Origins of Humans

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:51 am

Karkaar

Good that we are clear on that...and I am not necc. contending that Adam was not necc. a single man...I am just looking at the whole picture in terms of Qs I, You or other muslims or non muslims might have..

So I came across these articles in regard to these matters and I am trying to get to the bottom of it...while perhaps trying to see other ppl's point of view while aslo tryin to satisfy my curiosity in some shady areas..

I will be glad to share these things with the rest of you..

karkaar · Post by **karkaar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:53 am

muslim man let's not make the matter a laughing matter,sxb cause we're all human and make mistakes.....Eventhough it's not kewl to make false lies about the quran...

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:55 am

^^Karkaar I agree with you..

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:58 am

"O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, Who created you from a single person (nafsin- waahidah),"

Muslim

Firs of all you have to be open minded not to believe what you read on the internet is the actual and most correct meaning/tafsiir of the quran..

Second..Nafs and person are not the same...Nafs is life ...form of life...ok a sincere question..:

How do you know that that form of life was meant as the first living cell that God created as suppose to Adam???

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:02 pm

Nafs could also be the personality...the Ego.

there is the body, the nafs and the ruux.

PragmaticGal · Post by **PragmaticGal** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:11 pm

[quote="Cawar"]How do you know that that form of life was meant as the first living cell that God created as suppose to Adam???[/quote]

Is there any evidence for that? The Prophet obviously knew that his followers were taking the literal interpretion as in the Bible. Wouldn't he have corrected them? There should be other less ambiguous passages in the Qur'an, or a Hadith that explains the passage. I find it hard to believe that the Qur'an mentions what kind of tree Mary sat under while in labor, but not something as startling and meaningful as where we come from.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:12 pm

Finally someone with a sense of understanding..

You are right Gurey...it could be.
But exploring the meaning of the Quran is what allowed many Ullemma/scients to come up with the exact meaning of some verses that were though of differently before such as the stages of the human Embryo..but once you touch the subject you are regarded by Wahabis..you know how.

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:17 pm

you could get away with that in the past Cawar...
but today we have a priesthood.

ofcourse ijtihaad should be handled with caution, otherwise you could end up unintended consequences like the shia have.

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:18 pm

Prag

You have to consider the fact that ppl at the time wouldnt understand certain things even if the prophet explained to them..
Or maybe he himself wouldnt understand..

It was left for the incoming generations to explore..

Heck even the so called Gaalo and scientists wouldnt understand the benefits of circumcision up untill recently..
So it was more important in my oppinion for those Arabs to be disciplined so that they can spread the faith than to focus on the details.

muslim-man · Post by **muslim-man** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:21 pm

[quote="Cawar"]
How do you know that that form of life was meant as the first living cell that God created as suppose to Adam???[/quote]

Adam was the first human created & there is plenty of evidence both in the Qur'an & ahadeeths to support it.

God had created other creatures before Adam, but this verse reffers to the creation of humans as is clear "O mankind we have....."

Furthermore, Allah created Adam with his own hands & shaped him in his image, teaching him all the knowledge humanity would ever need.

Adam was made from clay gathered from the four corners of the earth, that is why you have people of different colors, physical appearance, etc. .

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:24 pm

mm

I know what your saying..this is the tafsiir i was told throughout my life..and I do believe in it...

However...and like I said earlier...this book is not telling you that this version is true or false...its just saying with logical explanations that there might be more than one strict meaning to certain verses...and thats all.

muslim-man · Post by **muslim-man** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:24 pm

"We have honored the children of Adam, provided them with transport on land and sea, given them for sustenance things good and pure, and conferred on them special favors above a great part of Our Creation." (Qur'an 17:70)

There is no mention of other Adamites in this verse. The verse talks about a single man & then his descendents/children.

muslim-man · Post by **muslim-man** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:27 pm

Cawar,

I understand you, Allah know what the exact interpretation of that particular verse is, but what about all the other verses, hadeeths, etc. that support the verse that says Adam was the first human?

Cawar · Post by **Cawar** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:40 pm

mm

Ok lets say Adam was the first human...why are you so stuck only on that point???

Do you also believe Xawa was created from his rib?? If not then how...do you know??

Ok...How do you know that they actually lived in the real Jannah and not in another earthly Jannah?? and If they did live in the real Jannah does that mean they were Immortals?? it should mean right??

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:42 pm

isnt immortality connected with Jannah.

when you are cast out of jannah you are no longer immortal

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