Islamic Republic of Somalia: Feasible?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabman
Calling the Somaliland government a warlord government is absolutely inaccurrate and you know it. Furthermore, the sale of alcohol there is severely constrained and prostitution is illegal - but tolerated in some quarters. It is not a "secular" government as its laws are clearly based on Shari'a. Your interpretations are fully misleading.

[Sakhraan]

Islamic state kulahaa.,hell noooooooooooooooooooooo

Somalia waa iney Turkiga ku dayataa, diinta iyo maamulka waa in lagala duwaa . diintu waa wax shaqsiga iyo Ilaahii abuurtay u dhaxaysa.



Sakhraan,Seeker of truth & justice.

[biko]

[quote="The Arabman"]"like you did when you made that unnecesary comment about somaliland and its protitution and alcohol problem"

That wasn't "unnecesary comment." Fact of matter is, the breakaway Waqooyi region is ruled by secular warlords with a very secular system. Since most of the brothers and sisters of that region are conservatives, it was fitting for me to highlight what the secular warlords of that region are doing to tempt the conservative brothers and sisters.[/quote]
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if the excuse wasnt sad it would have been laughable.

its realy interesting that from what the people in somaliland have achieved the last 16 years, you only managed to pick prostitution and alcohol and secularism. i think it would have been more fitting if you gave credit where its due.

somaliland is stable country and has been for the last 16 years.
its not a islamic state, but then againg its not ridden with barbaric behaviours of all kinds.

stability is the most important thing and what people in somalia most crave for. all this islamic drama is still new and hasnt even got off the ground and yet you have people with hiden agendas talking about " lets take the courts to somaliland" pretending to have the best interest of somaliland at heart, when in reality they are drevin by a burning sensation that has nothing to do with islam or muslim unity .

[The Arabman]

"somaliland is stable country"

Incorrect. Definition of country:

1.
a. A nation or state.
b. The territory of a nation or state; land.
c. The people of a nation or state; populace.

A country named "Somaliland" doesn't exist; only Somalia. Proof:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html

"...but then againg its not ridden with barbaric behaviours of all kinds."

Now, such a state that is not "not ridden with barbaric behaviours of all kinds" would be a Utopian state. At the very least, the case of the girl who was arrested and raped by the secular security guards is considered a barbaric behavior; and that contradicts your statement.

[biko]

[quote="The Arabman"]"somaliland is stable country"

Incorrect. Definition of country:

1.
a. A nation or state.
b. The territory of a nation or state; land.
c. The people of a nation or state; populace.

A country named "Somaliland" doesn't exist; only Somalia. Proof:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
http://www.un.org/Overview/unmember.html[/quote]
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whether you call it country, state or terotory is irelevant to what we are talkinmg about. the international community might not have recognized somaliland but those concerned and who matter the most know exactly what time it is. and thats the people who live in that great land that had the missfortune to be associated with savages claiming to be born-again muslims.

a country called somaliland wont be find in your factbook, but you and i know exactly what and where somaliland is.

your comment above and the link you provided speak volume above all your islamic talk. it also shows your true colour.

[biko]

"Now, such a state that is not "not ridden with barbaric behaviours of all kinds" would be a Utopian state. At the very least, the case of the girl who was arrested and raped by the secular security guards is considered a barbaric behavior; and that contradicts your statement."

again geting cough-up with miner details and old tragic stories.


unbelievable.

[The Arabman]

"miner details and old tragic stories"

An innocent teenage girl, who happens to be muhajibah, was arrested for the wrong reasons, was barbarously beaten and raped by many grownup secular guards. It happened a few years ago. It was condemned by a number of international organizations. I wouldn't call that "miner details and old tragic stories."

[biko]

well i remember clearly stating my point and how i felt about what happened to that girl. and as sad as that story is, you have to give it to the somalilanders for been more closer to allah than those goat fockers in the holly land siping unholly water and geting tipsy at the door steps of the kacba.

again, geting cough-up with miner details.

unbelievabl.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabman
If you want to argue that the Somaliland state is not legitimate, not recognized by the IC, and therefore required to join a future state of Somalia if and when one is established, fine. But please stop making fallacious arguments reference its form of government and the morality of its legal system. Somaliland has made huge strides considering its circimstances.

[The Arabman]

"...stop making fallacious arguments reference its form of government and the morality of its legal system."

Fact of matter is, the Waqooyi region is controlled by secular leaders. Those leaders openly cooperate with Ethiopia and the US to subdue the aspirations of Islamists (within Waqooyi and other regions). Those leaders believe in the concept: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." There already are rumors of those leaders cooperating with the secular warlord Abdullahi Yusuf (once before sworn enemies). Secular leaders cannot be trusted and represent a threat to Islamist. That's where my concerns about secular warlords lie.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Fact of matter is, the Waqooyi region is controlled by secular leaders. Those leaders openly cooperate with Ethiopia and the US to subdue the aspirations of Islamists (within Waqooyi and other regions). "

And that's how it should be. That's how I hope it is in Southern Somalia alsol Fact of he mater is, secular government is the only form that is legitimate.

[The Arabman]

"Fact of he mater is, secular government is the only form that is legitimate."

Says uncle Sam, enforced with force, violence, and 500/1000 lbs aerial bombs.

[Demure]

Arabman, genuine Islamic state is exactly what it means. Not a qabiil motivated state, simple as that. I have very good sources in Mogadishu and although Sheikh Shariif appears to know what he is doing, the other wadaado around him are the devils in disguise and should not be trusted.

Also the girl you mentioned raped in Somaliland wasn't the reason qabiil? and not because she was muxajaba and the guards were supposedly secular?... Hijaab has not stopped even the "wadaados" from raping innocent girls, just because it didn't make it to the news doesn't mean it doesn't happen or continue to happen.

[Unclebin]

One day somali will have an islamic gov't inshallah. But firstly we need to establish rule of law in some way or form. People won't just jump ship to the fake wadaado like indhaacade and his henchmen. Furthermore however much I don't like the fact that "SOMALILAND" is attempting to secede fully. However they have trully made strides unlike people in the benadir area which has been engulfed with violence for 15 straight years.

Secular gov't work too establish semblances of rule of law but everybody knows regardless of how secular a gov't of somalia is, it will always have emphasis on islam and would tend to sway more towards islamic laws in cases of importance rather then say traditional western jurisprudence.

[The Arabman]

"...simple as that."

You didn't cite an example of such an Islamic state. I guess you don't have an example state.

"Hijaab has not stopped even the "wadaados" from raping innocent girls"

I disagree. A wadaad knows raping innocent girls is an abominable and heinous act. Therefore, no wadaad would do something like that. Of course, anyone could grow beards, dress or disguise as a wadaad-- but for the untrained eyes, for those who have little interaction with people, and your eyes would let you think such a person is wadaad. You know a wadaad by actions; not by looks.