Making Sense of The Greatest Political Turmoil That's Brewing

[Django]

Guhaad Sakin is not D&M he is .5 Asharaf
He is head of Konfur Galbeed (whose flag still has additional 3 stars that represent Gedo,Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba.)

I dont think Axmed blackie should negotiate with Sakiin on D&M as he is neither their Ugaas but more of Burashley.
Sakin should negotiate with Bakool Sare and shouldnt expect Blackie to arbitrate as Blackie is only Leader of JL.

[MarsinQorahay]

Konfuur are some weird people. 24/7 they talk about war from child, elder, religious, business, woman, mother, cleric, student and yet they never win any war.

They also do not get if you ain't winning, make peace.

Everyone whooped their azzes from Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM, SNM, Americans, Italians...

The whooping continues so do their big mouths

You will remain in the same status quo until either Ethiopia takes full control or Kenya extend NFD.

Excuse me, Come again? Did you seriously and forcefully press "SNM" in that list?

SNM whooped Said barre forces from the south.

[smooth]

Patriot,
. Absame had at least 10 Mps out of the 120 parliamentary seats:

As for Iljeex and Walaalaha Galguduud, entire Habar Gidir had three seats: 1 from Hobyo, two from Dhuusa Mareeb. Mareexaan had one from Dhuusa Mareeb. Together Walaalaha Galguduud had 4 seats maximum Walaalhay. Remember back then Mudug included Galguduud.

If you go back and read my comments I said if we go back to purely district based MP selection you will at most get 10, go back to that chart that was posted a few weeks ago which gives you guys 10 as well, so at the height of Daroodism were Marexaan, O.G, Dhulloz were most favoured so much so isaaq's were expelled from their land for you & the whole country destroyed because of attempting to liberate you from Xabashi rule, you had 10, the same you would receive today, this is why blackie rejected Majerteenia fully district based representation because O.G will suffer

HG will come out from several districts in Benadir, a district in Hiiraan, districts in both shabelle, Districts in Galmudug, in fact despite Afweyne blatant Daroodism regarding 92 Degmo's making unpopulated areas in Jaberti lands not more then 30km apart Degmo's, despite this injustice, HG will be the 3rd largest group with Degmo's behind Mudulood/MJ, the chart showed 25 Degmo's counting Mogadishu, more then double what you would receive and nobody would argue with me, all those districts I am a full majority and rule by the gun until this day.

Who cares during Afweyne corrupt times, the infamous Sacad queen gabey when Afweyne came to Hobyo, were she scolded him for taking the port destined for hobyo to basaaso due to daroodism, Afweyne response was "your men are building ports in East Africa", he was right, due to his policies and jaberti's bureaucrat thief's that never worked a day in their life, stealing the businesses of others, they all fled, today the wealthiest people are Hawiye were ever in the world you go, you guys dominate benefit systems along with you cousins in wooqoyi, a shame to Somali's, every HG I know not a single on benefits or milking the system.

There was a time I used to respect O.G's my favourite off the jaberti tribes but today you have replaced dhabacyo as the number 1 enemy, Xabashi's are using you like the slaves that you are to oppress other Somali's and you have the audacity to come here and defend it.

[FarhanYare]

Patriot,
Arguing with Iljeex whose story in Somali politics started with the Walaalaha Galguud doesn't deserve your time and debates. If he just reads and tries to understand a bit about how the Somali parliamentary seats were distributed during the democratic elections in the 1960s. Absame had at least 10 Mps out of the 120 parliamentary seats:
1. Afmadow 4
2. Jamaame 2
3. Jilib 1
4. Baardheere 2
5. Bakool 1
6. Lugh Ghanaane 1 -only one election

If he is questioning Jamaame, out of the three seats from Jamaame, two were always Ogaden. Two brothers had it in lockdown:
1. Hilowle Macalin - First Somali defense minister
2. Cumar Macalin - First Somali ambassador to USA - just google their names

For Jilib, there were two seats, and Ogaden had one - Xuseen Jiis of Bahgeri was always sent to the parliament from Jilib.

As for Iljeex and Walaalaha Galguduud, entire Habar Gidir had three seats: 1 from Hobyo, two from Dhuusa Mareeb. Mareexaan had one from Dhuusa Mareeb. Together Walaalaha Galguduud had 4 seats maximum Walaalhay. Remember back then Mudug included Galguduud.

Following link the chart on how the seats were distributed. It may not have been the perfect democratic system but overwhelmingly, members of the parliaments were elected by their clans in their districts.
https://operationoverload.wordpress.com ... 1960-1969/

[AwRastaale]

Cagdheer hasn't won any war thou. Even when they saw Barre losing ground they changed side and joined SNM (Omar Jees).

Today they are still under the same hammer as Ras Darge and Ras Makonnen despite being close to 200 years. Things are only going in the opposite direction (more Cagdheer colonized).



Morgan fled and screamed 004 all the way to Kismayo.

[Django]

Cagdheer hasn't won any war thou. Even when they saw Barre losing ground they changed side and joined SNM (Omar Jees).

Today they are still under the same hammer as Ras Darge and Ras Makonnen despite being close to 200 years. Things are only going in the opposite direction (more Cagdheer colonized).



Morgan fled and screamed 004 all the way to Kismayo.

You are the greatest liar.SNM was useless even the US declassified doc proves that.SNM did not defeat MSB nor did Cumar Jess side with SNM cos MSB was losing it.Were it not fot USC and SPM Morgan would still be sipping Shah in Hargeisa.There is no footage of any POWs or trucks burnt or overrun military barracks in the North Somalia.

The funny thing is you talk of colonisation while you being born bred in Hargeisa has been mentality been colonised to acceot Xabashi being your master.
Even the Haud you keep on mentioning has had Zero cultural influence or contact with Habesha. You talk as if your subclan lives like at the suburbs of Addis Ababa but in reality live at the border between the Somali region and Somalia you are like a Mexican who leaves at the border and pretends to be a diehard New Yorker.

Ethiopia is 80 million and is tenfolds or more than Ogaden and receives billions of IC funds.The Ogaden just like other Ethiopian ethnic groups like Tigray/agame have fought fiercely over the years which even abeshas bear testimony apart from ina igare would knows nothing cos he was busy booty clapping for Abesha.

Iidoor is an insignificnt clan in Ethiopia.There was a time when the Sambusa family was important to Ethiopia but the moment PL joined in then they were outsmarted and out done.The fake Sambusa currency is not accepted in the Haud region. SInce Hawdian claims to be from Hawd how come Isaaqs did not reclaim Haud and seek its independence and unite it with Sambusa land?

Hawdian knows that Sambusa land is Arid land and most of the fresh produce comes from Ethiopia also he knows how the Cissas have benefitted from Ethiopia the problem is he doesnt grasp that Cissas live in Diredawa and are Ethiopians.The only bargaining chip is Berbera port and it will never become at par with Djibouti.
It hurts Hawdian to see that Ogadens get more recognition from Abesha than his insignificant clan.Even though he tries his best to smoke weed and listen to reggea music he doesnt know that Raggea nd smoking weed is not part of Abesha culture but from Jamaicn worshiping Abesha.

[AwRastaale]

^^^struggling with your broken English and constant grammar problems but SNM not only won the war but created USC, SSNM. USC's first chairman was SNM's Vice President.

Barre was protecting Ogadens and even trying to liberate them but as soon as they saw him losing the war they joined SNM side. Poor cagdheer. Still haven't liberated a single village except Habesha took Kismayo now.



SNM 40,000-50,000



USC 15,000-20,000.

[AbdiWahab252]

Hawdian - SNM never defeated the SNA. It was the USC who beat the SNA who then were told to disband from their positions in Waqooyi. If it wasn't for the USC's capture of Xamar, the SNA would have held the major cities in the North.

10,000 men? More fibs spun by antiCaydiid's elements like Said Samatar's infamous assessment of the USC forces loyal to Caydiid as being 500 drug addicted kids.

[Lancer]

This argument has been done so many times give it a rest. The SNM managed to draw the majority of afweyne's army into the north allowing the USC to take advantage of that and sweep in quickly for the capital. Both sides were crucial to the victory and anyone who tries to say one of them did it alone is delusional. It sounds cliche but it really was a team effort.

[Django]

Hawdian dont worry with my grammar.You are not my English teacher.
There has never been any proof of captured SNA soilders that were ever paraded in Hargeisa or any large scale destruction of heavy attillery or militaru convoy.The SNM was like French resistance of the WW2.The french resistance claimed they kicked out the Nazis in their narratives.But we all knoe of the Normandy landings etc .So is SNM.SNM was over.Had SNM defeated SNA solely they eould have matched to Xamar just like Eritrean resistance. SNM also resembles TPLF who love taking credit of the fall of the Derg while in reality they were escorted to Addis Ababa by Eritrean rebels.

[Django]

This argument has been done so many times give it a rest. The SNM managed to draw the majority of afweyne's army into the north allowing the USC to take advantage of that and sweep in quickly for the capital. Both sides were crucial to the victory and anyone who tries to say one of them did it alone is delusional. It sounds cliche but it really was a team effort.

How would the majority of the army head to the north just to fight a poor transcripted tribal militia? This would expose them Ethiopian attacks in the south if that was the case Ethiopian army would have captured the entire South.SNM was like Syrian free army.

[Lancer]

This argument has been done so many times give it a rest. The SNM managed to draw the majority of afweyne's army into the north allowing the USC to take advantage of that and sweep in quickly for the capital. Both sides were crucial to the victory and anyone who tries to say one of them did it alone is delusional. It sounds cliche but it really was a team effort.

How would the majority of the army head to the north just to fight a poor transcripted tribal militia? This would expose them Ethiopian attacks in the south if that was the case Ethiopian army would have captured the entire South.SNM was like Syrian free army.

Ethiopia? The day the 77 war was lost Ethiopia could have march to Mogadishu if they wanted to but they were prevented from it by the Soviet Union. Somali alignment with the U.S. also prevented confrontation and By 1988 barre signed that deal with them and any chance of Ethiopian invasion was slim as they were preoccupied with their own rebel groups meaning any little regiments in the border areas left were sent north were they met their maker.

[Django]

After 77 the Ethiopians did capture Bases in Somalia like Balidolge etc.
1988 SNM was irrelevant.They were just an ill equiped rowdy mercenaries.Tell me of any military barracks that was overrun?Any pics of pows they captured and lined up?
We all know had SNM defeated SNA they would have today been in Xamar sipping coconut juice.

[Arcturus]

If USC was so great, why are their descendants at the mercy of SSDF for 18years Post Caydiid?

I don't know the LION's People sound like flower cats.