Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court

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Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court

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DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:45 am
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:27 am
DalJecel60 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:15 pm This guy cannot be Serious. Xamar doesn't belong to Any specific Qabiil wa Xarunti Dalka and it will remain a MultiQabil City until It ceases to be the Capital and Allah baan ka baryeeyna that it continues to be Magalo madaxdi Somalida regardless of Qabil
Adeer Xamar waa goof Abgaal :lol: :lol:

Mudulloodka kale iyo Madarkicis haddii ay wax u ogol yihiin bal inta kale xoogoo ha sugaan :lol: :lol:
Ina Adeerow Saas magalomadax kuma haysankartid Xamarna ma ahan magaalo beeleed!
Marka waxaad leedahay caasimadda aan qabyaaladda ka dhaafno, lkn waddanka intiisa kale aan isaga walaaqano? :lol:
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Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court

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TheblueNwhite wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:35 am I read somewhere that the 'Xawo' in Beled Xawo is an Abgaal lady.
Her name was Xaawo Cismaan Gureey (Cali Dheere/Marehan) and she died in 2011 in Beledul-Amiin village just outside of Beled-Xaawo. Her and her Majerteen husband built the first settlement in Beled-Xaawo after leaving Dolo. She was well respected and called Mama Xaawo in Gedo.

http://www.keydmedia.net/news/article/h ... eriyootay/

http://www.allgedo.com/2011/07/10/hawee ... eriyootay/
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Good to know. :)
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Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court

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Voltage wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:26 pm

With regards to Mogadishu, it was and is the largest commercial center. It's not a village. People lost hanti and wealth they invested personally and they want it back

That's fine, like I stated Kacaan documents alone are no proof, even from Shariah perspective it doesn't hold up in an Islamic court.

Everyone knows whom lived in the land historically and when Darood and other groups migrated to it, you need to bring two proof's for your claims to hold any kind of merit and not be classed as the typical Booli Qaran boob which caused much of the resentments to begin with.

1) Documents of whom you brought the land/property from includes witnesses of relatives that can testify on their behalf and prove the land belonged to them in the first place.

2) If this is from the Kacaan era, witnesses are required whom the Kacaan bought the properties from initially, any relatives that are alive that can testify to this deal being done, this will rule out 'booli qaran' claimants.


If both conditions can't be met, your claim is null and void, in a court of law or in an Islamic court. The fast majority of claimants will fall in these categories, most lived in so called government homes which don't belong to them anyway, and only a government that has the trust of the people can lay claim to these.

It's not just Galinsoor, all the big cities properties whether private or state owned have been stolen from others from Hargaisa, Kismaayo, Gaalkacayo, Bosaaso etc.

All the ports and state assets that were built using the Tax's of the citizens from Kismaayo/Bosaaso/Hargaisa are not in government hands, yet no one is talking about bringing them under government control, but yet crying about mostly government homes built for by tax payer monies on mostly looted lands and distributed unfairly in Xamar, see the hypocrisy here?

So far the money that comes from Mogadishu port/airport goes into the government coffers, nothing else! You agree with this hypocritical approach? how can a dude in P/land with all the former government assets/ports that uses it for his own gains, and similar to those in S/land and Hargaisa even talk about supposed looted properties in Xamar? you can't see this blatant hypocrisy? assets worth 1000x are looted and monopolised by them and you want to talk about homes?
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Let's be honest, modern conceptualization of property and Somalis idea of property aren't compatible. Somalis are nomadic people so they had tribal territories. That doesn't apply in big cities. Xamar grew rapidly in a few decades. People did not own the property in deeds, especially the uninhabited parts. The government would give out plots of land, usually 20 by 20 m to anyone that would build on it. No one tribe got land, all Somalis were able to get it. As for already developed sections of the city, there were records.

People on here act like there aren't paper trails and witnesses. Every tribe lost property in the civil war. Every tribe is invested in lawful means of procuring their property.
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TheblueNwhite wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:35 am I read somewhere that the 'Xawo' in Beled Xawo is an Abgaal lady.
She was rer Axmed/Mareehan.
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CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:09 am
DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:45 am
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:27 am

Adeer Xamar waa goof Abgaal :lol: :lol:

Mudulloodka kale iyo Madarkicis haddii ay wax u ogol yihiin bal inta kale xoogoo ha sugaan :lol: :lol:
Ina Adeerow Saas magalomadax kuma haysankartid Xamarna ma ahan magaalo beeleed!
Marka waxaad leedahay caasimadda aan qabyaaladda ka dhaafno, lkn waddanka intiisa kale aan isaga walaaqano? :lol:
Dee ninyahow Qoloba deegan beey leedahay. Gobolkasta magalo madeexeda needs deqabilization

Hargeysa Qolokasta dagta!
Garowe iyo Boosaaso wala wada degan yahay
Gaalkacyo xaaladeeda ha iska qasnatee walasla degnyahay
Kismayo iyo Jowhar hal qoolo ma degna kaliye

It's already a half reality ninyahow!
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How can you equate Berbera/Bosasso port with someone's house? :?
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DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:46 pm
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:09 am
DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:45 am

Ina Adeerow Saas magalomadax kuma haysankartid Xamarna ma ahan magaalo beeleed!
Marka waxaad leedahay caasimadda aan qabyaaladda ka dhaafno, lkn waddanka intiisa kale aan isaga walaaqano? :lol:
Dee ninyahow Qoloba deegan beey leedahay. Gobolkasta magalo madeexeda needs deqabilization

Hargeysa Qolokasta dagta!
Garowe iyo Boosaaso wala wada degan yahay
Gaalkacyo xaaladeeda ha iska qasnatee walasla degnyahay
Kismayo iyo Jowhar hal qoolo ma degna kaliye

It's already a half reality ninyahow!
Magaalooyinkaa sheegtoo dhan qolyo isku dhow, oo is ogol ayaa dagan; lkn Xamar waxaa rabtaa inay Soomaaliweyn oo dhan sheegato (mana diidani!)

In Isaaq Burco iyo Hargeysa isku ogolyihiin, Hartina Garowe iyo Boosaaso isku ogolyihiin waxaa la mid ahaan karta (Equivalency) in Abgaal uu Hiraab u ogolyahay Banaadir!

But why not go all the way, and de-tribelize the whole country instead of just the Capital?
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Well said Cali Qase.
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CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:23 pm
DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:46 pm
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:09 am

Marka waxaad leedahay caasimadda aan qabyaaladda ka dhaafno, lkn waddanka intiisa kale aan isaga walaaqano? :lol:
Dee ninyahow Qoloba deegan beey leedahay. Gobolkasta magalo madeexeda needs deqabilization

Hargeysa Qolokasta dagta!
Garowe iyo Boosaaso wala wada degan yahay
Gaalkacyo xaaladeeda ha iska qasnatee walasla degnyahay
Kismayo iyo Jowhar hal qoolo ma degna kaliye

It's already a half reality ninyahow!
Magaalooyinkaa sheegtoo dhan qolyo isku dhow, oo is ogol ayaa dagan; lkn Xamar waxaa rabtaa inay Soomaaliweyn oo dhan sheegato (mana diidani!)

In Isaaq Burco iyo Hargeysa isku ogolyihiin, Hartina Garowe iyo Boosaaso isku ogolyihiin waxaa la mid ahaan karta (Equivalency) in Abgaal uu Hiraab u ogolyahay Banaadir!

But why not go all the way, and de-tribelize the whole country instead of just the Capital?
Lagu Fahmay Ina Adeer Lakin Xamar halaga Bilaabo. The KacaanEra Wala Isla dagi jiray.
Xasan Farah Abshir oo Majeerteen ah ba ahan jiray duqa Magaalada! The thing is wallahi waxaan maqli jidhay
People saying Xamar ban dagi laha laakin guuri kamaan gateen. Trustki isla degnansha hadii Xamar looga boqayo Wadanka kale kawadhan
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there r two kinds of disputes

we all know kacaan was a socialist Govt but since the 80s it has been a corrupt Govt

there are indigenous owners of nationalized proberties and farms mainly from murursade, arabs and jareer

this policy was started by General daud who was a wacaysle(used to fight with murursade on wardhiigley) he turned all the murursade western part of xamar into army bases

from wardhiigley where villa somalia is located used to be a murursade goof, hawlwadaag, to hodan including daynile that was part of hodan

when abdirashid sharmarke was assassinated, murursade refused to be bured in their side bc there was a murursade police man who dead in qardho and the mjs refused to be bured in their town

it used to be like that; tribal lands

this is the case of general bulxan, a mx driver for siyaad barre family who was given to a public land that was belonging to an arab family but has been called haamaha qashinka since it was nationalized

the arab family took back their land and sold it to a HG family

alot of mxs own public farms in balcad and shalabood

alot of mxs came bavk and sold their old proberties to hawadle and other clans, this has caused fight between them and HG at siliga marayksanka area(nasteexo) because HG uses the indigenous ownners

for this reason, Hormuud avoids the mx shareholders bc of is qabqabsi

the other kind r true Darod, isaaq, minority proberties for people who worked hard and had no links to the old regime. they r found more in kaasa balbalaara and huriwaa and xamarwayne
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sahal80 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:29 am there r two kinds of disputes

we all know kacaan was a socialist Govt but since the 80s it has been a corrupt Govt

there are indigenous owners of nationalized proberties and farms mainly from murursade, arabs and jareer

this policy was started by General daud who was a wacaysle(used to fight with murursade on wardhiigley) he turned all the murursade western part of xamar into army bases

from wardhiigley where villa somalia is located used to be a murursade goof, hawlwadaag, to hodan including daynile that was part of hodan

when abdirashid sharmarke was assassinated, murursade refused to be bured in their side bc there was a murursade police man who dead in qardho and the mjs refused to be bured in their town

it used to be like that; tribal lands

this is the case of general bulxan, a mx driver for siyaad barre family who was given to a public land that was belonging to an arab family but has been called haamaha qashinka since it was nationalized

the arab family took back their land and sold it to a HG family

alot of mxs own public farms in balcad and shalabood

alot of mxs came bavk and sold their old proberties to hawadle and other clans, this has caused fight between them and HG at siliga marayksanka area(nasteexo) because HG uses the indigenous ownners

for this reason, Hormuud avoids the mx shareholders bc of is qabqabsi

the other kind r true Darod, isaaq, minority proberties for people who worked hard and had no links to the old regime. they r found more in kaasa balbalaara and huriwaa and xamarwayne
Why do you talk of things you have no clue in? Historically murusade only resided in dayniile. The rest of the city apart from xamaweyne, shingani, abdiaziis was wacbudhan goof mainly reer mataan and Da'uud. Wardhiigley was a mataan abdulle goof and the land villa somalia sits on where owned by a Duuliye mataan woman. Forgot her name.

Even wardhiigley got it's name from a bloody war where Reer mataan fought Wacdaan. And wacdaan later got expelled from xamar to Afgooye where they reside to this day.

Marka aamus taariikh waxba kama taqaanide.
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Re: Murusade accuse Sade MP of stealing their land with help from high court

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DalJecel60 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:57 am
CaliQaseV2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:23 pm
DalJecel60 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:46 pm

Dee ninyahow Qoloba deegan beey leedahay. Gobolkasta magalo madeexeda needs deqabilization

Hargeysa Qolokasta dagta!
Garowe iyo Boosaaso wala wada degan yahay
Gaalkacyo xaaladeeda ha iska qasnatee walasla degnyahay
Kismayo iyo Jowhar hal qoolo ma degna kaliye

It's already a half reality ninyahow!
Magaalooyinkaa sheegtoo dhan qolyo isku dhow, oo is ogol ayaa dagan; lkn Xamar waxaa rabtaa inay Soomaaliweyn oo dhan sheegato (mana diidani!)

In Isaaq Burco iyo Hargeysa isku ogolyihiin, Hartina Garowe iyo Boosaaso isku ogolyihiin waxaa la mid ahaan karta (Equivalency) in Abgaal uu Hiraab u ogolyahay Banaadir!

But why not go all the way, and de-tribelize the whole country instead of just the Capital?
Lagu Fahmay Ina Adeer Lakin Xamar halaga Bilaabo. The KacaanEra Wala Isla dagi jiray.
Xasan Farah Abshir oo Majeerteen ah ba ahan jiray duqa Magaalada! The thing is wallahi waxaan maqli jidhay
People saying Xamar ban dagi laha laakin guuri kamaan gateen. Trustki isla degnansha hadii Xamar looga boqayo Wadanka kale kawadhan
It can be started in the capital if the plan is to expand it to the rest of the country!
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