Typical Daarood changing the goal post when get caught. So your logic is the entire Garxajid and Arab directly border some Ogaden Subclan the Maxamad Subeer and Makaahiil, ? Why are you discounting the rest of the Ogaden? Your logic is they don't share direct border. We can apply the same logic to Garxajid and Arab 70% of them don't directly border the Ogaden yet you collectively included them!BestPlaya wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:46 amDon't resort to your silly tactics.Do NOT try to Compare Darood to iidoor(a sub clan of Dir though they disown their origin) .I think we are discussing the history of the hawd.So,it should be Iidoor versus Ogaden .Or more specifically ( HY +ciidagale +Arab) versus (ree isaaq+ Ree cabdille +Makaahiil).Majority of Sacad Muse,Ciise Muuse and Habar Jeclo had nothing to do with this Ogaden.Similarly, other Major Ogaden Clans such as Cabdalle,Cawdaaq,Cawlyahan,Bah Geri,Ree Maxamad ,Muuse gumacadle and majority of Ree Cabdille don't even meet or share border with Iidoor.X.Playa wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:36 pmIn the Rayyad wars Habar Yonis captured much of Doollo which was then a grazing land with 7 prominent wells;wal Waal ,Ubataale,wardheer,Danood .These wells were shared by Ree Cabdille Cideed and Makahil .After the Gubaabo of Cali DhuuxThey recaptured Doollo from HY and the nearest place they can be found today is north of Danood.During the Rayyad ,The Ciidgale with the Help of HY captured Bulaale and this when they killed the Arsi scholar and the two Ogaden sheikhs
M.C.Dage recited this poem talking about Ogaden reconquest
Ogaden Danood Digiyo Durugsay Ceelkii dheh
Iidoor dalaalimo kawaa Doollo iyo Ciid dheh
Umar Australia ,a Sacad muse poet, sarcastically told the Garxajis that looting camels Sacad muse is like Garxajis raiding Danood ( Abraahin stronghold with largest 'haro' in Doollo region.) which is quite impossible.
Abtiyaal waxaydaan heli karin ha isku hiifina'e
Halba anigoo nin u dilay habelna dheeraaday
Waydinkoo Danood Habeen madow soo hintiqiseene
Don't lie about history ,other than the Rayyad wars ,Ciidagale hardly meet any Ogaden clan other Ree Cali.Ree Cali .Ree Haarun Bari share border with Habar Yonis and Not Ciidagale.As for Amxaaro siding with Huwan(Ree Cali) and killing the Ciidagale, This why people despise your revisionism. Ree Cali or Huwan may got firearms from the Habesha but they never sought their help in the Dhurwaale massacre .To burst your bubble, We don't say the British invaded us during the Rayyad era even though they heavily armed you and that not secret .Hadaba caqligaa hadanu kuu raacno oo markaa tiraahdo Dhurwaale xabashi ayaa na Xasuuqday anagana Doollo waxaa Inaga Maroorsaday Ingiriiska kadib intaanan dib u hintiqiseene
Revisionism is defined as " the theory or practice of revising one's attitude to a previously accepted situation or point of view." and its obvious who is disputing all the text of these poems.
Your Daarood have attempted to modify what was previously accepted, specially during the Somali republic days and the heydays of Daaroodism. We Isaaq just stick to the facts and most of it can be gleaned from Somali poetry itself.
Now having lost all the argument ( assuming you had one to begin with) are now resorting to splitting hair. The Cabdi Ciise after relentlessly chasing the Ogaden to Bulaale had mistaken an Amxare garrison for an Ogaden encampment, this is not even in dispute most of your elder Ogaden don't even dispute this Sangub been one and the nephew of Aflow in taping some of Aflow's poetry he stated the obvious that the Cabdi Ciise attacked the Amxaara, Sangub's version is slightly different in it he said the Cabdi Ciise wanted to get the Amxaara arms and follow the fleeing Ogaden. So far you are just crying in desperation but ate not able to dispute any of these facts which are within the poems themselves.
About Cumar Dage yes he said those words but the question is when? And how? The answer is after 1935 the Ogaden used their Italian connection through their Daarood kins in the Italian military to get arms and assistance to dislodge the Habar Yoonis. The Italian army was full of Daarood from Ogaden, Mareexaan and Majeerteen.
Yawl stating the obvious to the boastful Cumar Dage replied:
Daratoole iyo Caado oo wada diraabaaya
Danbar kulule daahyaalihii Deero laga qaaday
Markii udubkayagu daadsanaa Daaqatiyo Faafan
Ee geelayagu diisha dheer daaqa ka idleeyey
Goortuu dubbuu nagaga dhacay Dalalna ooyaayey
Duqa Cali ogaadeen markuu diradiraynaayey
Daa'ima caruura iyo markuu doqon ku sheegaayey
Dorraad hadalku waakii ahaa Doollo laga qaadye
Ma dabkii Talyaanigu qubaa daafad kugu biirshey?
Again Yawle replying to Cabdi Gahayr in the same year where the later accused the Habar Yoonis in getting soft on the Daarood Yawle replied:
Cosobkiyo hadduu geelayagu, Caado kor u dhaafo
Ogaadeen ciqaabkiyo nabsiga, iyo culuqu waw yiille
Iyagaba raggii caagganaa, looma caabudane
Cumar Dheere iyo baa la diley, culimadoodiiye
Cadad maleh intuu Reer Ugaas, cunay waraabuuye.
Markuu Cali ku maansoonayey, ee ciil la hoganaayey
Cabdilliyo Makaahiil miyaan, ciidan laga waayin
Miyaanaan Cammuud iyo Wardheer, calan ka laalaadin
Miyaannaan Biciidyahan cantaray, curub ka kawsiinnin
Miyaan Caliyo Haaruun ka qixin, cidhifki Laamaale
Cabaadkii Ogaadeen miyaanu, ciidda mari waayin
Cusbaale iyo Xananley miyaan, coodan lagu qaybsan
Miyaanaan caroofiga xeryaha, cayn walbuu gelinnin
Curdankiyo sagaarada miyaan, caydhu ku ekaannin?
Intii aan Talyaanigu cammirin, cidhifyadaa kaynta
Miyaannaan cadceed iyo cadceed, celinnin Daaroodka?
Despite the Italians the Habar Yoonis continued to push till they reached Cagaarweyne and Galaadi. And Wardheer fighting the MJ and Ogaden Makaahiil there resulting in another poetic chain Daarood-Ku-Xaar ( where The Daarood have defecated) . After the Daarood suffered a huge lost all Habar Yoonis poet, Yawle (muse ismaaciil) , Cismaan Indhoole ( Muse Cabdalle) , Cilmi Liig ( Cali Siciid) and Kaahin Feedhole6( Xirsi Cismaan) all partook in those celebratory poems.
The point is obvious, your Daarood elders had to invent a new reality and make excuses for this dominate 1 Isaaq subclan over all the Daarood, even the Mareexaan didn't escape the H.Y reign of terror the few skinny useless cows they had were taken in Ribadle north west of Baladweyn. So a new narrative had to be created which most of it is based " ingiriis baa la socday iyo Chinese baa caawiyey Isaaq " how else can they explain despite their boastful claim of numbering in the millions the epic h.y Katbaash that lasted over 25 years. Lol
About Numbers ? l will repeat it again. Since there is no reliable population data of Somali population let me give you a big hint of your population estimate by comparing the registered voters from Somaliland and NFD. In Somaliland ,the registered iidoor voters are 620k by estimate (l will tell how l arrived to this estimation). In NFD Ogaden managed to register 200k + 20k from Eastleigh and other regions.If Kenyan OGs alone managed to equal 1/3of total Iidoor registered votes then what do you think Of Ogaden in Ethiopia who are half of the total population of Somalis in DDSI.I haven't mentioned those who are in Jubaland!
The Sacad Yoonis, Muuse Cabdalle, Ugaadh Cumar, Ba Dhulbahante, Gadhweyn, Qaasin Isxaaq., eastern Muuse Care, all these clan and the majority of Ciidagale or eastern Ciidagale don't border the Ogaden. Why cherry pick when it comes to your Ogaden and at the same time lump the entire Garxajid and Arab together.
I can further piss on your convenient Daarood logic and say that the Majority Harti be it Majeerteen, Dhulbahante and Warsangali border the H.Y in the east from Laas Qori to Oog and in the Hawd.
We can even extend your logic and convincingly argue both Harti and Ogaden only border few Garxajid sub clans and almost 90% of Isaaq share no border with your Daarood.
Your beloved voters registrations population estimates is meaningless in the Somali context clans compete and over register or over vote its never reliable.
What is reliable is is the general estimate of cities and Isaaq always had 2 out of the four largest Somali cities no other clan can demonstrate such obvious exhibition of population. There are more Isaaq in Hargaysa alone then there is Daarood in the entire Somali republic including puntland and Jubaland + Gedo Lol.
