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Re: Mooge begs kenya to normalize relations at a time it bombs on his region!

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Gubbet wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:27 pm Pat,

Mursal was an egomaniac, power hungry, greedy, shortsighted, and a really, really, really petty character. That is why he ended up dying where he came from; Afdheer and Ogaden were single handedly became irrelevant in thr entire upper Jubba and eastern Jubba becoming only relevant to Afmadoow district the other end of the Tana watershed where there cows had to access unless they were to become either refugees back to where they came from likr Mursaal or become landless wandering hawkers like the Harti and Isaaq who had no property or lands in the south.

See Pat, this is the historical ignorance that animates so much of Somali calculations that end uo making false choices.

You have no idea what Ahmed Madoobe has done to Ogaadeen name, prestige, and even relevance.

Finally, there is no Marehan national leader that was more interested and ended up working with Madoobe and you guys in recent history.

His father, Sheekh Ahmed, was the Qadi Baardheere long before Siad Barre came to power.

This extremely ironic nd publicly verifiable correction of you should tell you all you need to know about the disinformation at the base of your false grievance.
Voltage are you talking about Abdiraxman Mursal that was also saving Mx @ss from Degodia and Garreh?

You want to rewrite history to present Mx as some kind of powerhouse in Jubbaland while the only visible mx in Jubbaland was upper Jubba which was remote and most of you guys came after you escaped from the Sayid.
Mx never defeated Cawlyihan in one fair fight in juboyinka. You only gained relevance in Juboyinka in under MSB using state resources.

Secondly Sultan Magaan(MZ) was more powerful than Abdiraxman Mursal and he was the Ugaska guud ee waamo from Afmadow to Mundul Baraawe all the way to Lamu and Garissa to Wajir and all the way to Luuq.
Sultan Also killed the British govonor fo Kismaayo.

You can try to re write history but it is recorded unfortunately. :lol:

Cawliyahan had more land than entire mx from Bardheere all the way to luuq into bakool and marsabit and edges of Garissa. Guhaad debunked you 101 times.

I have seen mx using you as a source in every dicussions unfortunately your dishonesty has gone so far that you have blinded your self with greed,deception.

I see Mx as a very small clan that wants to bite more than it can chew. Lets put it this way if Ogaden had left jubbaland and lets say moved to Garissa or DDS. I doubt MX could move in and settle in the land we left because you will be kicked out just like you are facing eviction in mudug(elinsor,dusamareeb, Matabaan, Balambale etc) you would have lost the land we left for you and would come squatting in Garissa and DDS.
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Pat,

This is not a "debate." I have the focking Brirish intelligence reports everybody used to write about these things. They are ONLINE and you can find them just like I found them if yoh want.

Every thing you just wrote is a lie. It is fake oral history.

Even the basic stuff like Marehan were running from the Sayid no that was actually Ogaadeen. ALMOST ALL CAWLYAHAN, BAH GERI, AND MAKAAHIIL CAME AFTER THE MAREHAN GALTI.

How do I know?

It is in thr focking intelligence report, including how manh crossed, how many different crosses, how many focking camels, who was the headman, etc rtc etc.

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Your entire conception about this is fake mythology.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:03 am Pat,

This is not a "debate." I have the focking Brirish intelligence reports everybody used to write about these things. They are ONLINE and you can find them just like I found them if yoh want.

Every thing you just wrote is a lie. It is fake oral history.

Even the basic stuff like Marehan were running from the Sayid no that was actually Ogaadeen. ALMOST ALL CAWLYAHAN, BAH GERI, AND MAKAAHIIL CAME AFTER THE MAREHAN GALTI.

How do I know?

It is in thr focking intelligence report, including how manh crossed, how many different crosses, how many focking camels, who was the headman, etc rtc etc.

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Your entire conception about this is fake mythology.
ok whatever flies I guess mx came to JL before Ogaden and captured Nairobi before the British pushed them out. :lol:
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TeeriReturns wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:54 pm
I see Mx as a very small clan that wants to bite more than it can chew. Lets put it this way if Ogaden had left jubbaland and lets say moved to Garissa or DDS. I doubt MX could move in and settle in the land we left because you will be kicked out just like you are facing eviction in mudug(elinsor,dusamareeb, Matabaan, Balambale etc) you would have lost the land we left for you and would come squatting in Garissa and DDS.
Also, I am not surprised the man whose understanding of the history that concerns him is non-existent is also ignorant about larger Somali history.

Nobody wants Mudug. That's why we have been migrating out for the last 200 years.

The same Cadaado, Gedeys, and Baxdo in the heart of Habar Gidir country is where Rer Ugaas Shermaarke, rer Ahmed Hussein and Murax's reer Ali Hussein were 150 years ago.

Right when they were beginning to join the Galti migration in 1880's, Robecchi went through Mudug and described his travel through them.

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When Ceelashi Mareerguur dried, reer Ahmed , rer Cali Xussein and their oodwadaag reer Ugaas Shermaarke, and reer Cigaal Siyaad joined the Galti migration.

All four of those clans are today almost 100% reer Gedo/Jubbaland.

Nobody wants Matabaan or Gedeys or any of that waste.

You go and have it because we decided 200 years ago to start leaving it to begin with.

And the migration is always from east-west, the more East the Marehan clan js the more they move----because it correlates to CLIMATE CHANGE so the desertification is going east to west.

Now imagjne what all thr land EAST of Marehan Mudug today is where the Marehan in Luuq and Dolloe and Baardheere were moving out from.

Habar Gidir knows the value of what Marehan lefr them which is why they are moving now too when they have the power to find something better in Benadir and Marka.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:23 am
TeeriReturns wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:54 pm
I see Mx as a very small clan that wants to bite more than it can chew. Lets put it this way if Ogaden had left jubbaland and lets say moved to Garissa or DDS. I doubt MX could move in and settle in the land we left because you will be kicked out just like you are facing eviction in mudug(elinsor,dusamareeb, Matabaan, Balambale etc) you would have lost the land we left for you and would come squatting in Garissa and DDS.
Also, I am not surprised the man whose understanding of the history that concerns him is non-existent is also ignorant about larger Somali history.

Nobody wants Mudug. That's why we have been migrating out for the last 200 years.

The same Cadaado, Gedeys, and Baxdo in the heart of Habar Gidir country is where Rer Ugaas Shermaarke, rer Ahmed Hussein and Murax's reer Ali Hussein were 150 years ago.

Right when they were beginning to join the Galti migration in 1880's, Robecchi went through Mudug and described his travel through them.

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When Ceelashi Mareerguur dried, reer Ahmed , rer Cali Xussein and their oodwadaag reer Ugaas Shermaarke, and reer Cigaal Siyaad joined the Galti migration.

All four of those clans are today almost 100% reer Gedo/Jubbaland.

Nobody wants Matabaan or Gedeys or any of that waste.

You go and have it because we decided 200 years ago to start leaving it to begin with.

And the migration is always from east-west, the more East the Marehan clan js the more they move----because it correlates to CLIMATE CHANGE so the desertification is going east to west.

Now imagjne what all thr land EAST of Marehan Mudug today is where the Marehan in Luuq and Dolloe and Baardheere were moving out from.

Habar Gidir knows the value of what Marehan lefr them which is why they are moving now too when they have the power to find something better in Benadir and Marka.
Saxib HG not only kicked tou from Mudug vut also from Shilabo where your kins reside.

Wasnt the war between HG vs Liyu Polis started because of mx?
Secondly most of Mx in Gedo like your folks moved from Shilabo,Wardheer,Nageyle etc.

You guys were living and still live in pockets all across the Ogaden and oromia.
Some living with Bah Geri,Makahil,Malinguur.Its not like majority of mx came from.Mudug. Most of you guys left in 1977 and never settled in refugee camps like the rest of refugees of 1977.

HG are still in dusamareeb and no one left their land.

Your family used to live with bah geri in shilabo and not even mudug.Ina Masaale also came from Shilaabo.MSB from Shilaabo.Its like you majority of you guys that propagate anti ogaden hate were living as magaan under Ogaden.I wouldnt be suprised id Barre Hiraale came from the Ogaden.
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TeeriReturns wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:16 am
Gubbet wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:03 am Pat,

This is not a "debate." I have the focking Brirish intelligence reports everybody used to write about these things. They are ONLINE and you can find them just like I found them if yoh want.

Every thing you just wrote is a lie. It is fake oral history.

Even the basic stuff like Marehan were running from the Sayid no that was actually Ogaadeen. ALMOST ALL CAWLYAHAN, BAH GERI, AND MAKAAHIIL CAME AFTER THE MAREHAN GALTI.

How do I know?

It is in thr focking intelligence report, including how manh crossed, how many different crosses, how many focking camels, who was the headman, etc rtc etc.

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Your entire conception about this is fake mythology.
ok whatever flies I guess mx came to JL before Ogaden and captured Nairobi before the British pushed them out. :lol:
Yes, the Marehan Guri started the migration to be joined by the Talamogo Ogaden when they crossed the Shabelle. Some Amaadin and Maalinguur joined.

The Marehan had vast herds of camels and livestock, the Talomoge that joined were almost destitute which is why they tied themselves to the Marehan grazers.

At around Dawa River the cross and defeat of the Wardeey PROVIDED A LOT OF CAPTURED CATTLE AS LOOT.

Marehan had no use for cattle with their already sufficient large herds of Camels.

The Ogaden lucked out and had no one sharing at least the cattle with them also Marehan did then put a claim on all the other ruminants likr goats and sheep.

The Talomoge gladly agreed eith pleasure sufficiently pleased with their immense gain in cattle.

Because cattle herding was all new to them, the practice started of claiming laborers from the defeated Wardeey to support and teach the process of cattle herding.

Before when these Darod crnteal plateau groups defeated another group, the practice was just take the loot and move on. Now the need to have labor and technology for cattle herding required essentially "indenturing" servants (it wasn't slavery per se) from the defeated csttle herding group.

Different ecological nitch (uppet Jubba is camel country and open plateau, Lower Jubba is wooded with open clearings) and the desire ("greed") for more cattle loot kept the Talomoge and the few Baahale with them keep going and going after the Wardeey as each defeat brought.more cattle loot.

The Marehan Guri had no interest in cattle loot and had sufficient ecological grazing in upprt Jubba so there was no incentive to continue with the other group.

Later, THE GALTI MAREHAN begin the process of following the Guri BEFORE EVEN THE MAD MULLAH BEGIN HIS ACTIVITIES, and in the later groups of the Galti, the Makaahiil, Bah Geri, and Cawlyahan all started to join them. All three of them were on the route Marehan took from Wardheer zone


Makaahiil on the immediate West, the Bah Geri south west where Shabelle was crossed over Khelaafo and the Awlyahan immediate south of the Shabelle and in Afdheer.

Notice also, this is where the HAWIYE GUGUNDHABE joined the migration led by Marehan.

Or did.you never make the connection it is ONLY THE HAWIYE ON THE PATH WHERE MAREHAN GALTI CROSSED THE SHABELLE AR KHELAAFO that became the Hawiye of NFD? Degoodi, Muralle, and Ajuuraan.

So yes dude, false mythology doesn't work today.

The records, the ecological and environmental and even livelihood evidence NCLUDING the basis of who as a group is evem reflected in the migration all support a much more accurate understanding of this history.

It helps to have then actual intelligence reports that say the moment, date, and place the first largest migration of Cawlyahan was received crossing the Jubba by the British AFTER they took over control of the land.

That shows you just how false the mythology underpinning some of your grievances on tbis issur are.

Wallahi the truth is, Ogaadeen has alot to be greatful and thankful for towards Marehan.
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TeeriReturns wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:41 am
Saxib HG not only kicked tou from Mudug vut also from Shilabo where your kins reside.

Wasnt the war between HG vs Liyu Polis started because of mx?
Secondly most of Mx in Gedo like your folks moved from Shilabo,Wardheer,Nageyle etc.

You guys were living and still live in pockets all across the Ogaden and oromia.
Some living with Bah Geri,Makahil,Malinguur.Its not like majority of mx came from.Mudug. Most of you guys left in 1977 and never settled in refugee camps like the rest of refugees of 1977.

HG are still in dusamareeb and no one left their land.

Your family used to live with bah geri in shilabo and not even mudug.Ina Masaale also came from Shilaabo.MSB from Shilaabo.Its like you majority of you guys that propagate anti ogaden hate were living as magaan under Ogaden.I wouldnt be suprised id Barre Hiraale came from the Ogaden.
I am not even motivated to dignify the relevance of this pile of quackery.
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Gubbet wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:01 am
TeeriReturns wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:41 am
Saxib HG not only kicked tou from Mudug vut also from Shilabo where your kins reside.

Wasnt the war between HG vs Liyu Polis started because of mx?
Secondly most of Mx in Gedo like your folks moved from Shilabo,Wardheer,Nageyle etc.

You guys were living and still live in pockets all across the Ogaden and oromia.
Some living with Bah Geri,Makahil,Malinguur.Its not like majority of mx came from.Mudug. Most of you guys left in 1977 and never settled in refugee camps like the rest of refugees of 1977.

HG are still in dusamareeb and no one left their land.

Your family used to live with bah geri in shilabo and not even mudug.Ina Masaale also came from Shilaabo.MSB from Shilaabo.Its like you majority of you guys that propagate anti ogaden hate were living as magaan under Ogaden.I wouldnt be suprised id Barre Hiraale came from the Ogaden.
I am not even motivated to dignify the relevance of this pile of quackery.
Did I hit a nerve?
What.I am saying is your kinds who lived for generations amongst ogaden as magan aka protection are the most far right anti ogaden extremists.
Just look at MSB no one in history deliver3d a bigger blow to the ogaden than MSB even the British under the Sayid or xabashi.
MsB devised a strategy that created refugees of 1977 at the same time pitted ogadens in NFD against Kenyan govt while he displaced and used the military and Talxa militia to rape,loot and burn villages from Bardheere to Kismaayo and even confisicated more than 10k of livestock from the locals.

This was the final straw that broke the back of the camel which saw Ogaden leave the MOD alliance and we know it ended in Nigeria.

Seems like your kind keep pushing their lack.Farmajo having the same bad apples of kacanka advising him to be like Netanyahu.
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Gubbet wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:44 pm
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:27 pm
sahal80 wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:23 pm :lol: like usual no one has addressed the matter at hand except Murax f-king hypocrites nacalatullahi calaa mooge worshippers who watch Info news blaming other leaders like hassan sheikh GFOH kashmirs

im mucalim on weekends i just saw how they hijacked my thread with their bullshit

Silence is strategy laangaab, why feed your parasite ass any info? You don’t need to know. Why is always laangaabs who annoy us the most and once we respond, MXs are bullies and ganging up. Don’t start shit, there won’t be shit.


:lol: :lol:
It is the weirdest thing I have ever seen. He is talking about MAREEXAAN issues and he is OWNING the topic to MAREEXAAN.

Waa nin isku ciriiriyay kurdi dad Islaameed.

Macnaheedu so maaha markaas KURSIGAAS buu qadariyaa oo rabaa?

War ilaahay ummada Islaameed nasab buu siiyey. Nin waliboo taada ku ekoow. Dadka Islaameed haku qabsan tooda iskaba daa inaad ka xigaatid. Taads haku deeqdo ta ummada Islaameedne amaan sii.
He’s frustrated that his style of politics isn’t connecting in the modern era. You notice it stems from the backlash HSM got? Lmao this is a new era and generation. He needs to stick being a macalin.
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Gubbet, that's surprising. I always believed it was the tolomoge who were the first to migrate and were magan to wardei and RX before being joined by mx. Now I get why mx didn't bother going into lower jubba and getting into the sea.
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Sbashi wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:27 am Gubbet, that's surprising. I always believed it was the tolomoge who were the first to migrate and were magan to wardei and RX before being joined by mx. Now I get why mx didn't bother going into lower jubba and getting into the sea.
Its actually the inverse ironically and what was feeding the misinformation is actually a reflection of the opposite. This is why context is important.
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This is why even today 0% of Marehan Jubba are cattle cultured to this day while the cattle culture of the Ogaden becomes almost 100% the further south you go.
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It was all made possible by the Marehan migration down the Shabelle from Harar.

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Our Talomoge firends hitched a ride

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There is no mx in lower Jubba.
Keep dreaming.Do you want to tell me that mx took a british ship to Ohio in 1890s too.
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Sbashi wrote: Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:27 am Gubbet, that's surprising. I always believed it was the tolomoge who were the first to migrate and were magan to wardei and RX before being joined by mx. Now I get why mx didn't bother going into lower jubba and getting into the sea.
Mx majority came with msb.
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