Having A Hard Time Understanding Some Somalilanders Here

[Xildiiid]

Luis,

Isaaq took a lions share unlike other clans and no one can deny that.

Hutu troll,

You're conflating the Hutu/Daroogo civil war of the 90's based on a power struggle to the State Terrorism campaign launched against Isaaq in the 80's.

Caqli lix saac Bantu.

[SultanOrder]

There is nothing to understand. As long as seccessionists, not reer waqooyi, support secession, we shall always be diametrically opposed. Showing their clear opposition is a good thing, we know where they stand. But seccionism is not important for the moment. We shall deal with them when the time comes.

It is the manifest destiny of Somalis to be under one national flag. The color doesn't matter and who heads it doesn't matter. For me I could not careless if it was the SL flag with the tawhid (a beautiful touch), or the blue flag with the white star. By guile or by force we shall be together!

The union was permanent but incomplete, there are still missing parts!

[random1234567]

Did the SNM go to your region and kill your people? Let's just go along with your fairy tale logic. Today the Israelis occupy through brute force portions of the West Bank. Now let's just say the Farah/Hamas finally remove that brutal army. Do you think those settlers who were protected by the same occupying army, who collaborated in the injustice won't face retribution?
Barre's atrocities can not be compared to ANY single actor after the war or before. No single Somali has EVER the amount of power at this mans disposal. And no single clan has EVER withstood the force Isaaq was attacked with. That we survived and became victorious against every Somali tribe united, is why we are who we are, and you are a red bottom Hutu monkey. Now be one your way.

Nice analogy, except you forget that the Barre regime owned the areas which SNM invaded. So that example falls quite quick. Now, I haven't, in any way, denied what Barre did. I even said it was horrendous. But to deny that there are atrocities on the side of SNM is just hypocritical. The leaders of those areas were asked to stop housing them, they refused. As bad as what Barre did, was he meant to just hand his northern coastal areas to a rebel group backed by Ethiopia? Every Somali tribe attacked you? You have some strange paranoia. The Hawiye were also attacked, and so were Rahanweyn(arguably worse). It's the reason a civil war broke out. Many Somalis were victims of Siad Barre, don't act as though Somaliland is free of blame.

What exactly are we debating about. Adigu you are Hutu who 30 years later is still up to his usual biliqo and isbaroo. Your moral compass has never worked. Getting you to understand simple right and wrong is like asking a career criminal to become a law abiding citizen. You just don't want to understand basic logic. Your tribe specialises in burning elderly people from small tribes.

Ethiopia allowed the Isaaq fighters to use OUR lands inside Ethiopia and when Barre made peace with them by giving them the Somali region, they kicked the SNM out. So how was the SNM working for Ethiopia. Moron

Ps, can you provide some evidence to show that all the major Hawiye cities were destroyed but the SNA?

I didn't say Hawiye suffered as much, though they did nonetheless. I'm probably the most anti qabiil guy you could find on this site. Anyway, I don't understand right and wrong? I said it twice now, what Barre did was horrendous. I saw the pictures of the bones of children. Why would I support that? Ethiopia backed them with military support. The fact that you said "our" suggests you're a supporter of SNA. In other words, a hypocrite. You hate Somalis supporting Siad, but support the SNA. They took land belonging to Somalia and the government had to take them back. If you provide shelter to terrorists, it's obvious what would happen. What Barre did was horrible, the SNA basically asked for it and got civilians involved. Also, every major city of Somaliland wasn't bombed. Rahenwheyn had a lot of their fertile land taken, pushed to outskirts. I say that's arguably worse because they don't even have a state which they own.

[skywalker25]

Nice analogy, except you forget that the Barre regime owned the areas which SNM invaded. So that example falls quite quick. Now, I haven't, in any way, denied what Barre did. I even said it was horrendous. But to deny that there are atrocities on the side of SNM is just hypocritical. The leaders of those areas were asked to stop housing them, they refused. As bad as what Barre did, was he meant to just hand his northern coastal areas to a rebel group backed by Ethiopia? Every Somali tribe attacked you? You have some strange paranoia. The Hawiye were also attacked, and so were Rahanweyn(arguably worse). It's the reason a civil war broke out. Many Somalis were victims of Siad Barre, don't act as though Somaliland is free of blame.

What exactly are we debating about. Adigu you are Hutu who 30 years later is still up to his usual biliqo and isbaroo. Your moral compass has never worked. Getting you to understand simple right and wrong is like asking a career criminal to become a law abiding citizen. You just don't want to understand basic logic. Your tribe specialises in burning elderly people from small tribes.

Ethiopia allowed the Isaaq fighters to use OUR lands inside Ethiopia and when Barre made peace with them by giving them the Somali region, they kicked the SNM out. So how was the SNM working for Ethiopia. Moron

Ps, can you provide some evidence to show that all the major Hawiye cities were destroyed but the SNA?

I didn't say Hawiye suffered as much, though they did nonetheless. I'm probably the most anti qabiil guy you could find on this site. Anyway, I don't understand right and wrong? I said it twice now, what Barre did was horrendous. I saw the pictures of the bones of children. Why would I support that? Ethiopia backed them with military support. The fact that you said "our" suggests you're a supporter of SNA. In other words, a hypocrite. You hate Somalis supporting Siad, but support the SNA. They took land belonging to Somalia and the government had to take them back. If you provide shelter to terrorists, it's obvious what would happen. What Barre did was horrible, the SNA basically asked for it and got civilians involved. Also, every major city of Somaliland wasn't bombed. Rahenwheyn had a lot of their fertile land taken, pushed to outskirts. I say that's arguably worse because they don't even have a state which they own.

You keep moving the goal post. Your first claim was the SNM was somehow equal to what Barre did, it wasn't.

You then claimed, Barre was justified in killing the civilians as they were housing SNM fighters, stupid dumb logic.

Then you parroted the usual Darod line of claiming because Ethiopia and the SNM had mutual enemy, they were one and the same. Pretty silly as the Ethiopians kicked the SNM out once they settled their difference with Barre. Which means past that stated goal they had no other relationship.

No, you want to compare deaths of people to a few farms looted. Which strangely enough are today in your tribes possession. Is this a ploy for u to refuse handing those stolen farms back.

A fockin Habar Gider claiming the moral high ground. Tell me in what world does losing a few plots of land equate to having three, yes three of your major cities levelled to the ground. As well as the whole population being made to travel for days and become refugees?

Listen, you can brand yourself with whatever label you're comfortable with, but we didn't come down with yesterday's rain. Shifting the blame and absolving your Hutu nation just because you changed sides in the 90th minute when the game was about to finish won't fool anyone.



Ps, I think you should have some hot chocolate and read my post again. At no time have i claimed to have supported the SNA.

[Khalid Ali]

There is nothing to understand. As long as seccessionists, not reer waqooyi, support secession, we shall always be diametrically opposed. Showing their clear opposition is a good thing, we know where they stand. But seccionism is not important for the moment. We shall deal with them when the time comes.

It is the manifest destiny of Somalis to be under one national flag. The color doesn't matter and who heads it doesn't matter. For me I could not careless if it was the SL flag with the tawhid (a beautiful touch), or the blue flag with the white star. By guile or by force we shall be together!

The union was permanent but incomplete, there are still missing parts!

and thats why we will always fight you i like your honesty for us somaliland independende is holy. we know that we shall never be to gether i even believe we will never have normal relations with the south. hence why we will do everything to bring u down. and u will do everything to stop our cause to be separate. its not because we hate our dislike we love our people more we trusted u one time and we know what happened. we believe we re fundemantally different people who really share nothing apart from a language. its been 26 years in 5 years time the somaliland independennce hiatory will by pass the cancerous union era of 30 years. thats after we are done with farmaajo and hopefuly we will be led by general moses the messiah. may allah be with us.

[Strategic]

Moses the messiah

[SultanOrder]

There is nothing to understand. As long as seccessionists, not reer waqooyi, support secession, we shall always be diametrically opposed. Showing their clear opposition is a good thing, we know where they stand. But seccionism is not important for the moment. We shall deal with them when the time comes.

It is the manifest destiny of Somalis to be under one national flag. The color doesn't matter and who heads it doesn't matter. For me I could not careless if it was the SL flag with the tawhid (a beautiful touch), or the blue flag with the white star. By guile or by force we shall be together!

The union was permanent but incomplete, there are still missing parts!

and thats why we will always fight you i like your honesty for us somaliland independende is holy. we know that we shall never be to gether i even believe we will never have normal relations with the south. hence why we will do everything to bring u down. and u will do everything to stop our cause to be separate. its not because we hate our dislike we love our people more we trusted u one time and we know what happened. we believe we re fundemantally different people who really share nothing apart from a language. its been 26 years in 5 years time the somaliland independennce hiatory will by pass the cancerous union era of 30 years. thats after we are done with farmaajo and hopefuly we will be led by general moses the messiah. may allah be with us.

Indeed, we shall do everything we can to stop you. And even if you succeed, we shall bring you back even by force. We shall never let you go. It is an existential imperative to have you. A house divided can not stand. So enjoy what little freedom you have now. Moses, Jesus, or Mohamed can not save you!

[random1234567]

What exactly are we debating about. Adigu you are Hutu who 30 years later is still up to his usual biliqo and isbaroo. Your moral compass has never worked. Getting you to understand simple right and wrong is like asking a career criminal to become a law abiding citizen. You just don't want to understand basic logic. Your tribe specialises in burning elderly people from small tribes.

Ethiopia allowed the Isaaq fighters to use OUR lands inside Ethiopia and when Barre made peace with them by giving them the Somali region, they kicked the SNM out. So how was the SNM working for Ethiopia. Moron

Ps, can you provide some evidence to show that all the major Hawiye cities were destroyed but the SNA?

I didn't say Hawiye suffered as much, though they did nonetheless. I'm probably the most anti qabiil guy you could find on this site. Anyway, I don't understand right and wrong? I said it twice now, what Barre did was horrendous. I saw the pictures of the bones of children. Why would I support that? Ethiopia backed them with military support. The fact that you said "our" suggests you're a supporter of SNA. In other words, a hypocrite. You hate Somalis supporting Siad, but support the SNA. They took land belonging to Somalia and the government had to take them back. If you provide shelter to terrorists, it's obvious what would happen. What Barre did was horrible, the SNA basically asked for it and got civilians involved. Also, every major city of Somaliland wasn't bombed. Rahenwheyn had a lot of their fertile land taken, pushed to outskirts. I say that's arguably worse because they don't even have a state which they own.

You keep moving the goal post. Your first claim was the SNM was somehow equal to what Barre did, it wasn't.

You then claimed, Barre was justified in killing the civilians as they were housing SNM fighters, stupid dumb logic.

Then you parroted the usual Darod line of claiming because Ethiopia and the SNM had mutual enemy, they were one and the same. Pretty silly as the Ethiopians kicked the SNM out once they settled their difference with Barre. Which means past that stated goal they had no other relationship.

No, you want to compare deaths of people to a few farms looted. Which strangely enough are today in your tribes possession. Is this a ploy for u to refuse handing those stolen farms back.

A fockin Habar Gider claiming the moral high ground. Tell me in what world does losing a few plots of land equate to having three, yes three of your major cities levelled to the ground. As well as the whole population being made to travel for days and become refugees?

Listen, you can brand yourself with whatever label you're comfortable with, but we didn't come down with yesterday's rain. Shifting the blame and absolving your Hutu nation just because you changed sides in the 90th minute when the game was about to finish won't fool anyone.



Ps, I think you should have some hot chocolate and read my post again. At no time have i claimed to have supported the SNA.

Quote me and show me where I said what they did is equal. Well, I didn't justify what he did at all. But give a good solution to the predicament he was facing. The SNM fighters were given shelter. Shelter while they took cities belonging to Somalia. What should he have done? Don't bring your emotional rants into this and genuinely tell me. If you give your home to terrorists, you're going to suffer their fate. How does getting kicked by Ethiopia prove, or help in any way, your point? Fact is, you were supported by the enemy of Somalia. You were armed by them. Of course, to the government, you're a terrorist group. So yes, they're going to attack you. And those sheltering you have should have listened to warnings. But carry on with your narrow, emotional thinking. "We were bombed, we're innocent" is all that comes out of you and Somaliland secession supporters mouths. "Few farms looted". Honestly, you're a disgusting hypocrite and nobody will take you seriously. Getting pushed to outskirts and having no fertile land plus having little to no representation in the government is way worse than anything that happened to Somaliland. And your three cities weren't "leveled". Overplaying a bit don't you think? Seems that you assumed I'm Habar Gidr. I'm Duduble and I could care less about Qabiil. It means nothing to the new generation of Somalis. The whole population became refugees? That's a new one. Where did these huge numbers of refugees run off to? Since this incident you speak of is non existent. There were no large numbers of refugees due to this. Barre was responsible and so were SNM. No need to be a hypocrite.

[26June1960]

There is nothing to understand. As long as seccessionists, not reer waqooyi, support secession, we shall always be diametrically opposed. Showing their clear opposition is a good thing, we know where they stand. But seccionism is not important for the moment. We shall deal with them when the time comes.

It is the manifest destiny of Somalis to be under one national flag. The color doesn't matter and who heads it doesn't matter. For me I could not careless if it was the SL flag with the tawhid (a beautiful touch), or the blue flag with the white star. By guile or by force we shall be together!

The union was permanent but incomplete, there are still missing parts!

and thats why we will always fight you i like your honesty for us somaliland independende is holy. we know that we shall never be to gether i even believe we will never have normal relations with the south. hence why we will do everything to bring u down. and u will do everything to stop our cause to be separate. its not because we hate our dislike we love our people more we trusted u one time and we know what happened. we believe we re fundemantally different people who really share nothing apart from a language. its been 26 years in 5 years time the somaliland independennce hiatory will by pass the cancerous union era of 30 years. thats after we are done with farmaajo and hopefuly we will be led by general moses the messiah. may allah be with us.

Indeed, we shall do everything we can to stop you. And even if you succeed, we shall bring you back even by force. We shall never let you go. It is an existential imperative to have you. A house divided can not stand. So enjoy what little freedom you have now. Moses, Jesus, or Mohamed can not save you!

In the end, that is what it will come down to. Isaaq are willing to claim Non-Isaaq territories as their own and even die for. In return, Non-Isaaq Somalis will have to claim Isaaq territories as their own and even die for.

May the strongest side win.

[Khalid Ali]

yes indeed sultan labadeena is fahanay and war will come we will.make sure we kill more of you. and we will always be ready we will make sure that u remain broken and that your foes will eat u alive whether its us or the other neighbors. tell that to your cousin murax who wants to remain political correct. the issue is we will not rest until you no longer exist. and surely we do Not rely on any one else only on the strength of our own people. and thats a promise. anigu i have said it before anaga and u one more war ba isugu keen hadhay and i am so happy this time i am old enough to witness it. here on the shores of berbera. just wait a few more months when we elect the commander in chief mujahid messiah moses. who will make sure he is on the fore front but this time as the waliyal amr of the sadaat nation.

[SultanOrder]

yes indeed sultan labadeena is fahanay and war will come we will.make sure we kill more of you. and we will always be ready we will make sure that u remain broken and that your foes will eat u alive whether its us or the other neighbors. tell that to your cousin murax who wants to remain political correct. the issue is we will not rest until you no longer exist. and surely we do Not rely on any one else only on the strength of our own people. and thats a promise. anigu i have said it before anaga and u one more war ba isugu keen hadhay and i am so happy this time i am old enough to witness it. here on the shores of berbera. just wait a few more months when we elect the commander in chief mujahid messiah moses. who will make sure he is on the fore front but this time as the waliyal amr of the sadaat nation.

Lol caadi iska dhig. We don't care about SL for the moment. Elect whoever you want. We have bigger fish to fry than your delusionals.

[JSL3000]

What exactly are we debating about. Adigu you are Hutu who 30 years later is still up to his usual biliqo and isbaroo. Your moral compass has never worked. Getting you to understand simple right and wrong is like asking a career criminal to become a law abiding citizen. You just don't want to understand basic logic. Your tribe specialises in burning elderly people from small tribes.

Ethiopia allowed the Isaaq fighters to use OUR lands inside Ethiopia and when Barre made peace with them by giving them the Somali region, they kicked the SNM out. So how was the SNM working for Ethiopia. Moron

Ps, can you provide some evidence to show that all the major Hawiye cities were destroyed but the SNA?

I didn't say Hawiye suffered as much, though they did nonetheless. I'm probably the most anti qabiil guy you could find on this site. Anyway, I don't understand right and wrong? I said it twice now, what Barre did was horrendous. I saw the pictures of the bones of children. Why would I support that? Ethiopia backed them with military support. The fact that you said "our" suggests you're a supporter of SNA. In other words, a hypocrite. You hate Somalis supporting Siad, but support the SNA. They took land belonging to Somalia and the government had to take them back. If you provide shelter to terrorists, it's obvious what would happen. What Barre did was horrible, the SNA basically asked for it and got civilians involved. Also, every major city of Somaliland wasn't bombed. Rahenwheyn had a lot of their fertile land taken, pushed to outskirts. I say that's arguably worse because they don't even have a state which they own.

You keep moving the goal post. Your first claim was the SNM was somehow equal to what Barre did, it wasn't.

You then claimed, Barre was justified in killing the civilians as they were housing SNM fighters, stupid dumb logic.

Then you parroted the usual Darod line of claiming because Ethiopia and the SNM had mutual enemy, they were one and the same. Pretty silly as the Ethiopians kicked the SNM out once they settled their difference with Barre. Which means past that stated goal they had no other relationship.

No, you want to compare deaths of people to a few farms looted. Which strangely enough are today in your tribes possession. Is this a ploy for u to refuse handing those stolen farms back.

A fockin Habar Gider claiming the moral high ground. Tell me in what world does losing a few plots of land equate to having three, yes three of your major cities levelled to the ground. As well as the whole population being made to travel for days and become refugees?

Listen, you can brand yourself with whatever label you're comfortable with, but we didn't come down with yesterday's rain. Shifting the blame and absolving your Hutu nation just because you changed sides in the 90th minute when the game was about to finish won't fool anyone.



Ps, I think you should have some hot chocolate and read my post again. At no time have i claimed to have supported the SNA.

[Xildiiid]

There is nothing to understand. As long as seccessionists, not reer waqooyi, support secession, we shall always be diametrically opposed. Showing their clear opposition is a good thing, we know where they stand. But seccionism is not important for the moment. We shall deal with them when the time comes.

It is the manifest destiny of Somalis to be under one national flag. The color doesn't matter and who heads it doesn't matter. For me I could not careless if it was the SL flag with the tawhid (a beautiful touch), or the blue flag with the white star. By guile or by force we shall be together!

The union was permanent but incomplete, there are still missing parts!

We cant secede from something we were not part of.


Juridically, the union didn't exist. Something that doesn't exist cannot be permanent.

War between Somaliland and Zoomalia is inevitable.

[Django]

War between Somaliland and Somalia is inevitable kulaha.

[Dhulbahantking]

its a war u will never win when u cant even defeaat a subclan of dhulbahant reer hagar. u cant take on a harti union wallahi.stop being delusional and wave the blue flag high so we can bomb u again like 88 siad barre nephew is in charge give us 4 years and we will see if we hear of the worst fairytale ever no happy ending ictiraaf chasers.