The current dc of cabdicasiis is MJ. Why does it matter to you if the next DC is MJ or MX?
Do you think I differentiate btwn MJ n MX?
MJ getting dc only happened during Farmaajo's term. Nepotism
You sound like you do sxb. Anyway did you listen to what the uurmidig guys where saying?
They basically where chastising other mx in xamar. The said "we where here for generations and won't accept another mx that just recently came from jubbaland/mudug to take our seat"
So the audience was towards other mx. I don't know the information they know, perhaps they have xog that the next dc is mx and they want the dc to be uurmidig.
Time will tell.
Sxb what I am carefully monitoring is who the next DC will be. HSM and Madaale are stupid people who rather loose their support base because of meaningless stunts "somali heshiis ah".
They already pissed Muuse suudi and mp Xaadole who are the 2 people HSM seeked protection from in 2021. On top of that they let Ali yare remain as the deputy mayor. To show "good will". f-king disastrous moves.
The whole government is hawiye and particular abgaal. None of the ministers have any actual power. The MJ foreign minister has zero power. There is a hawiye shadow minister that controls the ministry. Same for the mx security minister he holds zero power.
Even the the guy culusow recently named as gudomiiyha taya dhowrka controls nothing. Culusows daughter in law controls it.
So sxb you have everything in the government, you eat from every direction and have monopolised the whole government and your still complaining?
Your complaining about subclans within abgaal not getting anything when the rest of somaliweyn are marti on the whole government.
Hassan Sh promoted and made a benadir mayor out of the guy who introduced us to "Farmaajo waa Mareexaan."
That decision by Hassan Sh is so egregious and so inherently anti-reconciliatory---and I don't mean the little r after every new government kumbaya thing; I mean the big post 1991 and clan factionalism big "R"---and so morally and ethically indefensible for a country with Somalia's experience the last 3 decades and fundamentally degraded in judgement---that as God is my witness, I can write a simple public letter on it right this second to pass around to Somali media capable of stopping on its tracks the entire political debate. Perhaps even capable enough of shaming HSM without requiring public moral idignation
But the fact he actually did it is why i find need to address it unworthy of my time His leadership is fundamentally dysfunctional and irrelevant.
When the Brain comes at you, that letter should be written.
When Pinkie comes at you, to waste energy writing it is a joke on you
Lol @ HSM is showing good will to Marehan. In my entire personal observation of Somali politics, I have never seen a national Somali leader display the level of intentional "xumaan" HSM has directed at Marehan since Abdullahi Yusuf (AUN) and HG Maxakiim. To this day, HG particularly Cayr view any mention of Abdullahi Yusuf around them as an act of aggression (this is just a reality) and I have already foreseen, it will not be long when any Marehan anywhere views mention of HSM around them as an "act of aggression" against them. Ma calaacalno sxb, and we coldly ans dispassionately keep our grievances to ourselves. If Farmaajo had shown you 1% of what HSM has shown us wax dhan bay ahaan lahayd, so to see your continued prepossession of airs and sense of being outraged is remarkably unflattering on you.
mahoka wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:21 pm
The problem for the darod tribe is you can’t claim to be a big tribe if you can’t even build a decent sized city. Mogadishu is hawiye and raxanweyn city, no point crying about it, if we were to hold democratic elections tomorrow only hawiye/raxanweyn candidates would come out as winners. the question should be how can you develop your own regions so you don’t have to beg for a slice of Mogadishu. Bosaso is the largest darod town, I suggest all darod to come together and build up bosaso
Ps I find it really funny how every darod claims to have been born in Mogadishu,kkkkkkkkk this is not possible at all lol
I’ll ignore your nonsense about bossaso.
Any Somali born before 1990, 70% were born in Mogadishu. I bet even your qaldaan cousins like khalid and theyusuf were born there.
Hawiye have won the city politically because they are armed compared to others, it doesn’t make them outright majority.
Reer PL have already gaven up on that godforsaken city, but if it’s going to stay the capital of Somalia and get the benefits of being the capital, then it’s representation should either be 4.5 or local elections.
I don’t think the abgal want local elections because the truth of their numbers will be revealed. Local elections would also mean the moryaans who make life difficult for the average citizen there would be thrown out of power.
mahoka wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:21 pm
The problem for the darod tribe is you can’t claim to be a big tribe if you can’t even build a decent sized city. Mogadishu is hawiye and raxanweyn city, no point crying about it, if we were to hold democratic elections tomorrow only hawiye/raxanweyn candidates would come out as winners. the question should be how can you develop your own regions so you don’t have to beg for a slice of Mogadishu. Bosaso is the largest darod town, I suggest all darod to come together and build up bosaso
Ps I find it really funny how every darod claims to have been born in Mogadishu,kkkkkkkkk this is not possible at all lol
I’ll ignore your nonsense about bossaso.
Any Somali born before 1990, 70% were born in Mogadishu. I bet even your qaldaan cousins like khalid and theyusuf were born there.
Hawiye have won the city politically because they are armed compared to others, it doesn’t make them outright majority.
Reer PL have already gaven up on that godforsaken city, but if it’s going to stay the capital of Somalia and get the benefits of being the capital, then it’s representation should either be 4.5 or local elections.
I don’t think the abgal want local elections because the truth of their numbers will be revealed. Local elections would also mean the moryaans who make life difficult for the average citizen there would be thrown out of power.
Come on sxb, literally every darod both online and irl claims to have been born in Mogadishu, even their parents/grandparents etc were apparently born there, this is just physically impossible lol. Isaaq were not born there but a lot moved there for business, education gov jobs etc- if you speak to isaaq people who went Mogadishu pre war, they will tell you I went there as a young man for education or gov job, you won’t hear them claim to be born there
The lie you want to propagate is that Mogadishu is a shared city since it’s the capital, this just don’t make sense - London is inhabited by cockney people and everyone will say this but all British people can live and work there. You will never hear all Welsh people say we were born in London or our parents/grandparents were born there.
Also you ignored my point about if there were free democratic elections (1m1v) Mogadishu councillors and mayor would be hawiye/rx - this is simply a point no one can refute
mahoka wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:21 pm
The problem for the darod tribe is you can’t claim to be a big tribe if you can’t even build a decent sized city. Mogadishu is hawiye and raxanweyn city, no point crying about it, if we were to hold democratic elections tomorrow only hawiye/raxanweyn candidates would come out as winners. the question should be how can you develop your own regions so you don’t have to beg for a slice of Mogadishu. Bosaso is the largest darod town, I suggest all darod to come together and build up bosaso
Ps I find it really funny how every darod claims to have been born in Mogadishu,kkkkkkkkk this is not possible at all lol
I’ll ignore your nonsense about bossaso.
Any Somali born before 1990, 70% were born in Mogadishu. I bet even your qaldaan cousins like khalid and theyusuf were born there.
Hawiye have won the city politically because they are armed compared to others, it doesn’t make them outright majority.
Reer PL have already gaven up on that godforsaken city, but if it’s going to stay the capital of Somalia and get the benefits of being the capital, then it’s representation should either be 4.5 or local elections.
I don’t think the abgal want local elections because the truth of their numbers will be revealed. Local elections would also mean the moryaans who make life difficult for the average citizen there would be thrown out of power.
Come on sxb, literally every darod both online and irl claims to have been born in Mogadishu, even their parents/grandparents etc were apparently born there, this is just physically impossible lol. Isaaq were not born there but a lot moved there for business, education gov jobs etc- if you speak to isaaq people who went Mogadishu pre war, they will tell you I went there as a young man for education or gov job, you won’t hear them claim to be born there
The lie you want to propagate is that Mogadishu is a shared city since it’s the capital, this just don’t make sense - London is inhabited by cockney people and everyone will say this but all British people can live and work there. You will never hear all Welsh people say we were born in London or our parents/grandparents were born there.
Also you ignored my point about if there were free democratic elections (1m1v) Mogadishu councillors and mayor would be hawiye/rx - this is simply a point no one can refute
I’ll take your word for it about Isaaq migration to muqdisho because I don’t know. But majerteen have been in Mogadishu since the 40’s, majority of those who built syl and government in the 60’s were majerteen. So yes, there are some Darod who are more native reer Mogadishu than hawiye. MJ have largely abandoned or sold their properties in Mogadishu
As for your point about elections. How can I refute something that has never happened. If you give people the choice, they wouldn’t chose former moryans like filish as their governors even if they share clan with them.
I would like to see reer benadiri as mayors, those people are business minded and work hard. The capital would thrive under them.
They have been there before the 40's. Majerteen have been in Mogadishu when it was just Hamarweine and Shingani. Majeerteen are old Rer Muqdisho, before even many "Hiraab" groups. People confuse two things in Somalia. Length vs width. Are Majerteen, like really all of Darod, substantial population of Mogadishu today? No, because we understand post 1991 reconfigured "width." But length, Majerteen have a historical presence in Mogadishu that can compete with any non-Benadiri group other than Wacbuudhan. Majerteen had Bender Qaasim and Bender Maraayaha and Bender Ziyaada (Qaw), if you hear a Somali with historical equity in the Comoros, it was probably Majerteen. Notice even the Somali faradheers with claim to long association in Xamar, it is entirely something based on geographical proximity. Majerteen were and probably still are, with the exception of the quick get rich scheme pirates of Harardheere, the only faradheer with a seafaring history. Yet in Wikipedia we have literal recreation about "Ajuuraan seafarimg prowess" when really any Somali faradheer with any historically attested to documented sea "presence" in history besides Rer Berbera in the vicinity of the small macmal ports between Bulahar-Berbera-Sayla, is Majeerteen. In fact, if Marehan and Ogaden made a name for themselves in how achieving the most fundamental realization of modern land pioneering, getting to the Jubba with their camel, the Majerteen sea pioneering getting to Kismaayo on their dhaws was just as historically exceptional. That was not a new development and Majerteen had long gotten to Xamarweyne before Kismaayo.
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P.s. For anyone who might take issue, please read my continued clarification of "faradheer" Somali. I am not taking about the Benadirir or Bajuni or the Rer Maanyo Tunni or really any of the groups we recognize as historically forming a part of the Swahili coast culture. I mean boats are so much them, it is comparable to the camel for the Faradheer. Majeerteen then are notable for being the only faradheer to have shown historical exceptionalism on water.
Speaking for Marehan, we have always hated water and we still do. We don't even like the two rivers we plopped ourself beside right at their fork (Jubba and Daua). Heck even if we like Kismaayo so much today, notice our main center of gravity (Guulwade) is the part of Kismaayo furthest from water, being the most interior of any part of town.
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Absolutely. But lately there seems to be some historical revisionsm about darod presence in Mogadishu. No one is denying the political reality of mogadisho today, but history is not something you can fake.
Read that as how legitimate and unassailable the equity you are due in Mogadishu is considered intrinsically and internally by even those who would be most motivated want to cement the post-1991 context.
Sxb, I love history and I always try to draw important insights from understanding.
I can tell you, the immediate sense of urgency may have been taken care of by the almost mechanical separating and regrouping that took place in the 1 in a 1000 year event that was 1991---which feeds the lul whose quiet stillness makes the least attentive imagine a conclusion had taken place......but what they imagine as conclusion is not closure. Whenever, that country called Somalia is most closest to the authentic settlement of conflict to rise anew, Darod equity in Mogadishu will be adjudicated to be "the" closure that closes the door on the civil war.
I can even imagine as an history buff right in front of me now as if it were happening this moment, the force of the hurricane and how strongly animating restorative justice will feel is directly inverse to how quiet and still this moment in the eye of the hurrican is.
It unsettles a lot of people who genuinely want to "will" conclusion of this subject. So I don't read much into what they say per see, but why they choose to feel that way.
Can't wait for a local election. To humble Darods. Who wont even amount to 5%. Biggest surprise will be the RX giants. Wouldnt be surprised if they the largest kn Xamar after Mudulood.
That's fake sxb, including the 1931 blah census and all the irrelevant numbers. There has never been true numbers in Somalia. For example, even when the colonists did "numbers" it was always coinciding with trying to deemphasize an expression of defiance.
I am not going to argue this point, these are things that require handling with care.
But I will tell you the numbers games are still attempted with manipulation and will continue to be vulnerable to it until a universally affirmed process is allowed to project in front of all of us collectively..
Tusaale, I will give you 2 examples right in this modern era where I contributed someon input that was considered compelling enough to be adopted by the UNOCHA.
Marehan. Particularly Caabudwaaq district.
You will notice the old pre-2012 famine UN numbers about Caabudwaaq in particular and central Somalia are very different to the post-2012 famine number.
Before the 2012 famine, all the numbers were shit. Literally politically engineered with bias by the Somali gatekeepers..under the Western UN staff who them because they weren't really being held accountable and didn't care, just stamped the Somali gatekeepers info. Somali is in civil war and we know the civil war was fought on so many terrain. Well Galgaduud has 4/5 districts named to Hawiye and in particular post-1991 Mogadishu formed large NGO gatekeep class contracted by the Un groups in 90's and 2000's.
So the majority districts of the region and the gatekeepers in Mogadishu happened to reflect each other.
Then the nice, interesting issue of the BORDER at Caabudwaaq. Yipee.
So basically, even if Somali region/Ogaden has been historically disputed and even fought over and even if the official demarcation has never been attempted by Ethiopia and Somalia---all of that ia different to the fact there is "no" dispute surrounding Caabudwaaq or for miles west of Caabudwaaq to Bali Abdi Ali. Even in civil war Somalia, whem the nation imploded, Ethiopia never tried to "dispute" Caabudwaaq, BECAUSE IT CONSIDERS IT PART OF SOMALIA.
But that important understanding betweem Ethiopia and Somalia, really the only one that even matters, we know is projected rather interestingly by Google Maps, an understanding completely unimportant and irrelevant to the one between Somalia and Ethiopia who are the entities who would be contesting if they had a dispute correct?
Well, thenpre-2012 fake numbers without supervision or oversight or protocol would play "games" with Caabudwaaq's numbers based on what irrelevant google map reflect about "Somalia's boundary."
So basically they would choose the arbitrary google boundary and not the Somalia's boundary as 1.) Presented by Somalia historically 2) and just as important never disputed by Ethiopia and 3.)recognized by the international community including officially by the UN agency they were working for.
Caabudwaaq town up to Bali Abdi Ali is Somalia. Somalia mot only claims it, but has always had the administration of it. Just as importantly Ethiopia has settled concordance with that understanding with a dispute never being intiated by Ethiopia. Even if they finally had a chance to play a sneaky and escalated game after 1991, they never did anything to call into question their position that Caabudwaaq area and all its immediate settlements upto Bali Abdi Ali are officially Somalia, etc etc etc
Why would these people use google maps?
The answer is simple and nefarious.
It was to provide a "defensible" MANIPULATION of the numbers.
So you can splice and dice actual Abudwaaq town choosing which parts you wanted AND WHOLE SALE DISCARDING ENTIRE SUBURBS AND VILLAGES OF CAABUDWAAQ LIKE LIBAAXSEEXAY, ARIADAYS, SHIILOMADOOW EVEN BALANBALE TOWN.
So the Caabudwaaq you look at satellite imagery is (you know I am not being spiteful if obviously mild unscientifically) as big as Dhusamareb, Guriceel, Ceel Dheer, AND Ceel-Buur together.......somehow ends up 1/3 the size of Ceel-Dheer with the fake, manipulated "est" numbers next to each to each other.
And Caabudwaaq even has the biggest villages in Galgaduud. The town of Balanbale is bigger than Ceel-dheer and Ceel-Buur together. Balanbale town is as big as "Dhusa Mareb" town. I have 0 desire for insult on any of this and you should read it as rough comparison but entirely legitimate. The Wagardhac village of Dhabad is the same size as Hobyo. The Rer Siyaad Hussein village of Bangeelle is the same size as Mareerguur iyo Baxdo. Even remember the Dir Village of Xeraale is bigger than Gelinsoor iyo Badiiradley iyo Wabxo iyo Galhareeri.
Yacni, Caabudwaaq is not 1/3 of Ceel Dheer but is actually comparable to 1/3 of Galmudug hadii laysku daro and this evidence not the argument but the evidence for a grotesque manipulation, intentionally undercounting Caabudwaaq was so compelling, a commendation was the response even. Thank you for making us more accurate ba loola jawaabay not even "we will look into this."
Marka sxb, I know very, very, very clearly ignoble and entirely sundry history of the numbers game in Somalia..
K would encourage you to always refrain from applying as a standard or attempting to use any population figures concerning Somalis that contain "digits."
That is immediately delegitimizimg being able to tell you with 100% certainly there has never been the existence of a count of Somali communities particularly by clan that was not taitnted by a methodology that could not survive the test of political bias or manipulation or both.
You have to admire Hawiye people or feel sorry for them. They are having to justify that their city actually belongs to them. If this was Isaaq the reply would be it belongs to me today, deal with it. A completely different mindset. This mindset needs to evolve and change. You guys need to understand current possession is ownership. You think this Marexaan guy fighting over Kismayo owned Kismayo, it was owned by others and his took it by force...
skywalker25 wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:26 am
You have to admire Hawiye people or feel sorry for them. They are having to justify that their city actually belongs to them. If this was Isaaq the reply would be it belongs to me today, deal with it. A completely different mindset. This mindset needs to evolve and change. You guys need to understand current possession is ownership. You think this Marexaan guy fighting over Kismayo owned Kismayo, it was owned by others and his took it by force...
If there was a need to justify anything they wouldn't yap to move the capital everyday. Anyone can pick up a book and read the facts or visit there to see the reality on the ground. The goal is to have deegaan doorasho and every district, town and city can elect its officials to end 4.5 and guestimate power sharing.
