekh isaaq ka dhigi karaa daqiiqad gudaheed, hamoodina in abtirsigu qumbulad saynis ku fadhida yahay, waa wax si simple ah loo curin karo oo wax ka bedel iyo kaabisba lagu samayn karo xiligii la doono.

Warkii oo kooban hadii Dirka shuqashuqaynta laga dayn waayo ninka hadhaw xabaashiisa carab laga waayo uunbaa ku ceebaysan kkkkkkk .
Nabi Mohamed " عليه الصلاة و السلام " wuxu yidhi qof sheegta aabo aan dhalin isagu og inu aabihi ahayn Jannada ka Xaraan ah". And in other narrative " Jannada ma uriyo" . Wuxu kale u ku tilmaamay ninka Nasab ay dadka u dhan isku yaqaanan beeniya inu Kaafir yahay.

Anigu halka ka duulaya waxaan kula dardaarmi laha inaad ku dag dagiin amuuraha. Marnaba kulamaanan doodi lahayn hadaan 100% ku kalsoonayn waxaan leeyahay.
jalaaludin5 wrote:
But by all means, enlightened me. If you know something we don't then educate us sxb instead of been condescending.

I am open to be proven wrong.
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Hore waxa lu yidhi " Timaha ku wada yaal aya inna banaanka lago xiirta ina qol lagu xiirta ". Aniga aya meel aan halkan ahayn kugu warami doona. Laba nin u reer Jabuuti ah baanu nahay oo inshallah sii fiican ayaan isku qanciin doona. Imika iyo haatan, ninka aanu ilmaderka nahay ee Adariga ah yaanan Topic-kii kaga xumayn.
Looking forward to be proven wrong and educated at the same time. If that's even possible.

inshaAllah.
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cuqdad filled laangaba saha
'According to the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, maritime trade connected Somalis in the Mogadishu area with other communities along the Indian Ocean coast as early as the 1st century CE, and the ancient trading power of Sarapion has been postulated to be the predecessor of Mogadishu. With Muslim traders from the Arabian Peninsula arriving c. 900, Mogadishu was well-suited to become a regional center for commerce.'
we are ancient civilization unlike your oromo ass whose ancestors are unknown,begging for protection claiming hawiye then irir samaale,we are not irir samaale,we have nothing to do with irir samaale,it doesnt exist,it is a fictional ciise madoobe invention to get to somalia.when your folks ere savage hunter gathers ,we traded with the ancient greeks,romans etc.
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blood wrote:cuqdad filled laangaba saha
'According to the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, maritime trade connected Somalis in the Mogadishu area with other communities along the Indian Ocean coast as early as the 1st century CE, and the ancient trading power of Sarapion has been postulated to be the predecessor of Mogadishu. With Muslim traders from the Arabian Peninsula arriving c. 900, Mogadishu was well-suited to become a regional center for commerce.'
we are ancient civilization unlike your oromo ass whose ancestors are unknown,begging for protection claiming hawiye then irir samaale,we are not irir samaale,we have nothing to do with irir samaale,it doesnt exist,it is a fictional ciise madoobe invention to get to somalia.when your folks ere savage hunter gathers ,we traded with the ancient greeks,romans etc.
lol this is not the political section Mr qaaqle, secondly your the definition of "civilization destroyers"...ajuran civilization was destroyed by you according to all accounts including this book. Looking at your shirib shiidle culture and unintelligible dialect you sound like a bunch of jareer and coastal hiraab
https://m.facebook.com/Amina.Mussa.Wehe ... 8522512563

http://magafe.com/id/36.aspx

If we were not careful of our samaale purity, today we would have been at the same size as you...there r lot of lost hawadle, in degodia like reer gadiid, reer xamar like the dhabarwayne(cabdu yuusuf) reer aw nuur, reer aw mohamed (cabdalle) reer caalim in marka (reer ugaas)

"› Wikipedia › articles
5 Jun 2008 - Hawadle ... Cabdi Yusuf. Dhabarweyne; Reer Idle Matan"
طوروين التي ترجع نسبها إلى حوادله بن ميله بن سمال


"Hamarweyne districts in Mogadishu; and MerkaSomali (Rer-Hamar Dialect)Some subclans have patron clans within Hawadle"

Lost hawadle

http://different-strands.com/2013/11/04 ... ahmed-ali/

Lastly, samaale has nothing to do with irir and hawiye, it means the native ancestor of somalis and I have my direct link to itStoml
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The whole thing is a myth, I had the honour to speak to a few well known geneticists a few years back regarding DNA Haplogroups particularly as it relates to Somali's, we are the closest to inbred that you can find, our first migration from the Horn up to Egypt was around 3000 years ago, this coincides with the Kingdom of Kush that ruled Egypt as recorded in history.

We ruled Egypt for a century up until the time of Prophet Jesus, the accounts in Hebrew Bible is that as small child he fled Jerusalem for his safety and was told to go to EGYPT were he will blend in with the people, The Kingdom of Kush ruled Egypt at that time by unanimous consensus, so the isrealites in the holy lands must be the semetic Tigrays/Amhara as Jesus would blend in with the Kushites were he grew up according to the biblical accounts and also historical accounts, this also coincides with strong believes that Jesus descended from present day Ethiopia ( Ethiopia derogatory name used by the Greeks meaning burnt faces, originally describing Sudani's but Xabashi's took that inflammatory word and made into the name of their nation), we ruled Egypt until the savage Assyrian chased us back to were we came from.

I am inclined to follow the cushtic theory much more plausible to me as it has historical as well as linguistic evidences, based on that it's Noah, Ham, Kush, the Arabs trace there progeny from Ismeal, we pre-dated the Arabs by several thousand years, yet Somali's come on here shamefully claiming that they Arabs whom they pre-dated.
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xawaadle is oromo,they are more oromo calture than somali calture,This is xawaadle traditional dance more closely related to oromo ancient pre-islamic calture of worshipping waaq,the men circle themselves to dance while max 10-12 men kick the earth creating a dust which signifies waaq worshipping calture,begging waaq to bring rain in the desert of hiiraan http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xqtpe

To the unsuspecting eye,it just means random circle dance but it signifies the prehistoric worship of waaqism thus it was abgaal religious elders that islamized these cawaan oromo.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xqtpe

Ciyaarta Walisaqo, ay caan ku tahay Beesha Xawaadke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhI41Kq07nE

Public waaqism xawaadle calture in connection with oromo.they even speak oromo accent.

part of waaq-bari where they beg waaq for rain http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xqtpe :-O
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Dameerkaan horta maxaa idaba dhigay?

f-king brainless sab!

Saas ooytahay waad xadaan oo magaalooyinkiinad ku soo galisaan youtubka

You don't have samaale nomadic culture and your talking about somalinimo..you and murursade who play shirta and shirib have sab somali culture which has origins in shiidle...

Your the least to talk about somali!

No wonder why you both r the ugliest somalis!


Walisaqo is a pure nomadic culture, it's played in two ways, this one with the women
https://youtu.be/I0FivM6GyyE

The other one is called gadoon...it's known in waqooyi as jaandheer you can check it in YouTube

Nomadic ciyaaro r the same but every region has it's type..we have our own dhaanto...

Walisaqo and gadoon r common in hawadle mosly and cayr of HG....fuck off I don't wanna talk to a sab dabaal though you like to engage with me everytime..talk to someone on your brain level!
https://youtu.be/SmHZdKrPraI

HG/cayr
https://youtu.be/uQsG6QG7kyc

Waqooyi as jaandheer

https://youtu.be/Mbg1sMQERP0
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This is sab somali culture

Shiiidle the original shirib!

https://youtu.be/i1zcVQxDOXM
Shirib abgaal
https://youtu.be/DAZMagcw6U4

Shirta murursade

https://youtu.be/INVgFGrjzTc
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