Do you put your Qabiil above being Somali??

[balwarama]

Its not simply part of culture. ITs part of being Somali and its part of Somali systems of life.. If you do not have Somali ethnic clan then you are not a Somali.

Clan are always being scapegoated and stereotyped by people who are ignorant about its function and role in Somali society. Conflict in Somalia is not happening because of Clan.

Clans are not an ideology/cult or a doctrine. Clans are just social units. The underlying problem has to do with the mistrust an authoritarian central govt fostered on the somali people. It was mainly the unequal distributon of resources and unequal powersharing and the injustice of Communist regime that caused the war not because Clan A hates Clan B.

Reinforcing this mistrust against a centralized state is newly common practice to organize a political party somewhere and claim presidency over a given region.

Of cource clan is used as an agent but not the problem or cause itself, just like politics, race, color, nationality are used as agents in war & conflict. In the absence of Clan there would have been war and in the absence of Islam wars would have taken place.

Most wars throughout history happens due to Resources and Land. Thats why far more emphasis has to be placed on greed, wealth disparity, and its effect on the human condition.[/quote]

[Machiavelli2]

There was this prostitute that this sheikh knew her late father. He paid her a visit in a brothel to attempt to guide her away from prostitution. He spoke to her about how her father was a decent, honourable, loving and a caring man towards his family and his community. She cried and said, ooh Sheikh Mustafa, I didn't know about it, both of my parents died while I was a child. He continued to preach her about the sins she was accruing as a Muslim. She cried again and said, she will no longer practice selling her body. He promised her to set her up if she abandons prostitution and protect her like one of his daughters. She cried further and told him, if only he was in her life prior becoming a prostitute, she will never have became a prostitute. Just before the Sheikh was to finish and asked her to come with him and leave the brothel, a client walked in and shook some coins in his pocket, suddenly she became animated, turned to the Sheikh and told him with a tone of urgency, wrap it up your talk sheikh, a client is waiting for me. When it comes to negative tribalism, we are like this prostitute. We know the serious tragic negative impact tribal wars and hatreds caused us and yet we are addicted to embrace it. Religion, shared culture and familial ties failed to help us overcome negative tribalism. We are a nation of tribalholics.

[MayDay777]

There was this prostitute that this sheikh knew her late father. He paid her a visit in a brothel to attempt to guide her away from prostitution. He spoke to her about how her father was a decent, honourable, loving and a caring man towards his family and his community. She cried and said, ooh Sheikh Mustafa, I didn't know about it, both of my parents died while I was a child. He continued to preach her about the sins she was accruing as a Muslim. She cried again and said, she will no longer practice selling her body. He promised her to set her up if she abandons prostitution and protect her like one of his daughters. She cried further and told him, if only he was in her life prior becoming a prostitute, she will never have became a prostitute. Just before the Sheikh was to finish and asked her to come with him and leave the brothel, a client walked in and shook some coins in his pocket, suddenly she became animated, turned to the Sheikh and told him with a tone of urgency, wrap it up your talk sheikh, a client is waiting for me. When it comes to negative tribalism, we are like this prostitute. We know the serious tragic negative impact tribal wars and hatreds caused us and yet we are addicted to embrace it. Religion, shared culture and familial ties failed to help us overcome negative tribalism. We are a nation of tribalholics.

well put

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

My qabiil is a part of who I am. It is the fabric of my very existence.

That being said, I would never ever support them in oppression. In fact, I would try to stop them. I would also help my fellow Somalis and treat them as my own brothers and sisters.

Otherwise, my clan comes first.

I am for Qabiil.
I am also against Qabyaalad.

[FarhanYare]

No, but if my qabiil paid my bills i would

[zaki87]

Yeah my nigga except God

[zaki87]

And God chosen them to be that level now guess it or shut the door

[GalliumerianSlayer]

My qabiil is a part of who I am. It is the fabric of my very existence.

That being said, I would never ever support them in oppression. In fact, I would try to stop them. I would also help my fellow Somalis and treat them as my own brothers and sisters.

Otherwise, my clan comes first.

I am for Qabiil.
I am also against Qabyaalad.

Pretty much the case, if my somali brothers are in trouble ? i'd help then, we are few in the world, look at how the Jews support each other.

[SANDIEGUY]

In the sense that my tribesmen are closer to me than other somalis yes but if my tribesmen are doing wrong against others or if others need help more than my tribesmen then i will naturally help the one who is oppressed and helpless. Of course in the case of friendships and such, i dont prefer one over the other

Btw im talking about my subclan not the general tribe

Your subclan as in Reer Dalal? Reer Warfaa? Reer Cabdille? MZ? or your sub clan as in Ogaden? Absame? Kumade? Kablalax? What level of subclan are we talking here?

An additional question... Reer Dalal miyaad kaxigsan kartaa Reer Warfaa kale? Reer Warfaa over other r. Cabdilles? R. Cabdille vs other Subeers? MZ and other OGs? Ogaden and other Absame? Absame and other Kablalaxs?? Kablalax over other Daroods?? And finally Daroods over other Somalis?

I'm having a problem understanding why it all matters

As far as axmed xirsi. Maybe upto dalal. I dont get what he means by do i prefer them over being somali. We are all somali but obviously you are closer to your particular tribe than other somalis. You pay blood money together etc

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

My qabiil is a part of who I am. It is the fabric of my very existence.

That being said, I would never ever support them in oppression. In fact, I would try to stop them. I would also help my fellow Somalis and treat them as my own brothers and sisters.

Otherwise, my clan comes first.

I am for Qabiil.
I am also against Qabyaalad.

Pretty much the case, if my somali brothers are in trouble ? i'd help then, we are few in the world, look at how the Jews support each other.

Exactly.

[Kareem99]

To me, that's like being asked "do you prefer your gender over being dark skinned?" How do you answer that?
I'm both male and coloured. Likewise, I'm both Somali and Surre Dir. There is no separating the two.

There is the "wax Soomaali la yiraahdo maba jiro ee waa qabiil kaliya" camp, which has self-hate written all over it. I mean, if the anti-Somali sentiment is that strong, why speak the language and practice the culture? Go one step further and bleach your skin. Go all South-Korean with that crazy plastic surgery so you no longer look Somali.

I've got affinity for my clan, I've also got affinity for the members of my ethnic group, irrespective of their clan. We don't have to be put in a box, one way or the other.

[AgentOfChaos]

I couldn't care less about either.

[TheMightyNomad]

To me, that's like being asked "do you prefer your gender over being dark skinned?" How do you answer that?
I'm both male and coloured. Likewise, I'm both Somali and Surre Dir. There is no separating the two.

There is the "wax Soomaali la yiraahdo maba jiro ee waa qabiil kaliya" camp, which has self-hate written all over it. I mean, if the anti-Somali sentiment is that strong, why speak the language and practice the culture? Go one step further and bleach your skin. Go all South-Korean with that crazy plastic surgery so you no longer look Somali.

I've got affinity for my clan, I've also got affinity for the members of my ethnic group, irrespective of their clan. We don't have to be put in a box, one way or the other.

Well you have to understand that vast majority nowadays have been spoon fed this narrative of ''Clan'' being inherently Anti-Somali. A while ago i used to believe this myself due to such prevailing stereotype that got started by the communist kacaan regime and by Salafis.

But now i think differently, i feel like the failure of kacaan govt is evidence of how we should look at ''Unity'' from a different context. Instead of trying to drive wedges between clan and Somali. We instead need to accomodate clan as being part of our Somali identity and aknowledge the important role it plays in our lives.

I am of the belief that denying clan is not part of the process of peace, regardless of how much horrors have been caused in the name of clan. No more so than ignoring a malignant tumor is good cure for cancer. In treating a prostate cancer it is usually a good idea not to cut out the bladder and leave the prostate. Mis- identifying clan is a detrimental to Somalia,

[theyuusuf143]

My qabiil is part of the Ethnic Somali, out of all the Somali people i helped personally only small percentage hails from my clan. In fact most of those i reach first when i am having problems hails from the rival clans of my own. Our only difference is political!. In real life most Somalis have personal relationship beyond their qabiil. So i can confidently say the only place where Somalis put their qabiil before Somalinimo is in the political field.

[theyuusuf143]

I never had one single habarjeclo friend in my entire life.